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No Hawks, No Wulffs, No Lambs Please!!!

The Montana Grizzlies Football program finds itself in one of the most unique college football coaching searches in quite a long time. Not only will their next coach inherit a team plagued with off-the-field allegations regarding the most tawdry of crimes, but he will also be forced to take over a team and install his own philosophy and style of play without a single spring practice with his new players. Coming to Missoula, he will find a fan base that has gone to the National Championship Game more than half a dozen times in the last fifteen years. The learning curve and patience for a new coach will be very, very small.

The rumor mills have already started buzzing, but unfortunately the names that are being presented are recycled coaches coming off horrendous stints at previous schools, unproven assistants unprepared to take over such a volatile situation, or FCS head coaches looking to make a lateral move. For a university that promised to improve its “integrity,” nothing exudes integrity less than a coach leaving his players behind at the end of spring practice in order to take a career step sideways.

Dan Hawkins has been put out there as the fan favorite to be the next Montana head coach, but nothing can be further from the truth. Any real fan of college football in the state of Montana knows that the majority of the success Hawkins had at Boise State can be attributed to his young assistant who kept bringing in great recruits and revolutionizing their offense. Maybe you heard of him before: Chris Peterson.

Yes. Dan Hawkins has experience taking over a trouble program riddled with accusations of player misconduct and sexual abuse. Unfortunately, that experience was simply bad. Following an infamous “Ten wins, no excuses” boast to start a season, he finished with just 3 wins. His 28 point fourth quarter collapse against Kansas was the worst in the 131 years of Colorado Football, topped only by the fact that Hawkins, who was seemingly a lame duck coach, allowed his quarterback (and son), despite a 28 point lead to keep airing it out in a flagrant attempt to break Colorado’s all-time passing record.

Given Paul Wulff’s experience at Eastern Washington and the Big Sky Conference, it can be expected for him to be a candidate for the Montana job. But he went a lackluster 53-40 at Eastern Washington and didn’t win a single playoff game during his time there. In the FCS, you can’t make it to the National Championship if you can’t coach playoff football.

Wulff surely did not add to his coaching acumen at Washington State. He won just nine games in 49 tries and his .184 winning percentage is the worst ever in the history of Washington State Football.

A dark horse but a name I’ve heard mentioned on more than one occasion has been Ed Lamb of Southern Utah. It would be a lateral move for Lamb (read above again about integrity) and at best, you’d get a coach that is 18-20 in his career and one who never won more than six games in a season.

Neither a Hawk, a Wulff, or Lamb is the right fit to lead the Grizzlies.
 
AnakinGrizwalker said:
Given Paul Wulff’s experience at Eastern Washington and the Big Sky Conference, it can be expected for him to be a candidate for the Montana job. But he went a lackluster 53-40 at Eastern Washington and didn’t win a single playoff game during his time there. In the FCS, you can’t make it to the National Championship if you can’t coach playoff football.

Wulff's team did knock off the No. 1 playoff seed and No. 1 ranked team in the country on the road in 2004. And he did recruit pretty good QBs. One who won the Walter Payton Award. You know, the award Montana won 17 years ago.

And he did manage to beat that one team a couple times, the Grizzlies.
 
What about the way Wulff left EWU and the NCAA sanctions his coaching brought to EWU

I thought integrity mattered?
 
AnakinGrizwalker said:
The Montana Grizzlies Football program finds itself in one of the most unique college football coaching searches in quite a long time. Not only will their next coach inherit a team plagued with off-the-field allegations regarding the most tawdry of crimes, but he will also be forced to take over a team and install his own philosophy and style of play without a single spring practice with his new players. Coming to Missoula, he will find a fan base that has gone to the National Championship Game more than half a dozen times in the last fifteen years. The learning curve and patience for a new coach will be very, very small.

The rumor mills have already started buzzing, but unfortunately the names that are being presented are recycled coaches coming off horrendous stints at previous schools, unproven assistants unprepared to take over such a volatile situation, or FCS head coaches looking to make a lateral move. For a university that promised to improve its “integrity,” nothing exudes integrity less than a coach leaving his players behind at the end of spring practice in order to take a career step sideways.

