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NDSU is gone

701Grizfan said:
I liked it better under the moniker of NCAA -1AA. It just sounded cooler to me. LOL. There’s the P4 and then basically everybody else in some form or fashion.
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NCAA FB has four champions in descending order of quality. It should be:

FBS=DI
FCS=DII
DII=DIII
DIII-DIV

As for the 'P4 and everybody else' thing, I agree that it can seem that way in some form or fashion, but the fact that JMU had a greater than zero percent chance to win it all means they belong in the same division. Same with UM's bball programs if they make the tournament. Very unlikely, but statistically possible.

If the only thing "Division I" about a CFB team is the championship its basketball team can play for, what are we doing?
 
It should be 1-A (P4) 1-AA (G6) and 1-AAA (current FCS). That puts the Griz in tier 3……are we really okay as Griz fans that the football team competes in the third tier? That’s what it is, we feel better about FCS because there is only “two levels” of D1 college football. The reality is that the FBS level is made up of two tiers, whether or not it is officially classified as such.
 
BrownBear9501 said:
It should be 1-A (P4) 1-AA (G6) and 1-AAA (current FCS). That puts the Griz in tier 3……are we really okay as Griz fans that the football team competes in the third tier? That’s what it is, we feel better about FCS because there is only “two levels” of D1 college football. The reality is that the FBS level is made up of two tiers, whether or not it is officially classified as such.
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Do you think G6 considers themselves as being in D2?
 
mthoopsfan said:
FCS is NOT like D2 before FCS was created. D2 still exists. A huge amount has changed from D2 days. Much better competition in FCS. A large number of football and other scholarships in FCS. Larger stadiums. A larger number of sports, I assume but don't know. More attendance. The teams moving on before 1995 didn't win national championships. Boise State win in 1980, at the Grizzlies beat them 45-28 in 1995. Your statement on that subject is wrong. Playing in FCS means that basketball and the other UM sports are playing in D1, not D2. My god, how could you be so wrong?
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FCS is the TEMU of D1 football man. It's our dirty little secret. We love to talk about the great product knowing it's really just a pig wearing lipstick.

FCS football, like TEMU, is something we just can't stop buying because, well, it looks like the real thing, is inexpensive, and dadgum if we just don't have a lot of fun with those fun little gee gaws and doodads, but we all know when it comes down to it the FCS is not, never has been and never will be the FBS. D2 is the Ali Baba of football.
 
BrownBear9501 said:
It should be 1-A (P4) 1-AA (G6) and 1-AAA (current FCS). That puts the Griz in tier 3……are we really okay as Griz fans that the football team competes in the third tier? That’s what it is, we feel better about FCS because there is only “two levels” of D1 college football. The reality is that the FBS level is made up of two tiers, whether or not it is officially classified as such.
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I'll push back on that notion because the G6 has a chance, no matter how remote, of winning the CFP. Also, I think adding a third subdivision to "DI" is kinda wild. At that point, just call the current DIII the "DI-Pixie Dust Division". We're all DI, guys! :ROFLMAO:
 
SinCityGriz2005 said:
FCS is the TEMU of D1 football man. It's our dirty little secret. We love to talk about the great product knowing it's really just a pig wearing lipstick.

FCS football, like TEMU, is something we just can't stop buying because, well, it looks like the real thing, is inexpensive, and dadgum if we just don't have a lot of fun with those fun little gee gaws and doodads, but we all know when it comes down to it the FCS is not, never has been and never will be the FBS. D2 is the Ali Baba of football.
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Maybe for you and your types, but not for me and my friends.
 
Maybe an easier way to make the point is this:
What about the FCS is DI?
(Rules: Cannot mention any sport other than CFB).
 
SinCityGriz2005 said:
FCS is the TEMU of D1 football man. It's our dirty little secret. We love to talk about the great product knowing it's really just a pig wearing lipstick.

FCS football, like TEMU, is something we just can't stop buying because, well, it looks like the real thing, is inexpensive, and dadgum if we just don't have a lot of fun with those fun little gee gaws and doodads, but we all know when it comes down to it the FCS is not, never has been and never will be the FBS. D2 is the Ali Baba of football.
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FCS is not the TEMU of college football nor is D2 the Ali Baba. For one the FBS as a whole are not recruiting local high school players anymore the same as FCS and D2. The FBS is recruiting nationally with high annual turnover with either your best players leaving in the G6 or the best G6 players coming in every year in the P4 and your benchwarmers transferring down to G6 and FCS. Here in Colorado having relationships with the FCS and D2 schools is a lot more important for high school coaches because the 2 traditional FBS schools barely recruit in state players.
 
