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New Mid-Major Poll
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Good stuff! :thumb:
Can't really bad mouth this poll anymore. Looks like they worked out the kinks of ranking Oral Roberts anyways.
Still a few minor issues though :wink:
1) CS Fullerton being ranked is crazy. I can list 25 teams more deserving of being ranked. With an RPI of 232 and losses to TX-San Antonio (294) and Cal Poly (284), they shouldn't even be getting votes right now.
2) Pacific loses to UC Riverside (Yes, that Riverside) at home, and they're still ranked? Teams like Akron, Samford and Bradley probably aren't too excited about this poll.
3) I still think that San Diego is overrated. They may have 10 wins, but with losses to UCSB (219), LMU (221) and San Jose St (230) they definitely have some deficiencies. I see no way that they can run with Gonzaga.
Sacramento State is getting some votes. Two more wins at ISU and WSU could get them close (only takes 90 votes to break the top 25).
Can't really bad mouth this poll anymore. Looks like they worked out the kinks of ranking Oral Roberts anyways.
Still a few minor issues though :wink:
1) CS Fullerton being ranked is crazy. I can list 25 teams more deserving of being ranked. With an RPI of 232 and losses to TX-San Antonio (294) and Cal Poly (284), they shouldn't even be getting votes right now.
2) Pacific loses to UC Riverside (Yes, that Riverside) at home, and they're still ranked? Teams like Akron, Samford and Bradley probably aren't too excited about this poll.
3) I still think that San Diego is overrated. They may have 10 wins, but with losses to UCSB (219), LMU (221) and San Jose St (230) they definitely have some deficiencies. I see no way that they can run with Gonzaga.
Sacramento State is getting some votes. Two more wins at ISU and WSU could get them close (only takes 90 votes to break the top 25).
Well, as much as I love this mid major poll... I am not going to get all blown out of shape as our RPI right now is 99th and it continues to drop because of our conference strength.
THis is the current RPI: Midmajority.com
Montana 99
Sac State 133
Portland State 165
Eastern Washington 184
Idaho State 190
Montana State 248
Northern Arizona 252
Weber State 272
I dont know, RPI is a great tool in one way, so are polls. I like the who you played ideal better. A bad stanford squad is still better than a great UofM Western squad.
THis is the current RPI: Midmajority.com
Montana 99
Sac State 133
Portland State 165
Eastern Washington 184
Idaho State 190
Montana State 248
Northern Arizona 252
Weber State 272
I dont know, RPI is a great tool in one way, so are polls. I like the who you played ideal better. A bad stanford squad is still better than a great UofM Western squad.
And Stanford is moving up in the RPI because they finally won a couple games and they're playing against good competition every night. They are up to 176 today and its only going to continue to rise as long as they don't drop home games to opponents ranked lower than them.
As for the Grizzlies, if they continue to win, their RPI will continue to go up. 50% of the RPI is based on your opponents record, so besides Weber and EWU, every other team was right around .500 coming into conference. And with EWU playing a tough schedule, wins against them are better than their record indicates. And since the Griz opponents out of conference had a .405 winning percentage, BSC play will actually increase that number and improve the RPI, believe it or not. The key is that the Griz can't afford to lose home games and they need to pick up as many road games as possible. As an example, if the Griz win their next 3 road games, they'd find themselves anywhere from 60 - 75 in the RPI.
Hopefully what happens is that teams like Utah Valley State, Mississippi Valley State, UC Riverside and especially LMU (since we played them twice) pick up a decent amount of conference wins. That would help boost UM's RPI quite a bit, since their winning percentages are so low going into conference.
As for the Grizzlies, if they continue to win, their RPI will continue to go up. 50% of the RPI is based on your opponents record, so besides Weber and EWU, every other team was right around .500 coming into conference. And with EWU playing a tough schedule, wins against them are better than their record indicates. And since the Griz opponents out of conference had a .405 winning percentage, BSC play will actually increase that number and improve the RPI, believe it or not. The key is that the Griz can't afford to lose home games and they need to pick up as many road games as possible. As an example, if the Griz win their next 3 road games, they'd find themselves anywhere from 60 - 75 in the RPI.
