NCAA Should Issue Formal Apology to UM, for bad refs

[Walkon79]

That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.

Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.

They would have had momentum, that's true, but as someone else pointed out if the Griz score there the rest of the game may have played out differently, ie the CCU game plan for starters.

 

[poorgriz]

I agree with GrizBacker in the sense that it's hard to have a wrinkle like that thrown into your gameplanning as a referee. Our level of football does not have instant replay. You can study the rules, prepare yourself as best you can but I can gaurantee you the only way to really be a good ref is experience, because it's one thing to know the rules and another to implement, recognize, actually make the calls, use your judgment, etc. What if none of the guys had ever done a game with instant replay? You are the white hat, you have a guy come to you and say he got a page from upstairs before the snap to review the previous play?

I'm not saying they got it right, I don't think they did, but that is a tough spot to put a crew in and to call it incompetence is a bit harsh IMO.

It was incompetence. They had plenty of time to get the "call" right. Everyone is stadium knew the basics of the rule except for them.

If you are going to support refs who make a major blunder like this, you must be a crappy ref. You probably don't have enough understanding of officiating and the game, to be on the field, even in a high school game.

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[poorgriz]

That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.

Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.

You guys are too much! It's actually quite entertaining, really. :lol: Ok, if you're going to say it's a slam dunk that you would have scored a TD there without a doubt, I'll go ahead and say then that there was no way in hell CC wouldn't have woken up, taken that next drive, driven down the field and scored a TD, then finished the game taking it to you behind the woodshed and having their way with you just like they did in the first half when they got out to a 35 to 14 lead and relaxed. BTW, I "played the game" at a fairly HIGH level. Let's just say I was a pretty big deal. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Eriul]

That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.

Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.

They would have had momentum, that's true, but as someone else pointed out if the Griz score there the rest of the game may have played out differently, ie the CCU game plan for starters.

Spare us the bullshit that ccu was "so much better and if they tried they coulda easily put up more points." We can talk about the only jj interception too if you want. Or how about the excessive celebration penalty on us when their celebrations were more. Or the "block in the back" calls. Or the fact that their ONLY penalty came from the SIDE judge and not even the bak judge who was 5 feet behind the OBVIOUS penalty. The refs were horrible and played a bigger role in the game than the CLEAR ref blunder they made that IN ALL LIKELYHOOD would have been a Td. It was a close game but anyone with a brain can't tell you which team was "better." The refs took away the opportunity for us to find out who the better team was and that's why the NCAA should apologize to everyone but most importantly our players.

 

[Eriul]

That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.

Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.

You guys are too much! It's actually quite entertaining, really. :lol: Ok, if you're going to say it's a slam dunk that you would have scored a TD there without a doubt, I'll go ahead and say then that there was no way in hell CC wouldn't have woken up, taken that next drive, driven down the field and scored a TD, then finished the game taking it to you behind the woodshed and having their way with you just like they did in the first half when they got out to a 35 to 14 lead and relaxed. BTW, I "played the game" at a fairly HIGH level. Let's just say I was a pretty big deal. :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is the most retarded post I've ever read. Please never post again.

 

[Sportin' Life]

That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.

Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.

If UM had so much momentum why couldn't they score with a first and ten from the 17? If you answer that the call mentally affected them, then you have the answer as to why the Griz are sitting home this weekend.

 

[Walkon79]

That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.

Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.

They would have had momentum, that's true, but as someone else pointed out if the Griz score there the rest of the game may have played out differently, ie the CCU game plan for starters.

Spare us the bullshit that ccu was "so much better and if they tried they coulda easily put up more points." We can talk about the only jj interception too if you want. Or how about the excessive celebration penalty on us when their celebrations were more. Or the "block in the back" calls. Or the fact that their ONLY penalty came from the SIDE judge and not even the bak judge who was 5 feet behind the OBVIOUS penalty. The refs were horrible and played a bigger role in the game than the CLEAR ref blunder they made that IN ALL LIKELYHOOD would have been a Td. It was a close game but anyone with a brain can't tell you which team was "better." The refs took away the opportunity for us to find out who the better team was and that's why the NCAA should apologize to everyone but most importantly our players.

Where did I say ANYBODY was "so much better"? You obviously are not willing to listen to anything semi-reasonable or contraditory.

 

[bigkid]

Poor griz. The outcome of the game is not in question. The competency of this officiating crew is. There were many missteps by these guys. The play you seem to focus in on shows they didn't understand the rules backed up by oversight. If the screen play didn't get run why was time not adjusted to reflect it. These guys had no business being on the field. A game of this magnitude deserves better than them. I agree that we did not play sound football and would of been beat soundly next week but come on these guys were just plain bad.

 

[Eriul]

That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.

Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.

If UM had so much momentum why couldn't they score with a first and ten from the 17? If you answer that the call mentally affected them, then you have the answer as to why the Griz are sitting home this weekend.

It's more of a question of the momentum had we scored following the Td we WOULD have scored

 

[Walkon79]

I will say that this has been an entertaining Monday morning. See ya in 2014! Walkon, out.

 

[CatzWillRise]

I'm going to give you, PlayerRep, the same line you give everyone else, I will just modify a word.

You obviously never played (reffed) the game.

That... felt... good. :lol:

 

[rgrizfan]

It was a bad call no doubt.

But you guys do realize that they did not take away a touchdown, right? Yes it was 1st and goal form the 2 or whatever, but didn't JJ fumble on the 3 yard line against NAU and NAU returned it for a TD?

