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NFL MVP Voting

SuperHornet

SuperHornet

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KTXL Fox 40 in Sac tracked down the one and only guy not to vote for Tom Brady as MVP. A restaurant owner from Grass Valley, CA, who's been voting for MVP since the '70s, he voted for Brett Favre instead.

His reasoning was thus: there are many stars on the Patriots, and they were expected to win 14 anyway. Brady's contributions, while outstanding, did not rise to "valuable" in terms of his team's success. Meanwhile, he saw the Packers as laying a complete turd w/o Favre. They won 13 with him. Therefore, he was "valuable" to his team.

I guess we sould separate out the MVP and POY awards. I know this has been discussed for years. But this is why Brady's award isn't unanimous.
 
Yeah, this debate went on a little while ago on the main Pats fan forum. It's just the way it is I guess... there's always going to be a small percentage of voters (in anything) who will purposely go against the grain because they want to make a name for themselves or stick out. Brady isn't focused on the MVP award at the moment anyway, so I don't think it really frustrates anybody other than the die-hard Brady fans. I just don't see what more Brady could have done, and I think Moss' year is even head and shoulders above Favre for MVP-balloting sake.
 
Drew said:
Yeah, this debate went on a little while ago on the main Pats fan forum. It's just the way it is I guess... there's always going to be a small percentage of voters (in anything) who will purposely go against the grain because they want to make a name for themselves or stick out. Brady isn't focused on the MVP award at the moment anyway, so I don't think it really frustrates anybody other than the die-hard Brady fans. I just don't see what more Brady could have done, and I think Moss' year is even head and shoulders above Favre for MVP-balloting sake.
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Drew said:
Yeah, this debate went on a little while ago on the main Pats fan forum. It's just the way it is I guess... there's always going to be a small percentage of voters (in anything) who will purposely go against the grain because they want to make a name for themselves or stick out. Brady isn't focused on the MVP award at the moment anyway, so I don't think it really frustrates anybody other than the die-hard Brady fans. I just don't see what more Brady could have done, and I think Moss' year is even head and shoulders above Favre for MVP-balloting sake.
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That's just the point, Drew. If one goes on stats alone, Brady wins hands down. And, yes, Moss likely had a better STATISTICAL year than Favre. Given Favre's game habits, that's not a stretch. But the debate centers on whether stats are the lone criteria, or one's impact on his team. One could argue that NE had so many weapons in addition to Brady and Moss that they would have done well otherwise, while Green Bay would have been in the cr@pper w/o Favre.

It's this semantic debate that has sparked the discussion yet again. I don't think that it will be settled to satisfy everybody until there are separate awards with each definition. Based on THAT, I would think that Favre wins MVP, while Brady wins MOP/POY (depending on what the powers that be decide to call it).
 
One could argue that NE had so many weapons in addition to Brady and Moss that they would have done well otherwise
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One could......but one would be very wrong. Do YOU believe NE would have done well without Brady. :thumb:
 
I believe that with Matt Cassel at the helm, the Patriots, between their receiving corps and Vrabel/Seau on defense (not to mention the fact that no defense in America can cover Vrabel on offense), would have done WELL. Undefeated? No. But they would have been at least 11-5 in my book. That's a decent season enough for anyone, especially since it's almost a lock for the playoffs.
 
I see your message, but it's invalid this year. Brady had probably the best season ever by a quarterback. If it's a close call, then fine, I can see that analysis, but it wasn't. Brady is huge to the Patriots, so now you're just showing your ignorance when you play down his contribution to that team. His leading receiver last year was Reche Caldwell, and he was still one drop away from the Super Bowl. Now he lights it up with Manning-esque weapons and he's not valuable. You're really stretching bud... REALLY stretching, so give it up and acknowledge Brady's greatness this year.
 
I am not a fam of New England but the reason I like watching them is that until this year they really had no superstars other than Brady and this year Moss/Thomas.