Hopefully what happens is that teams like Utah Valley State, Mississippi Valley State, UC Riverside and especially LMU (since we played them twice) pick up a decent amount of conference wins. That would help boost UM's RPI quite a bit, since their winning percentages are so low going into conference.
Yeah, the RPI is a tenuous thing really. You have to hope that your schedule strength holds out when teams get into conference.
Teams that will help the UofM's strength of schedule...
1. Stanford- The more they win, the better our win looks both from an RPI standpiont and from a quality win.
2. Santa Clara- If they finish second or third in the WCC and win a few games they will help us a ton since it was on the road in terms of quality wins.
3. Drake- plays in one of the toughest mid major conferences. As long as they continue to win in conference. Again on the road.
Teams that will hurt the UofM strength of schedule
1. Wisconsin-Millwaukee (if they go to tank in their conference) HIghly unlikely though. They are damn good.
2. Boise State (Same)
3. Riverside (mostly because I don't know they will win more than four or five games in conference)
THe problem really is that the UofM's rpi doesn't stand to benefit much by beating BSC teams. At least in the sense they won't beat a 15 rpi team in the nation. They keep winning their RPI will go up as Gym Rat noted.
Best course of advice, win out at home. Go at least 4-2 or 5-1 on the road.
Teams that will help the UofM's strength of schedule...
1. Stanford- The more they win, the better our win looks both from an RPI standpiont and from a quality win.
2. Santa Clara- If they finish second or third in the WCC and win a few games they will help us a ton since it was on the road in terms of quality wins.
3. Drake- plays in one of the toughest mid major conferences. As long as they continue to win in conference. Again on the road.
Teams that will hurt the UofM strength of schedule
1. Wisconsin-Millwaukee (if they go to tank in their conference) HIghly unlikely though. They are damn good.
2. Boise State (Same)
3. Riverside (mostly because I don't know they will win more than four or five games in conference)
THe problem really is that the UofM's rpi doesn't stand to benefit much by beating BSC teams. At least in the sense they won't beat a 15 rpi team in the nation. They keep winning their RPI will go up as Gym Rat noted.
Best course of advice, win out at home. Go at least 4-2 or 5-1 on the road.
Also wanted to point out that Gonzaga travels to Santa Clara tonight. The game is on ESPN at 10pm. Hopefully SCU can give them a good game.
grizfan_#2
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i'm kinda confused on rpi...is it people ranking teams or what? how exactly does it work?
SactoHornetFan
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Its finally nice to be getting votes in this poll. I agree, Pacific's ranking is a sham.
Also, our RPI improved after this weekend as a result of our wins. We were in the 170's I think. Stanfurd winning also helps us because we beat Davis, though, it doens't help out to the extent of your win over The Furd. But it counts towards that 25% mark.
Also, our RPI improved after this weekend as a result of our wins. We were in the 170's I think. Stanfurd winning also helps us because we beat Davis, though, it doens't help out to the extent of your win over The Furd. But it counts towards that 25% mark.
SactoHornetFan
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Its finally nice to be getting votes in this poll. I agree, Pacific's ranking is a sham.
Also, our RPI improved after this weekend as a result of our wins. We were in the 170's I think. Stanfurd winning also helps us because we beat Davis, though, it doens't help out to the extent of your win over The Furd. But it counts towards that 25% mark.
Also, our RPI improved after this weekend as a result of our wins. We were in the 170's I think. Stanfurd winning also helps us because we beat Davis, though, it doens't help out to the extent of your win over The Furd. But it counts towards that 25% mark.
SactoHornetFan
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Its finally nice to be getting votes in this poll. I agree, Pacific's ranking is a sham.
Also, our RPI improved after this weekend as a result of our wins. We were in the 170's I think. Stanfurd winning also helps us because we beat Davis, though, it doens't help out to the extent of your win over The Furd. But it counts towards that 25% mark.
Also, our RPI improved after this weekend as a result of our wins. We were in the 170's I think. Stanfurd winning also helps us because we beat Davis, though, it doens't help out to the extent of your win over The Furd. But it counts towards that 25% mark.