Dan Hawkins has been put out there as the fan favorite to be the next Montana head coach, but nothing can be further from the truth. Any real fan of college football in the state of Montana knows that the majority of the success Hawkins had at Boise State can be attributed to his young assistant who kept bringing in great recruits and revolutionizing their offense. Maybe you heard of him before: Chris Peterson.

Yes. Dan Hawkins has experience taking over a trouble program riddled with accusations of player misconduct and sexual abuse. Unfortunately, that experience was simply bad. Following an infamous “Ten wins, no excuses” boast to start a season, he finished with just 3 wins. His 28 point fourth quarter collapse against Kansas was the worst in the 131 years of Colorado Football, topped only by the fact that Hawkins, who was seemingly a lame duck coach, allowed his quarterback (and son), despite a 28 point lead to keep airing it out in a flagrant attempt to break Colorado’s all-time passing record.

Given Paul Wulff’s experience at Eastern Washington and the Big Sky Conference, it can be expected for him to be a candidate for the Montana job. But he went a lackluster 53-40 at Eastern Washington and didn’t win a single playoff game during his time there. In the FCS, you can’t make it to the National Championship if you can’t coach playoff football.

Wulff surely did not add to his coaching acumen at Washington State. He won just nine games in 49 tries and his .184 winning percentage is the worst ever in the history of Washington State Football.

A dark horse but a name I’ve heard mentioned on more than one occasion has been Ed Lamb of Southern Utah. It would be a lateral move for Lamb (read above again about integrity) and at best, you’d get a coach that is 18-20 in his career and one who never won more than six games in a season.

Neither a Hawk, a Wulff, or Lamb is the right fit to lead the Grizzlies.

Is there a timeline for hiring a coach? Wouldn't Montana be better served to do the Ohio State thing and have an interim coach this coming season, while taking the time to hire an AD and letting him/her spend some time this fall doing a more thorough search?
 
AnakinGrizwalker said:
unproven assistants unprepared to take over such a volatile situation, or FCS head coaches looking to make a lateral move.

Weren't Hauck and Phflu both assistants prior to UM Head job???? Just saying!!!
 
bengal said:
AnakinGrizwalker said:
The Montana Grizzlies Football program finds itself in one of the most unique college football coaching searches in quite a long time. Not only will their next coach inherit a team plagued with off-the-field allegations regarding the most tawdry of crimes, but he will also be forced to take over a team and install his own philosophy and style of play without a single spring practice with his new players. Coming to Missoula, he will find a fan base that has gone to the National Championship Game more than half a dozen times in the last fifteen years. The learning curve and patience for a new coach will be very, very small.

The rumor mills have already started buzzing, but unfortunately the names that are being presented are recycled coaches coming off horrendous stints at previous schools, unproven assistants unprepared to take over such a volatile situation, or FCS head coaches looking to make a lateral move. For a university that promised to improve its “integrity,” nothing exudes integrity less than a coach leaving his players behind at the end of spring practice in order to take a career step sideways.

Dan Hawkins has been put out there as the fan favorite to be the next Montana head coach, but nothing can be further from the truth. Any real fan of college football in the state of Montana knows that the majority of the success Hawkins had at Boise State can be attributed to his young assistant who kept bringing in great recruits and revolutionizing their offense. Maybe you heard of him before: Chris Peterson.

Yes. Dan Hawkins has experience taking over a trouble program riddled with accusations of player misconduct and sexual abuse. Unfortunately, that experience was simply bad. Following an infamous “Ten wins, no excuses” boast to start a season, he finished with just 3 wins. His 28 point fourth quarter collapse against Kansas was the worst in the 131 years of Colorado Football, topped only by the fact that Hawkins, who was seemingly a lame duck coach, allowed his quarterback (and son), despite a 28 point lead to keep airing it out in a flagrant attempt to break Colorado’s all-time passing record.

Given Paul Wulff’s experience at Eastern Washington and the Big Sky Conference, it can be expected for him to be a candidate for the Montana job. But he went a lackluster 53-40 at Eastern Washington and didn’t win a single playoff game during his time there. In the FCS, you can’t make it to the National Championship if you can’t coach playoff football.

