No football for California schools this fall

[Berkeley_Griz]

Based upon somebody getting chewed on a little this weekend on the Sun River and all the public land they have, one would think we can spare more than a few of the Grizzlies and wolves and reintroduce those animals back into their natural habitat. The buffalo from Colorado transplanted back into North Dakota last month and the Big Horn Sheep from Rocky Boy has me stoked.

Anyone have any connection with the U.S. Wildlife? Let's get them some Grizzlies and Canadian wolves.

In California? Wolves have been slowly returning to that state for years now and the state has a very favorable (from the wolves' perspective, that is) policy towards them.

 

[grizghost]

...Cali has it all 'beauty and natural resources' only to piss it all away...

All that natural beauty is still there, for the most part, protected in more federal lands (national parks, wilderness, IRAs, etc.) than any other state south of Alaska. There's plenty of reasons to piss on California, but this comment is odd.

...sorry maybe I got it wrong but l thought they had a homeless problem in some of the major cities with people
sh*tting in the streets...I had a visit to Santa Barbara 20 years ago and than a year ago..what a beautiful place
but even that is changing..homeless people all over the place...not a pretty site ...because they haven't managed
their resources a lot has gone up in flames ..so much being protected?...yes still some nice places but come on
they are trashing that place...many of the beaches are trashed too.. so l don't think the comment is odd!...
I wasn't really talking about federal lands,etc..

 

[putter]

Mississippi is the only state within the SEC footprint that has not said they are reopening and will be open in the Fall. Conferences with large TV money can have games without fans as all those fans will be in front of the tube. Will be interesting for Cali now that Cuomo has said NY should slowly reopen

 

[Hoops watcher]

Not to take a side, but I have always found it ironic that the right constantly bashes California. Their economy is the fifth largest in the world, as 24 points out they run a large government surplus, and the taxes paid out of California quite LITERALLY pay for large government borrowing done in many of the rural (red) states.

Just can't wrap my brain around that one.

California? Not really paying much more than they get: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-02-05/think-carefully-before-cutting-off-subsidies-to-red-states https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/coronarivus-relief-state-aid-andrew-cuomo-rick-scott-spar/

Lumping social security, individual (Medicaid, WIC, etc.) and common stuff (Nat Parks and BLM, Fed Highways and Military together is not a very smart way to look at it. Take individual social security out it changes a lot. Montana doesn't derive all the benefit of dollars Fedgov spends on Glacier. Nevada is 90 per cent Fed land. A lot of foregone property taxes for them.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

All that natural beauty is still there, for the most part, protected in more federal lands (national parks, wilderness, IRAs, etc.) than any other state south of Alaska. There's plenty of reasons to piss on California, but this comment is odd.

...sorry maybe I got it wrong but l thought they had a homeless problem in some of the major cities with people
sh*tting in the streets...I had a visit to Santa Barbara 20 years ago and than a year ago..what a beautiful place
but even that is changing..homeless people all over the place...not a pretty site ...because they haven't managed
their resources a lot has gone up in flames ..so much being protected?...yes still some nice places but come on
they are trashing that place...many of the beaches are trashed too.. so l don't think the comment is odd!...
I wasn't really talking about federal lands,etc..

Then I just misunderstood what you were getting at. When someone speaks of the "natural beauty" of California, I immediately think of the many beautiful federal lands. Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Yosemite, the Trinity Alps, the Channel Islands, the Lost Coast - there are some great places to visit in the state. The street-shitting problem you're thinking of was probably San Fran; I remember that getting a little publicity a couple years back. California makes a fine vacation but not a great place to stay long term.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

Mississippi is the only state within the SEC footprint that has not said they are reopening and will be open in the Fall. Conferences with large TV money can have games without fans as all those fans will be in front of the tube. Will be interesting for Cali now that Cuomo has said NY should slowly reopen

The Cali governor said yesterday that pro sports could resume in June without fans.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I’ve learned over the years that people in other states talk an awful lot about California, which is weird because I don’t think most Californians think about other states at all.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

I’ve learned over the years that people in other states talk an awful lot about California, which is weird because I don’t think most Californians think about other states at all.

The massive efflux of Californians to all those other states keeps it on their minds.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I’ve learned over the years that people in other states talk an awful lot about California, which is weird because I don’t think most Californians think about other states at all.

The massive efflux of Californians to all those other states keeps it on their minds.

Probably right, but that’s kind of a different topic. For example: when was the last time we complained for a few pages on eGriz about how South Carolina is governed and reminded everyone (and mostly ourselves) that South Carolina “just isn’t for us”?

My old man is one of the “I wish CA would just slide into the ocean” types. He can’t really articulate why he feels that way or how it would be a good thing for the other 49 states, but I think it makes him feel edgy.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

The massive efflux of Californians to all those other states keeps it on their minds.

Probably right, but that’s kind of a different topic. For example: when was the last time we complained for a few pages on eGriz about how South Carolina is governed and reminded everyone (and mostly ourselves) that South Carolina “just isn’t for us”?

