No football for California schools this fall

[p8nted]

No surprise here. Many school are hurting financially and it is going to get worse. Without many fans, most schools are losing money big time on football. UM has lost $400,000 already from the loss of NCAA tournament money and is reeling financially. With fewer or no fans that hill will get deeper. I wonder if the AD's are sort of in favor of this as they can't balance the book another way.. MAC has announced they only want to play regionally and not fly anywhere if possible.

 

[p8nted]

No athletic director or college football coach will admit what has become a sober reality, is that there likely won't be a traditional football schedule in the fall. A couple of guys I know here who work in connection with a few athletic departments in the west, have both said that athletic directors are quietly hoping for an outright cancellation rather than conducting a fall college football season without fans.

The reason? Athletic departments won't balance budgets and way too many schools (including the UM) are entirely dependent on revenue streams from football to help fund the rest of departments. We are already seeing the ripple effect, in that most smaller division one programs who do not have power 5 booster type money are quietly telling those seniors who have extra years of eligibility from the spring sport cancellation that they don't have scholarship money. Power 5 schools could likely survive a fan-less season (television contracts), but programs like Montana and the vast majority of other FBS/FCS schools would run gigantic deficits next year if they played the fall season w/out fans. Sends a pretty poor message to everyone for schools to run millions of dollar deficits just to have college games in the fall when most schools aren't going to adopt in-person instruction until there is a)full testing capability, or b) the CDC feels comfortable with a vaccine/treatment protocol or C) both.

Moreover, colleges are already bracing for a downturn in enrollment next year and many schools have already begun preparing for massing rollbacks in services in all sectors. That includes the athletic department, my understanding is that Haslam among others have informed athletic department personnel to prepare for austerity measures to balance the budget in 2020-21 fiscal year. Whether that means reducing staff, programs, or line items, this is the reality of this pandemic is that college programs are and have to prepare for the worst case scenario.

The push is either for a direct cancellation or in a best case scenario moving the college football season to the winter/spring for the 2020-21 season. I am holding out hope for a return to some semblance of normalcy, but I am not holding my breath either.

Terrific post. College (as it's currently structured) is in for a gigantic upheaval. If they go a 2nd semester without physical attendance, people are going to begin (and may already have) to figure out that they don't need to ATTEND college to go to college. And I can see many of the smaller schools just dropping sports altogether....they don't make money off them anyways...now would be the perfect time to just cut bait and get rid of them. Wouldn't surprise me to see several schools close up shop altogether.

Would be a great time to reconsider what the BSC looks like....

Not really true though for many fields. Lab based and research based programs simply cannot be delivered effectively online

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I was wondering whether or not this would affect private schools or not. If, as indicated, the edict does not apply to private institutions both USC & Stanford could still have seasons. I don't think St. Mary's or Pepperdine play football, but they could still field teams for other fall sports. So, other than the impact this might have on UCLA and Berkeley, I'm not sure if would have a significant effect on either the PAC-12 of College athletics in general.

The bigger problem would be if other States decide to do the same thing!

This particular decision has no effect on the UC system. If you're not in the CSU system (Davis), you're still in the game as of today, baby!

 

[Paytonlives]

Lets face it.... The California Governor is more interested in a federal bailout of California then anything else. California has been in a tailspin for many many years and have taxed themselves into oblivion. The longer he can drag this out and hurt the people of California, the better for him and his government.

Mark this down: This is going to bite California in the ass. The riots are coming....

 

[Montanabob]

Lets face it.... The California Governor is more interested in a federal bailout of California then anything else. California has been in a tailspin for many many years and have taxed themselves into oblivion. The longer he can drag this out and hurt the people of California, the better for him and his government.

Mark this down: This is going to bite California in the ass. The riots are coming....

That is exactly what the Democrats want. More to blame Trump and Republicans in November. Watch what happens when all the other states open up and the Coronavirus does not meet the CNN projections.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

So, other than the impact this might have on UCLA and Berkeley, I'm not sure if would have a significant effect on either the PAC-12 of College athletics in general.