Wulff surely did not add to his coaching acumen at Washington State. He won just nine games in 49 tries and his .184 winning percentage is the worst ever in the history of Washington State Football.

A dark horse but a name I’ve heard mentioned on more than one occasion has been Ed Lamb of Southern Utah. It would be a lateral move for Lamb (read above again about integrity) and at best, you’d get a coach that is 18-20 in his career and one who never won more than six games in a season.

Neither a Hawk, a Wulff, or Lamb is the right fit to lead the Grizzlies.

Is there a timeline for hiring a coach? Wouldn't Montana be better served to do the Ohio State thing and have an interim coach this coming season, while taking the time to hire an AD and letting him/her spend some time this fall doing a more thorough search?
I'm thinking the same thing. Don't rush this decision, especially given that like stated the incoming coach would have to either run with the current system and just let the assistance take the brunt of the work load, or try to install his own system with out the benefit of spring ball. No, I think you stick with your man you got now, since he has been here knows the team and the system and the coaches, and you let him get you through the 2012 season. This will allow for an extensive 8-10 month hiring process.
 
In my opinion we are one of the top 5 programs in the nation at our level. If we can't get a terrific coach, there's something rotten in Denmark (no offence to the Danes on the board).
 
Just as in the basketball program, unless we're willing to pay in the same league as the top-tier FCS programs, we will only attract people who don't have head coaching experience, unless it's at a lower level. I certainly don't have a strong opinion, but I sure think strong northwest (Seattle, Spokane and Portland) recruiting experience and connections would be helpful.
 
cclarkblues said:
In my opinion we are one of the top 5 programs in the nation at our level. If we can't get a terrific coach, there's something rotten in Denmark (no offence to the Danes on the board).

That rotten smell is called lousy pay for what a Montana coach is expected to do in the position.

Would you want JMU's, or Villanova's coach? If I am correct, I believe both make about 3x what the Montana head coaching position pays.

My 'stat' comes from reading posts on CS.com. Even if it isn't 3x, it is in that ballpark.
 
bengal said:
Is there a timeline for hiring a coach? Wouldn't Montana be better served to do the Ohio State thing and have an interim coach this coming season, while taking the time to hire an AD and letting him/her spend some time this fall doing a more thorough search?

This is what I think is going to happen and the best way to proceed. Let Delaney and staff lead us next season and hire a new AD who will have plenty of time to do a head coach search before the 2013 season.
 
Zootown Rox said:
bengal said:
Is there a timeline for hiring a coach? Wouldn't Montana be better served to do the Ohio State thing and have an interim coach this coming season, while taking the time to hire an AD and letting him/her spend some time this fall doing a more thorough search?

This is what I think is going to happen and the best way to proceed. Let Delaney and staff lead us next season and hire a new AD who will have plenty of time to do a head coach search before the 2013 season.

I'm OK with that. It's kinda like sex. It's better to take your time and do it right.
 
One reason why I hope they wait to hire someone is so we can have the pick of the litter when more coaches are available (jan/feb). Also, I would think that, financially, they would HAVE to wait to hire a coach until after the 2012 season. If a new coach comes in, more than likely the current assistants would be fired due to the new coach bringing in his own. If so, the university would have to pay out their contracts, right? That's a lot of money to give out that I don't think they have?
And I don't think we should speculate or stress about who the next coach will be until they hire an AD. I'm sure whoever that is will have HIS guys. Don't you think?
 
griz4fun said:
One reason why I hope they wait to hire someone is so we can have the pick of the litter when more coaches are available (jan/feb). Also, I would think that, financially, they would HAVE to wait to hire a coach until after the 2012 season. If a new coach comes in, more than likely the current assistants would be fired due to the new coach bringing in his own. If so, the university would have to pay out their contracts, right? That's a lot of money to give out that I don't think they have?
And I don't think we should speculate or stress about who the next coach will be until they hire an AD. I'm sure whoever that is will have HIS guys. Don't you think?


