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New article: federal harassment complaint filed
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Noooo I don't think he would have fired them for cause. And noooo I didn't read the whole complaint as MOST of it was redacted.
And as far as OCR finding anything, what do you think? Has Engstrom cleaned it up enough? Will the students still complaining about the Universities handling of the matter disappear. Will the vast majority of people who are actually supporting Engstrom for trying to put an end to the atmoshpere created by the athletic department suddenly be silenced. Will the person reading the complaint be oblivious to massive amount of press (negative) nationally and internationally?
Will they be oblivious to vision of the athletic director coming to the local newspaper with pictures of injuries from a players assault of a female to show it wasn't that bad?
Maybe we all have the answers but does someone sitting in Seattle? Its a 50-50 chance its a woman, virtually 100% chance she or someone she knows has been a victim of sexual assault.
If the person making the complaint seems to have a "low IQ" as you suggest and makes any statement to the effect she was a possible victim will that disqualify her or will it really piss someone off?
So many questions, and no I don't have any more answers than that person at OCR, But one of us two has the authority to demand them.........
And as far as OCR finding anything, what do you think? Has Engstrom cleaned it up enough? Will the students still complaining about the Universities handling of the matter disappear. Will the vast majority of people who are actually supporting Engstrom for trying to put an end to the atmoshpere created by the athletic department suddenly be silenced. Will the person reading the complaint be oblivious to massive amount of press (negative) nationally and internationally?
Will they be oblivious to vision of the athletic director coming to the local newspaper with pictures of injuries from a players assault of a female to show it wasn't that bad?
Maybe we all have the answers but does someone sitting in Seattle? Its a 50-50 chance its a woman, virtually 100% chance she or someone she knows has been a victim of sexual assault.
If the person making the complaint seems to have a "low IQ" as you suggest and makes any statement to the effect she was a possible victim will that disqualify her or will it really piss someone off?
So many questions, and no I don't have any more answers than that person at OCR, But one of us two has the authority to demand them.........
tnt said:
I can't imagine that anyone would sue the university over what I've seen in the papers. There aren't any sexual assault matters that the university didn't investigate. If you don't complain to the university in the first place, you sure can't sure the U for not investigating.
You sure have an active imagination. By the way, where are all those citations for civil penalties and fines that the OCR can assess?
Yeah, let’s not personalize this and blame Gwen Florio – the Missoulian is responsible for what gets printed, not the beat writers.
It was a terrible news story.
My wife saw the headline, and asked me what the story was about, because she didn’t want to read it. I said, “I read it twice, and I have no idea.”
Wouldn’t you think the paper would have dug a little deeper and at least reported on whether or not this was a sexual harassment case filed by an employee or a former employee? There is no way you could tell from reading the story.
It’s just irresponsible journalism. The Missoulian apparently sees itself as a blog now, not a newspaper. It’s apparently only interested in clicks on a website. It’s just sad – I used to respect the Missoulian.
It was a terrible news story.
My wife saw the headline, and asked me what the story was about, because she didn’t want to read it. I said, “I read it twice, and I have no idea.”
Wouldn’t you think the paper would have dug a little deeper and at least reported on whether or not this was a sexual harassment case filed by an employee or a former employee? There is no way you could tell from reading the story.
It’s just irresponsible journalism. The Missoulian apparently sees itself as a blog now, not a newspaper. It’s apparently only interested in clicks on a website. It’s just sad – I used to respect the Missoulian.
PlayerRep said:
I can't imagine that anyone would sue the university over what I've seen in the papers. There aren't any sexual assault matters that the university didn't investigate. If you don't complain to the university in the first place, you sure can't sure the U for not investigating.
You sure have an active imagination. By the way, where are all those citations for civil penalties and fines that the OCR can assess?[/quote]
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/dear_colleague_sexual_violence.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Page 16.
You might want to read earlier in the document about a SINGLE incident being enough to create a hostile environment. I'm sure you know what department of justice litigation involves.
And no I can't imagine why any of the girls would want to sue someone.
Gaeilge1 said:
Good luck trying to sue the police/prosecution for not investigating or bringing charges. That either can't, or virtually can't, be done.
As for the University, where did anyone allege that the University didn't investigate or pursue matters against UM athletes?
getgrizzy said:
The fact the Wilson was acquitted of murder does not change the fact that he was a gang-banger from the hood, and should have never been recruited by UM, nor allowed back on the team the second time.
Ray Lewis is idolized now, yet he got away with murdering two people in Atlanta. Being acquitted does not mean you are not guilty, or a high-quality individual. In many cases it just means that you beat the rap.
AllWeatherFan said:
Grudgingly, l agree completely. Good post!
With regard to my previous remarks on Gwen Florio it was not my intent to blame her for anything. But based on today's article, which by it's very nature begs the question, has she lost her objectivity with regard to this issue? I don't know the answer, but again, based on today's article, someone down at the Missoulian is not doing their job correctly. Whether that is Florio, or her editor, or the general editor I don't know.
There appear to be a number of assumptions made or at least alluded to based on the redacted parts of the complaint that speculate on what was formally contained in the complaint. The fact that a complaint has been filed is news, however that could have been covered in about three paragraphs.
There appear to be a number of assumptions made or at least alluded to based on the redacted parts of the complaint that speculate on what was formally contained in the complaint. The fact that a complaint has been filed is news, however that could have been covered in about three paragraphs.
tnt said:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/dear_colleague_sexual_violence.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Page 16.
You might want to read earlier in the document about a SINGLE incident being enough to create a hostile environment. I'm sure you know what department of justice litigation involves.
And no I can't imagine why any of the girls would want to sue someone.[/quote]
I'm familiar with the Dear Colleague letter. I also have dealt with employment lawyers every week of my life for over 35 years. I understand sexual harassment/assault under Title IX, and know that it is highly highly unlikely (based on what I've read) that any of these women would be able to bring a credible legal action that would get anywhere. On the other hand, people bring non-credible actions that don't get anywhere, from time to time.
What are you OMGing about? I don't agree with pretty much everthing Growler says, but I don't see any lie or propaganda being spewed by Growler here. He is spot on both wilson and Ray Lewis killed people and got off. Doesn't that explain why they both continued to play football?'68griz said:
IdaGriz01
Well-known member
Old news -- three months old. The Feds are slow, but not that slow. If there were any real substance to the complaint, they would have acted, in some way, long ago. Of course, now that the media has jumped on it, they'll feel compelled to find something they can criminalize. I hope whoever gets caught in the cross-fire has the money for a good lawyer.Gaeilge1 said:
mtgrizrule
Well-known member
Fact is, nobody on this board knows what really happened in the Ray Lewis, or the Jimmy Wilson incidents, as for how they happened. They both went through the legal process, and in turn free men, taking advantage of their 2nd chances. It really pisses me off when anyone implies these 2, or anyone is guilty, yet found innocent in the legal process.