This has no impact on UCLA or Berkeley. As someone else said, the original post was worded poorly; it is the California State University System that decided this, not all "state"/public schools of California.

The PAC will drag their feet on this as along as they can, but I expect that by around mid June, everyone will have had to make a decision as to what going to happen, seeing as mid July is the latest you could start preseason camp and be ready to go at the end of August.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

people are going to begin (and may already have) to figure out that they don't need to ATTEND college to go to college.

This is not at all accurate for many, many disciplines.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

Power 5 schools could likely survive a fan-less season (television contracts), but programs like Montana and the vast majority of other FBS/FCS schools would run gigantic deficits next year if they played the fall season w/out fans. Sends a pretty poor message to everyone for schools to run millions of dollar deficits

This will vary tremendously by school. Many FBS schools, including P5 schools, still get 30-50% or more of their revenue from tickets and donations tied to those tickets, and while they make more money overall, they still run razor thin margins due to the immense spending on salaries, facilities, etc. necessary to compete at the P5 level. Without fans, that leaves those schools tens and tens of millions in the hole; PAC and ACC schools will be particularly vulnerable. On the other hand, some FCS schools may be more capable of weathering the storm, as losing 50% or more of their revenue still amounts to a sum that is easier for a university to cover for one year. Heck, many FCS programs lose money each year.

It will be interesting, for sure. I think there will be a season in some form or fashion, but who knows how it will shake out, and it may change mid-season if there's another flare-up or if a player/ coach becomes infected. When it's all over, I imagine it may have lasting impacts on the spending in college football, particularly the P5. I'd think it a good thing, in the end, if this resulted in college football shifting back to a more regional model, but I doubt such widespread change will take place.

 

[SeattleBobcat]

Lets face it.... The California Governor is more interested in a federal bailout of California then anything else. California has been in a tailspin for many many years and have taxed themselves into oblivion. The longer he can drag this out and hurt the people of California, the better for him and his government.

Mark this down: This is going to bite California in the ass. The riots are coming....

That is exactly what the Democrats want. More to blame Trump and Republicans in November. Watch what happens when all the other states open up and the Coronavirus does not meet the CNN projections.

Don't be a dumbass, nobody wants this.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Power 5 schools could likely survive a fan-less season (television contracts), but programs like Montana and the vast majority of other FBS/FCS schools would run gigantic deficits next year if they played the fall season w/out fans. Sends a pretty poor message to everyone for schools to run millions of dollar deficits

This will vary tremendously by school. Many FBS schools, including P5 schools, still get 30-50% or more of their revenue from tickets and donations tied to those tickets, and while they make more money overall, they still run razor thin margins due to the immense spending on salaries, facilities, etc. necessary to compete at the P5 level. Without fans, that leaves those schools tens and tens of millions in the hole; PAC and ACC schools will be particularly vulnerable. On the other hand, some FCS schools may be more capable of weathering the storm, as losing 50% or more of their revenue still amounts to a sum that is easier for a university to cover for one year. Heck, many FCS programs lose money each year.

It will be interesting, for sure. I think there will be a season in some form or fashion, but who knows how it will shake out, and it may change mid-season if there's another flare-up or if a player/ coach becomes infected. When it's all over, I imagine it may have lasting impacts on the spending in college football, particularly the P5. I'd think it a good thing, in the end, if this resulted in college football shifting back to a more regional model, but I doubt such widespread change will take place.

Look! All the old Arthur Anderson accountants are working again..

 

[first11]

Lets face it.... The California Governor is more interested in a federal bailout of California then anything else. California has been in a tailspin for many many years and have taxed themselves into oblivion. The longer he can drag this out and hurt the people of California, the better for him and his government.

Mark this down: This is going to bite California in the ass. The riots are coming....

Marked........zzzzzzzz

 

[reinell30]

Cat/Griz every weekend for 8 weeks? Schools will get their money.

 

[ilovethecats]

Cat/Griz every weekend for 8 weeks? Schools will get their money.

Far more people would die from this scenario than the corona virus for sure.

The we'd have to all quit our jobs and school again....

