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NCAA whitepaper - UM should seek REVIEW of NCAA's sanctions

gawd you are an insufferable prima donna with a persecution complex. you might find more agreement with your posts if you canned the girly histrionics.
 
argh! said:
gawd you are an insufferable prima donna with a persecution complex. you might find more agreement with your posts if you canned the girly histrionics.
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From you, I'm flattered, but don't let it go to your head.
 
...you could see it waz bullsiht...
...az it waz unfolding...
...beat this drum...

... :protesst: ...
 
UMGriz75 said:
argh! said:
gawd you are an insufferable prima donna with a persecution complex. you might find more agreement with your posts if you canned the girly histrionics.
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From you, I'm flattered, but don't let it go to your head.
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He obviously never played the game...
 
http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/griz-boosters-ask-um-to-appeal-ncaa-scholarship-sanction/25313224" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Well said Brint.
All they need to do is ask! The facts, circumstances and environment around the NCAA are all in UM's favor.
Seems to be coming to a clear choice;
- Demonstrate support through action, or
- Continue making the same vapid, meaningless statements (..."we are working hard to comply..." well of course!? Would we not? or ..."we are considering the matter"... for how long, what is the process, who is involved, when is a decision expected.)
UM is in full "spin" mode; smile a lot, keep telling the fans, boosters, donors how much you love them but say nothing of substance, and do even less.
Time to raise the volume to let them know we want action now.
 
mtgrizrule said:
BWahlberg said:
http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/griz-boosters-ask-um-to-appeal-ncaa-scholarship-sanction/25313224
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Thanks, wish the U of M would do something. What does it hurt to try?
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Exactly - this is an easy win/win for RE and Haslam. NCAA backs down and you win support from all in Grizland. (except some on EGriz, of course)

or

NCAA shoots you down and you can show that what you did was go up against unreasonable monopolistic tyrants and had no chance to do any better than you did originally.

Really has nothing to lose by trying and a lot to gain.
 
Well, they seem to be taking their sweet time coming to a decision. I wonder if this one will require an outside study? There's a pattern here. Even straightforward decisions encounter difficulty in being made as soon as the process involves Main Hall.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Well, they seem to be taking their sweet time coming to a decision. I wonder if this one will require an outside study? There's a pattern here. Even straightforward decisions encounter difficulty in being made as soon as the process involves Main Hall.
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Are they? Seemed perfectly clear they were going to leave it lay. They also made it clear they were distancing themselves from the boosters.

Thats what the petition was about. Whether the penalties were apprpriate or not, I'm not thinking the University wants to negotiate penalties that came from booster involvement with the team because the boosters pressured them to do so...

That seems to have a whole different dynamic.
 
i would think by now most would know that RE will go down as the worst leader ever in the history of montana past and furture.that said , i told everyone the day RE was hired this is what would happen to the program. he did this to msu and it took 20 years to get over his leadership and until he leaves this university it will continue to degrade to nothing and that is when he will retire after he has totally destroyed this football program.
almost anyone could do the type of job RE is doing at montana, has anyone gone on more trips in their short time as leader as RE has on the back of montanan? nice try but this is no leader and he will just sit on his ass rather than fight for justice.
 
The problem is, Engstrom may not have read and understood the "agreement."

"U. of Montana President Didn’t Know Names of Students Who Miss Sexual Harassment Training Would Be Sent to DOJ"

"University of Montana students and professors are uneasy with the climate of self-censorship that is already developing following the university’s resolution agreement with the Departments of Justice (DOJ) and Education (ED), reports the UM student newspaper, Montana Kaimin.

"Reporter Ashley Nerbovig captures several perspectives on problematic aspects of the resolution agreement and UM’s new policies, including provisions (PDF) requiring that the school send DOJ the names of students and professors who do not complete training sessions on sexual harassment and assault. The article contains a particularly startling piece of information concerning President Royce Engstrom:

[President Engstrom] said on Thursday that he hadn’t realized there was a possibility of student’s names being sent to the DOJ, but that he is not involved in all the nuances of the document.

"That seems like a pretty big oversight. The resolution agreement plainly states:

[T]he University will provide [the United States with] the date and duration of each student training session required by this Agreement; … and a list of any students who have yet to participate in the online or in-person training required by Section VIII.D."

http://www.thefire.org/u-of-montana-president-didnt-know-names-of-students-who-miss-sexual-harassment-training-would-be-sent-to-doj/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;\

He hadn't read and understood the DOJ Settlement Agreement.

Did he even read the NCAA "settlement?"
 
UMGriz75 said:
The problem is, Engstrom may not have read and understood the "agreement."

"U. of Montana President Didn’t Know Names of Students Who Miss Sexual Harassment Training Would Be Sent to DOJ"

"University of Montana students and professors are uneasy with the climate of self-censorship that is already developing following the university’s resolution agreement with the Departments of Justice (DOJ) and Education (ED), reports the UM student newspaper, Montana Kaimin.

"Reporter Ashley Nerbovig captures several perspectives on problematic aspects of the resolution agreement and UM’s new policies, including provisions (PDF) requiring that the school send DOJ the names of students and professors who do not complete training sessions on sexual harassment and assault. The article contains a particularly startling piece of information concerning President Royce Engstrom:

[President Engstrom] said on Thursday that he hadn’t realized there was a possibility of student’s names being sent to the DOJ, but that he is not involved in all the nuances of the document.

"That seems like a pretty big oversight. The resolution agreement plainly states:

[T]he University will provide [the United States with] the date and duration of each student training session required by this Agreement; … and a list of any students who have yet to participate in the online or in-person training required by Section VIII.D."

http://www.thefire.org/u-of-montana-president-didnt-know-names-of-students-who-miss-sexual-harassment-training-would-be-sent-to-doj/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;\

He hadn't read and understood the DOJ Settlement Agreement.

Did he even read the NCAA "settlement?"
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This has what to do with the NCAA? You can't hardly register for the current semester without completing the 10 minute course let alone following semesters making it rather moot. Maybe professors should spend more time teaching and students more time studying rather than throwing red herring at main hall
 
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