Brief, hopefully somewhat understandable explanation:
25% is your weighted winning percentage. Home wins count for 0.6, road wins for 1.4. Opposite for losses. So Montana is 12-2 right now. According to the RPI they are 9.2-2, for a winning percentage of 0.8214. Non D-1 wins don't count, 4 road wins * 1.4 = 5.6, 6 home wins * 0.6 = 3.6, 1 road loss * 0.6 = 0.6, 1 home loss * 1.4 = 1.4. Grand total is 9.2 wins and 2 losses. So that accounts for 0.2054 of UMs RPI.
50% is your opponents records. This is not weighted. Right now UMs opponents are 62-91 for a winning percentage of 0.4052. This accounts for 0.2026 of UMs RPI.
25% is your opponents opponents records. Once again, not weighted. I don't have that number, but that's where the remaining 0.1415 of UMs RPI is added in.
So there you are, UMs RPI of 0.5495!
25% is your weighted winning percentage. Home wins count for 0.6, road wins for 1.4. Opposite for losses. So Montana is 12-2 right now. According to the RPI they are 9.2-2, for a winning percentage of 0.8214. Non D-1 wins don't count, 4 road wins * 1.4 = 5.6, 6 home wins * 0.6 = 3.6, 1 road loss * 0.6 = 0.6, 1 home loss * 1.4 = 1.4. Grand total is 9.2 wins and 2 losses. So that accounts for 0.2054 of UMs RPI.
50% is your opponents records. This is not weighted. Right now UMs opponents are 62-91 for a winning percentage of 0.4052. This accounts for 0.2026 of UMs RPI.
25% is your opponents opponents records. Once again, not weighted. I don't have that number, but that's where the remaining 0.1415 of UMs RPI is added in.
So there you are, UMs RPI of 0.5495!
Was looking at the top 25 teams in the 01/09/06 Mid Major poll & noticed the Colonial & Missouri Valley are well represented.
COLONIAL (11 members)
#4 Old Dominion
#12 Hofstra
#16 Drexel
#17 UNC-Wilmington
#19 George Mason
#24 VCU
MISSOURI VALLEY (10 members)
#2 North Iowa
#6 Wichita State
#11 Southern Illinois
#13 Missouri State
#15 Creighton
Now those are TOUGH conferences.
COLONIAL (11 members)
#4 Old Dominion
#12 Hofstra
#16 Drexel
#17 UNC-Wilmington
#19 George Mason
#24 VCU
MISSOURI VALLEY (10 members)
#2 North Iowa
#6 Wichita State
#11 Southern Illinois
#13 Missouri State
#15 Creighton
Now those are TOUGH conferences.
TrueGriz
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grizfan_#2 said:
It's a formula calculated on team's winning percentage, opponent's winning percentage, and opponent's opponent's winning percentage.
Opponent's winning percentage is 50% of the RPI.
Wins and losses are weighted. wins at home are worth .6. wins on road are 1.4. Losses are reverse. Loss at home is 1.4. Loss on road is .6.
So, if a team wins 1 game at home and loses a game at home, the record would be .6 - 1.4. Instead of a .500 record, it actually is only a .300 winning percentage. Non-division 1 games don't exist. Pretent they never were played.
grizfan_#2
Well-known member
oh ok i kinda get it now, thanks.
So one way that the RPI is somewhat flawed is that you can make up for not winning by playing teams that win a lot of games. The RPI is twice as much based on who you play, as opposed to if you win or not.
Your record is valued the same as the records of your opponents' opponents. So who your opponents play is worth the same of whether you win or not.
It's what the selection committee likes to use, so I guess you have to play by their rules. Ask the Missori Valley Conference how to take advantage of it, because they are definitely exploting a flaw up to this point.
Your record is valued the same as the records of your opponents' opponents. So who your opponents play is worth the same of whether you win or not.
It's what the selection committee likes to use, so I guess you have to play by their rules. Ask the Missori Valley Conference how to take advantage of it, because they are definitely exploting a flaw up to this point.
Oh yeah, Montana has played a neutral court game this year, so its worth 1 point. Oops.
Shakermaker
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Mung said:
He's trying to forget Montana and the DUI he got in Bigfork.
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