TheNorthRemembers said:
It makes sense for NDSU to move up. Fan interest is waning. They've got nothing at all left to prove at the FCS level. They routinely knock off FBS teams.

UM moving up to FBS will be the death of the program. If you guys haven't noticed we can't even dominate the Big Sky conference anymore. We will not fill the stadium when we are 4-7 hosting UNLV on a Tuesday night. I get that everyone is terrified that we get left behind but the grass is not always greener. I love what we have in FCS football.
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Let's say SDSU follows NDSU, and then MSU manages to convince the BoR to leave us behind. If we weren't already the "other" school in Montana by now, that'll certainly cement it.

Cats would be at the highest level in their new 30,000+ stadium, and we'd be playing Tennessee Tech and Northern Colorado. Tell me how filled that stadium's gonna be. The Griz fanbase is already aging (in my mind), and the younger demographics are going to be more and more Cats-centric. If they're FBS and we're FCS that trend will be turbo-charged.
 
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mthoopsfan said:
Do you think G6 considers themselves as being in D2?
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Cowboys84 said:
Sensing alot of sour grapes here, if Montana were to be invited tommorow to the MWC conference you would be happier to see them say no and stay in the Big Sky?

Totally hypothetical here but if it were Montana instead of NDSU.. what nonconference schedule gets you more excited about the upcoming 2026 season.

A- home game with the Drake Bulldogs and an away game vs Oregon state Beavers

B- Potentially a game at Lsu tigers in front of 90,000 plus, hosting Montana State, at San diego State Aztecs and lastly hosting a team like Marshall thundering herd..pretty easy for me.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I would much rather watch Montana play in the MWC. The travel alone is reason enough for me.

Hawaii? Yes please and a little longboarding and Loco Moco to go with it.
UNLV? Uh yes... Fremont here I come!
UTEP? Great Mexican food.
UN-R? Why not hit Lake Tahoe.
Air Force? I can hit the BX while I'm there.
Not interested in the rest of the MWC.

The PAC12? First of all, Montana WAS in the PAC for 26 years. Better games for sure, but not as great for traveling. Really, who wants to go to Boise, Fresno, Corvallis, Fort Collins, Logan? No thanks.
 
Many on here want the p4 to leave the NCAA and then a middle or 2nd level of football forms. They hope we will be in the 2nd level with most g6 teams. Well that middle is forming now. NDSU, UC Davis, and Sac state are desperately trying to stay in the 2nd tier of college football. You will have to increase budgets significantly to be in the 2nd tier of teams. Their budgets are not falling to the FCS level of funding. If you can't afford it, you fall to the 3rd level of college football. That may be where UM and MSU are headed.
 
Silenoz said:
Let's say SDSU follows NDSU, and then MSU manages to convince the BoR to leave us behind. If we weren't already the "other" school in Montana by now, that'll certainly cement it.

Cats would be at the highest level in their new 30,000+ stadium, and we'd be playing Tennessee Tech and Northern Colorado. Tell me how filled that stadium's gonna be? The Griz fanbase will grow older, and the younger demographics are going to be raised as Cats.
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This is really the only thing about this whole situation that worries me.

Money is POURING into that place, and at a certain point, if we can't keep up, they're just going to argue that we're holding them back.

If the BOR believes them and thinks they should move up, I could see them let them go without us if it is indeed true that we can't foreseeably afford to also do so.

And that would be the worst possible thing that could happen to our school.
 
As far as the playoffs. Yes I know the excuses why they don't sell out but there is a lot of people saying they don't wanna move up because of the playoffs. If it means that much why don't they sell out. Not make excuses why. I do understand the excuses, travel, weather, last minute. But damn app st and ndsu come in on the semis. The excuses stop and the stadium is full. The excuses don't hold up if the playoffs are that important.
As far as d2 teams. There are a lot more d2 move ups that don't move the meter. No. Co, Portland st, Utah tech, S Utah. That is just the big sky. Not back east where missoula county stadium makes there stadium pathetic. Yes there is few great d2 team that move up but they don't plan to stay in the fcs forever. Liberty, coastal car., Tarleton, Ndsu, sdsu. They view the fcs as a stepping stone. Some make it, some don't. It take commitment from the program. But there is a lot more that don't do anything.
 
uofmman1122 said:
This is really the only thing about this whole situation that worries me.

Money is POURING into that place, and at a certain point, if we can't keep up, they're just going to argue that we're holding them back.

If the BOR believes them and thinks they should move up, I could see them let them go without us if it is indeed true that we can't foreseeably afford to also do so.

And that would be the worst possible thing that could happen to our school.
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I would find this scenario if it happened very ironic after back in 2012, Montana had received a lone invitation to the WAC while MSU was kinda just meh, and Montana turned down that invitation because we were tied to the hip to MSU.
 
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