Points were not guaranteed there. Likely, but not certain.

I do not care if the Griz ended up losing by 100 points...the refs changed the rules of the game and need to be reprimanded for doing so.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Did that play make a difference, don't know. How about this play it is 4th and 9 in the third quarter. The Griz throw a pass it is ruled incomplete on about the 8 yard line. It is over turned by the replay officials, and as you can see he i juggling the ball on the way out of bounds. As the announcers say definitely not a catch. By rule you need "indisputable video evidence". Did this play make a difference? Definitely it would have been turned over on downs. Instead the Griz score four plays later, making the score 35-21 instead of 35-14.
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[Eriul]

Did that play make a difference, don't know. How about this play it is 4th and 9 in the third quarter. The Griz throw a pass it is ruled incomplete on about the 8 yard line. It is over turned by the replay officials, and as you can see he i juggling the ball on the way out of bounds. As the announcers say definitely not a catch. By rule you need "indisputable video evidence". Did this play make a difference? Definitely it would have been turned over on downs. Instead the Griz score four plays later, making the score 35-21 instead of 35-14.
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When I was watching in real time it was too close for me and the replay I couldn't tell. But the refs obviously saw something that overturned the call. But if you wanna go shot for shot on missed calls, jjs only interception was on their side of the field where the defensive player who hit him was offsides. Would that change the game if that wasn't an interception? Hell yah. That's why people are bitching the refs were a HUGE factor in the game which is against everything they should be.

 

[poorgriz]

That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.

Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.

They would have had momentum, that's true, but as someone else pointed out if the Griz score there the rest of the game may have played out differently, ie the CCU game plan for starters.

Spare us the bullshit that ccu was "so much better and if they tried they coulda easily put up more points." We can talk about the only jj interception too if you want. Or how about the excessive celebration penalty on us when their celebrations were more. Or the "block in the back" calls. Or the fact that their ONLY penalty came from the SIDE judge and not even the bak judge who was 5 feet behind the OBVIOUS penalty. The refs were horrible and played a bigger role in the game than the CLEAR ref blunder they made that IN ALL LIKELYHOOD would have been a Td. It was a close game but anyone with a brain can't tell you which team was "better." The refs took away the opportunity for us to find out who the better team was and that's why the NCAA should apologize to everyone but most importantly our players.

I can promise you, your players know who the better team was that day and are not blaming the loss on a reffing mistake. That would be you and PR.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

The point is the game was not decided by refs. You can complain and call something on every play. But this idea of formal apologies, and crap is ridiculous. The Griz lost the game, correction, Coastal Carolina won the game. Plain and simple.

 

[poorgriz]

Poor griz. The outcome of the game is not in question. The competency of this officiating crew is. There were many missteps by these guys. The play you seem to focus in on shows they didn't understand the rules backed up by oversight. If the screen play didn't get run why was time not adjusted to reflect it. These guys had no business being on the field. A game of this magnitude deserves better than them. I agree that we did not play sound football and would of been beat soundly next week but come on these guys were just plain bad.

I know that... but some griz fans do not. There are some fans out there that are honestly saying that if not for that reffing mistake... the griz likely would have won the game.

I agree it wasn't a perfectly reffed game, and niether was Cat\griz this year. There were two terrible calls that went against the Cats.. that could very well have changed the momentum of the game if we would have caught a break, but it didn't happen. I can't bring myself to post that we would have won Cat\griz if not for those calls.

 

[Eriul]

The point is the game was not decided by refs. You can complain and call something on every play. But this idea of formal apologies, and crap is ridiculous. The Griz lost the game, correction, Coastal Carolina won the game. Plain and simple.

Ignoring logic got it. Close game that had more questionable calls go in their favor in extremely crucial moments. Sorry if you don't think those didn't have an effect but you're flat out wrong. Im not saying we would have won but if you don't think the refs severely skewed the outcome in ccu a favor you're delusional.

 

[Eriul]

Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.

They would have had momentum, that's true, but as someone else pointed out if the Griz score there the rest of the game may have played out differently, ie the CCU game plan for starters.

Spare us the bullshit that ccu was "so much better and if they tried they coulda easily put up more points." We can talk about the only jj interception too if you want. Or how about the excessive celebration penalty on us when their celebrations were more. Or the "block in the back" calls. Or the fact that their ONLY penalty came from the SIDE judge and not even the bak judge who was 5 feet behind the OBVIOUS penalty. The refs were horrible and played a bigger role in the game than the CLEAR ref blunder they made that IN ALL LIKELYHOOD would have been a Td. It was a close game but anyone with a brain can't tell you which team was "better." The refs took away the opportunity for us to find out who the better team was and that's why the NCAA should apologize to everyone but most importantly our players.

I can promise you, your players know who the better team was that day and are not blaming the loss on a reffing mistake. That would be you and PR.

Interesting because I actually hung out with a defensive starter yesterday and he actually mimicked my thoughts not yours. And he's actually "kinda a big deal" not someone who just says they are.

 

[Sportin' Life]

Interesting because I actually hung out with a defensive starter yesterday and he actually mimicked my thoughts not yours. And he's actually "kinda a big deal" not someone who just says they are.

Exactly. If their mindset is to whine about a few bad calls rather than make the plays when the opportunity arises, then that is a good insight as to why the Griz lost. Hopefully they turn that attitude around, and in the future take advantage of the opportunities that they do get.