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

Cat/Griz every weekend for 8 weeks?

 

[indian-outlaw]

Lets face it.... The California Governor is more interested in a federal bailout of California then anything else. California has been in a tailspin for many many years and have taxed themselves into oblivion. The longer he can drag this out and hurt the people of California, the better for him and his government.

Mark this down: This is going to bite California in the ass. The riots are coming....

What federal bailout has California gotten? Besides the corporations that have looted the treasury through the bailout scam and the peanuts the citizens were given?
I tend to agree that businesses should open at their own discretion. But when right wingers hold it up as a constitutional issue without saying a peep in the past about the patriot act, the torture network or all these illegal wars I find it disingenuous. Schools are state institutions and I also find it funny when these dopey right wingers who constantly tout states rights are so furious when the states excercise rights that don't parrot their agenda.

 

[info]

Lets face it.... The California Governor is more interested in a federal bailout of California then anything else. California has been in a tailspin for many many years and have taxed themselves into oblivion. The longer he can drag this out and hurt the people of California, the better for him and his government.

Mark this down: This is going to bite California in the ass. The riots are coming....

What federal bailout has California gotten? Besides the corporations that have looted the treasury through the bailout scam and the peanuts the citizens were given?
I tend to agree that businesses should open at their own discretion. But when right wingers hold it up as a constitutional issue without saying a peep in the past about the patriot act, the torture network or all these illegal wars I find it disingenuous. Schools are state institutions and I also find it funny when these dopey right wingers who constantly tout states rights are so furious when the states excercise rights that don't parrot their agenda.

Great post!

 

[TCCGRIZ]

Lets face it.... The California Governor is more interested in a federal bailout of California then anything else. California has been in a tailspin for many many years and have taxed themselves into oblivion. The longer he can drag this out and hurt the people of California, the better for him and his government.

Mark this down: This is going to bite California in the ass. The riots are coming....

Well , they do have to find money to finish that high speed train ( wreck ) .
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Train-to-nowhere-Here-s-how-high-speed-project-13621347.php

 

[TCCGRIZ]

Lets face it.... The California Governor is more interested in a federal bailout of California then anything else. California has been in a tailspin for many many years and have taxed themselves into oblivion. The longer he can drag this out and hurt the people of California, the better for him and his government.

Mark this down: This is going to bite California in the ass. The riots are coming....

What federal bailout has California gotten? Besides the corporations that have looted the treasury through the bailout scam and the peanuts the citizens were given?
I tend to agree that businesses should open at their own discretion. But when right wingers hold it up as a constitutional issue without saying a peep in the past about the patriot act, the torture network or all these illegal wars I find it disingenuous. Schools are state institutions and I also find it funny when these dopey right wingers who constantly tout states rights are so furious when the states excercise rights that don't parrot their agenda.

You do realize the " left wingers " are no better .
You can really see both sides act like snakes when a non career politician is in office .
Have you read what is in Pelosi's 3 trillion dollar stimulus.
Tell me honestly if you think half the crap in it is warranted

 

[TCCGRIZ]

That is exactly what the Democrats want. More to blame Trump and Republicans in November. Watch what happens when all the other states open up and the Coronavirus does not meet the CNN projections.

Don't be a dumbass, nobody wants this.

Hahahahaha, ok

 

[indian-outlaw]

What federal bailout has California gotten? Besides the corporations that have looted the treasury through the bailout scam and the peanuts the citizens were given?
I tend to agree that businesses should open at their own discretion. But when right wingers hold it up as a constitutional issue without saying a peep in the past about the patriot act, the torture network or all these illegal wars I find it disingenuous. Schools are state institutions and I also find it funny when these dopey right wingers who constantly tout states rights are so furious when the states excercise rights that don't parrot their agenda.

You do realize the " left wingers " are no better .
You can really see both sides act like snakes when a non career politician is in office .
Have you read what is in Pelosi's 3 trillion dollar stimulus.
Tell me honestly if you think half the crap in it is warranted

I will in no way shape or form defend the establishment democrats in office today. They are just spineless yes men to the corporate donars who own them.