I think so too. Our assistant coaches would probably like a little more security than that but I guess that is just the name of the game.
 
grizrgood said:
griz4fun said:
One reason why I hope they wait to hire someone is so we can have the pick of the litter when more coaches are available (jan/feb). Also, I would think that, financially, they would HAVE to wait to hire a coach until after the 2012 season. If a new coach comes in, more than likely the current assistants would be fired due to the new coach bringing in his own. If so, the university would have to pay out their contracts, right? That's a lot of money to give out that I don't think they have?
And I don't think we should speculate or stress about who the next coach will be until they hire an AD. I'm sure whoever that is will have HIS guys. Don't you think?


I think so too. Our assistant coaches would probably like a little more security than that but I guess that is just the name of the game.

So in the mean time, will the current assistant coaches be looking to jump ship at any opportunity that that comes along? If so, I would imagine it would be next to impossible to replace them. Right?

I know if I were a current Griz assistant, I'd be sending my resume out everywhere.
 
wbtfg said:
grizrgood said:
griz4fun said:
One reason why I hope they wait to hire someone is so we can have the pick of the litter when more coaches are available (jan/feb). Also, I would think that, financially, they would HAVE to wait to hire a coach until after the 2012 season. If a new coach comes in, more than likely the current assistants would be fired due to the new coach bringing in his own. If so, the university would have to pay out their contracts, right? That's a lot of money to give out that I don't think they have?
And I don't think we should speculate or stress about who the next coach will be until they hire an AD. I'm sure whoever that is will have HIS guys. Don't you think?


I think so too. Our assistant coaches would probably like a little more security than that but I guess that is just the name of the game.

So in the mean time, will the current assistant coaches be looking to jump ship at any opportunity that that comes along? If so, I would imagine it would be next to impossible to replace them. Right?

I know if I were a current Griz assistant, I'd be sending my resume out everywhere.

I would think the only ones would be Rosenbach and the safeties coach...i think Ty, Justin and some of the others have to much pride in MT to jump ship and they are new to those positions. Would probably have to take a step back somewhere else.
 
You may be right, however, I think loyalty takes a backseat to providing for one's family.
 
I have no problem with letting Delaney coach thru the season except for recruiting. Recruits are going to want to know who they are going to play for, and lots of recruiting is done now during summer camp. Plus you have the problem of assistants not knowing if they will be retained by the next head coach. If we had the money, it would be nice if Delaney could coach thru the year and also have the next coach hired, do recruiting, and assemble his staff. I'm not sure anyone but Ohio State would have been allowed to do this, they seem to get to do whatever they damn well please,.
 
wbtfg said:
grizrgood said:
griz4fun said:
One reason why I hope they wait to hire someone is so we can have the pick of the litter when more coaches are available (jan/feb). Also, I would think that, financially, they would HAVE to wait to hire a coach until after the 2012 season. If a new coach comes in, more than likely the current assistants would be fired due to the new coach bringing in his own. If so, the university would have to pay out their contracts, right? That's a lot of money to give out that I don't think they have?
And I don't think we should speculate or stress about who the next coach will be until they hire an AD. I'm sure whoever that is will have HIS guys. Don't you think?


I think so too. Our assistant coaches would probably like a little more security than that but I guess that is just the name of the game.

So in the mean time, will the current assistant coaches be looking to jump ship at any opportunity that that comes along? If so, I would imagine it would be next to impossible to replace them. Right?

I know if I were a current Griz assistant, I'd be sending my resume out everywhere.

I would definitely assume that the assistants are looking for other jobs. Unless, they have major confidence that Delaney is staying the whole season. At this stage in the season though, I bet there are more people looking for a job than are are jobs available. But knowing they'll still get paid (although it's not much. ha) maybe it's not that big of a deal.
 
Zootown Rox said:
bengal said:
Is there a timeline for hiring a coach? Wouldn't Montana be better served to do the Ohio State thing and have an interim coach this coming season, while taking the time to hire an AD and letting him/her spend some time this fall doing a more thorough search?

This is what I think is going to happen and the best way to proceed. Let Delaney and staff lead us next season and hire a new AD who will have plenty of time to do a head coach search before the 2013 season.
A good idea, IMO.
 

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