My old man is one of the “I wish CA would just slide into the ocean” types. He can’t really articulate why he feels that way or how it would be a good thing for the other 49 states, but I think it makes him feel edgy.

I don't think it's really a different topic. We don't think of SC because there aren't a bunch of Carolina immigrants to bring our attention to them, the state, its governance, etc. Too many Californians move to CO, MT, ID, etc. and bring their CA lifestyles and attitudes with them, ruffling feathers and pre-disposing many to automatically disliking CA as a whole. Many other states do things Montanans would dislike just as much, but we don't get "representatives" of that state out here like we do Californians.

Anyways, not that any of it matters. Glad I was able to get my PhD where I did and glad I was able to leave CA immediately thereafter. Crowding was the primary issue for me.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Probably right, but that’s kind of a different topic. For example: when was the last time we complained for a few pages on eGriz about how South Carolina is governed and reminded everyone (and mostly ourselves) that South Carolina “just isn’t for us”?

My old man is one of the “I wish CA would just slide into the ocean” types. He can’t really articulate why he feels that way or how it would be a good thing for the other 49 states, but I think it makes him feel edgy.

I don't think it's really a different topic. We don't think of SC because there aren't a bunch of Carolina immigrants to bring our attention to them, the state, its governance, etc. Too many Californians move to CO, MT, ID, etc. and bring their CA lifestyles and attitudes with them, ruffling feathers and pre-disposing many to automatically disliking CA as a whole. Many other states do things Montanans would dislike just as much, but we don't get "representatives" of that state out here like we do Californians.

Anyways, not that any of it matters. Glad I was able to get my PhD where I did and glad I was able to leave CA immediately thereafter. Crowding was the primary issue for me.

Oh, I get the hate, I just don’t why it becomes: “I don’t like all those California transplants’ lifestyles and attitudes, so let’s complain about the California state and local governments.” Why? The transplants are part of MT, CO, and ID now. I guess some think it’s fine to hate individuals based on state (but not country) of origin, I just don’t see the governmental connection.

Anywhoo, my original point was just that CA seems like the only state where people feel the need to say whether or not they could live there long term. It’s a pretty big state.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

I don't think it's really a different topic. We don't think of SC because there aren't a bunch of Carolina immigrants to bring our attention to them, the state, its governance, etc. Too many Californians move to CO, MT, ID, etc. and bring their CA lifestyles and attitudes with them, ruffling feathers and pre-disposing many to automatically disliking CA as a whole. Many other states do things Montanans would dislike just as much, but we don't get "representatives" of that state out here like we do Californians.

Anyways, not that any of it matters. Glad I was able to get my PhD where I did and glad I was able to leave CA immediately thereafter. Crowding was the primary issue for me.

Oh, I get the hate, I just don’t why it becomes: “I don’t like all those California transplants’ lifestyles and attitudes, so let’s complain about the California state and local governments.” Why? The transplants are part of MT, CO, and ID now. I guess some think it’s fine to hate individuals based on state (but not country) of origin, I just don’t see the governmental connection.

Anywhoo, my original point was just that CA seems like the only state where people feel the need to say whether or not they could live there long term. It’s a pretty big state.

Ya, I get what you're saying. I was saying that people hate on CA because they have people in front of them that project negative stereotypes of CA; I agree with your point that judging an entire state based largely on those interactions is nonetheless silly.

There are definitely parts of CA that aren't bad at all, keeping in mind that my judgement largely boils down to human crowding and proximity to mountains. Up near Redding, Yreka, Shasta, etc., and around Bishop, Lone Pine, etc. on the eastern Sierra are all nice places.

 

[Grizfan-24]

The conversation at least at the elementary and secondary level is that schools likely are better off not opening up in fall unless a couple of things happen:

1. Medical Personnel are provided (nurses primarily) are staffed at elementary and secondary schools.

2. Schools are able to create education plans that allow for students effectively learn while preventing a rapid increase in the disease. That includes the ability to disinfect rapidly and efficiently. That right now isn't the case, and it would require additional steps to prevent clusters of outbreaks.

The numbers are definitely flattening out here in San Diego, and there has been increased chatter that if schools are able to meet the testing and mitigation efforts, the local education agencies might allow schools to commence in-person education in the fall. That however is going to require a lot of planning and money and like a lot of states, there isn't a ton of money floating around right now to help facilitate that movement. Thus the pessimism by District superintendents of Districts like San Diego Unified and LA Unified.

Colleges are a bit different animal at this point, and because of the sheer enormity of some of the campuses, college administrators are hesitant to open up campuses because of the logistic issues. Would put the UC and CSU system billions into the red just in mitigation issues. Best case scenario is a graduated opening for Cal Schools in the fall, with the hope that schools would be fully capable to provide instruction on campuses in the winter.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Oh, I get the hate, I just don’t why it becomes: “I don’t like all those California transplants’ lifestyles and attitudes, so let’s complain about the California state and local governments.” Why? The transplants are part of MT, CO, and ID now. I guess some think it’s fine to hate individuals based on state (but not country) of origin, I just don’t see the governmental connection.