Other than that they are a bunch of overachievers with a GREAT head coach.
 
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I am not a fam of New England but the reason I like watching them is that until this year they really had no superstars other than Brady and this year Moss/Thomas.

Other than that they are a bunch of overachievers with a GREAT head coach.
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Maybe the greatest overachiever in all of pro sports ..... Wes Welker. But even he and Moss couldn't make Matt Cassel a star. shhhhh..don't tell SH
 
Did I say that a guy who never started a collegiate game would be a star? The Ravens proved that a team can do well with a do-nothing QB. While I don't believe that Cassel would be a "star," he'd certainly do better than the punk that got fired after winning the SB.

And what does last year have to do with this year, Drew? I'll grant you that Brady had more impact on the Patriots' performance last year. But with Moss, Welker, Vrabel, etc., how can ANYONE say that it was all Brady? No way.

Very good season, yes. Valuable, yes. But he had help that one could say that Favre did not have. Clearly, Favre had more to do with the Packers' success than Brady did with the Patriots'.

Look. A Cowboys fan who can't stand the Packers after the freaking Ice Bowl is saying this. That's got to add SOME credence.
 
Favre has Driver the emerging Jones and that running back Grant.

His defense has more stars on it than NE so I don't see why you act like Favre has no talent on his team.
 
Last year shows the stupidity of the argument. You are saying Brady isn't valuable enough on his own to warrant the Patriots terrific regular season, and that Welker and Moss were essential weapons for him to have the kind of year he did. BUT... last year Brady DID NOT have any such weapons, he had Reche Caldwell (760 yards) and Ben Watson as his leading receivers. And yet he still led them to a first round bye (regular season... which the award is based off of), and had them one pass (and Caldwell drop) away from a Super Bowl. So clearly... those "essential" weapons of Moss and Welker (Welker had three career receiving TDs before this year just to let you know) are not required for Brady to be an incredibly valuable player to the Patriots. Just listen to what you are saying... that's all I'm saying. Don't try to start an argument and play the other side... look at ALL the facts.
 
Tom Brady is the MVP hands down.

However I can easily make an argument for Brett Favre, and quite frankly I'm surprised he didn't get a few more votes.

- Tom's got arguably the best OL in the leauge. Brett's got an OL that is good, but 2 of them are 2nd year players, ones a 4th year, only Taucher and Clifton are true veterans.

- Tom's got the best WR corps, height, speed, hands, you can't stack up against it. Brett has a WR corps built on speed and athleticism, Driver, Jennings, Jones and Robinson are all burners with great hands, Martin is the only "tall guy" on the team. Only Robinson and Driver are veterans.

- Tom's got a stable of emerging and veteran RBs, a healthy blend of blocking backs, and power running backs. Brett has a rookie who is red hot (Grant) a 3rd year injury prone guy (Morency) and a rookie whose body wasn't ready for the NFL (Jackson).

- Tom's got two great TEs, both Brady and Watson could be starters on almost any other team. Brett's main guy of late is the emerging Donald Lee, and Bubba Franks hasn't played in 2 months.

Tom has veterans and many players at the top of their game, Brett's got young guys and inexperienced guys. For Brett to go 13-3 and have his best year ever at 38 - leading one of the best offenses in the NFL (3rd... right?). I can see how he can be in the discussion.
 
50 TDs and 8 INTs doesn't need justification. Your questioning of that needs justifying... and stating that he had Moss and Welker only adds to his case since he made one player who everyone thought was a cancer and on the downside of his career have a record-breaking season, as well as made another player who was never a starter the receptions leader of the league. Oh, not to mention that 16-0 record and numerous historic records for the offense (points, TDs, etc.).
 
A QB doesn't get to 16-0 in a vacuum, Drew. I'd love to see the Patriots go 16-0 in an 11-on-Brady game. This is starting to get as ridiculous as those old Bears fans and the old Ditka routine....
 
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