Anywhoo, my original point was just that CA seems like the only state where people feel the need to say whether or not they could live there long term. It’s a pretty big state.

Ya, I get what you're saying. I was saying that people hate on CA because they have people in front of them that project negative stereotypes of CA; I agree with your point that judging an entire state based largely on those interactions is nonetheless silly.

There are definitely parts of CA that aren't bad at all, keeping in mind that my judgement largely boils down to human crowding and proximity to mountains. Up near Redding, Yreka, Shasta, etc., and around Bishop, Lone Pine, etc. on the eastern Sierra are all nice places.

I hear you. The funny part is the transplants aren't the ones who live in California. They clearly have a different mindset/values than people who choose to stay in California. So, probably not the best representatives.

Agree with your list. In general, I think some people in other parts of the country don't really grasp how large CA is and how different the parts are from one another. Put another way: flying into LAX, renting a car, and taking the kids to theme parks for four days probably doesn't give one the ability to form a valid opinion on the entire state, but we see that exact scenario all the time.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

Ya, I get what you're saying. I was saying that people hate on CA because they have people in front of them that project negative stereotypes of CA; I agree with your point that judging an entire state based largely on those interactions is nonetheless silly.

There are definitely parts of CA that aren't bad at all, keeping in mind that my judgement largely boils down to human crowding and proximity to mountains. Up near Redding, Yreka, Shasta, etc., and around Bishop, Lone Pine, etc. on the eastern Sierra are all nice places.

I hear you. The funny part is the transplants aren't the ones who live in California. They clearly have a different mindset/values than people who choose to stay in California. So, probably not the best representatives.

Agree with your list. In general, I think some people in other parts of the country don't really grasp how large CA is and how different the parts are from one another. Put another way: flying into LAX, renting a car, and taking the kids to theme parks for four days probably doesn't give one the ability to form a valid opinion on the entire state, but we see that exact scenario all the time.

Absolutely. Incredible amount of variety in CA - landscapes from plains to high mountains, arid desert to deep forests, volcanic landscapes and rugged coasts. And of course most people who haven't spent much time there would be very surprised at just how conservative many areas are.

 

[kemajic]

I hear you. The funny part is the transplants aren't the ones who live in California. They clearly have a different mindset/values than people who choose to stay in California. So, probably not the best representatives.

Agree with your list. In general, I think some people in other parts of the country don't really grasp how large CA is and how different the parts are from one another. Put another way: flying into LAX, renting a car, and taking the kids to theme parks for four days probably doesn't give one the ability to form a valid opinion on the entire state, but we see that exact scenario all the time.

Absolutely. Incredible amount of variety in CA - landscapes from plains to high mountains, arid desert to deep forests, volcanic landscapes and rugged coasts. And of course most people who haven't spent much time there would be very surprised at just how conservative many areas are.

And how outnumbered and over-taxed they are.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

Absolutely. Incredible amount of variety in CA - landscapes from plains to high mountains, arid desert to deep forests, volcanic landscapes and rugged coasts. And of course most people who haven't spent much time there would be very surprised at just how conservative many areas are.

And how outnumbered they are.

I doubt that would surprise anyone, considering the population of the coastal cities.

 

[grizghost]

I hear you. The funny part is the transplants aren't the ones who live in California. They clearly have a different mindset/values than people who choose to stay in California. So, probably not the best representatives.

Agree with your list. In general, I think some people in other parts of the country don't really grasp how large CA is and how different the parts are from one another. Put another way: flying into LAX, renting a car, and taking the kids to theme parks for four days probably doesn't give one the ability to form a valid opinion on the entire state, but we see that exact scenario all the time.

Absolutely. Incredible amount of variety in CA - landscapes from plains to high mountains, arid desert to deep forests, volcanic landscapes and rugged coasts. And of course most people who haven't spent much time there would be very surprised at just how conservative many areas are.

..yes I agree..I went to Redding on a business trip and really enjoyed the people I met,,..a lot like the Montana people..

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

Absolutely. Incredible amount of variety in CA - landscapes from plains to high mountains, arid desert to deep forests, volcanic landscapes and rugged coasts. And of course most people who haven't spent much time there would be very surprised at just how conservative many areas are.

..yes I agree..I went to Redding on a business trip and really enjoyed the people I met,,..a lot like the Montana people..

Redding is great for its access, being right in the middle of several of the state's most beautiful areas - Trinity Alps and the rest of the Klamath Mountains to the west, Mt Shasta to the north, Lassen to the east.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

..yes I agree..I went to Redding on a business trip and really enjoyed the people I met,,..a lot like the Montana people..

Redding is great for its access, being right in the middle of several of the state's most beautiful areas - Trinity Alps and the rest of the Klamath Mountains to the west, Mt Shasta to the north, Lassen to the east.

And as a side note, Shasta was probably the most miserable of all the 14ers I've ever climbed. Nothing technical about it, just a long, loooong slog up a loose, crumbly but ridiculously steep volcanic sand pile. 6,000 feet of gain in the last two miles. Slid down one step for every two steps up.

Stupid pretty though.