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NCAA Should Issue Formal Apology to UM, for bad refs

At best the NCAA will issue a finding long after the game is forgotten.
I think if you asked Sharkey Cox he would recall Big Sky refs turning in a shit performance at McNeese about 13 years ago.
Quality control starts with the conferences during the regular season. The Big Sky isn't a great enforcer. The calls don't suddenly get better in the playoffs.
 
It was a bad call no doubt.

But you guys do realize that they did not take away a touchdown, right? Yes it was 1st and goal form the 2 or whatever, but didn't JJ fumble on the 3 yard line against NAU and NAU returned it for a TD?

Points were not guaranteed there. Likely, but not certain.
 
CatzWillRise said:
It was a bad call no doubt.

But you guys do realize that they did not take away a touchdown, right? Yes it was 1st and goal form the 2 or whatever, but didn't JJ fumble on the 3 yard line against NAU and NAU returned it for a TD?

Points were not guaranteed there. Likely, but not certain.
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True. That call had nothing to do with the defense giving up 42 points either. I don't care what anyone says. You do not give up 42 points and deserve to win.
 
Maybe, with any luck, we can get the NCAA to suck JJ"s dick in front of Main Hall at noon, too? Sorry fellas, but that one call isn't why the Griz lost. Giving up an 84 yard TD pass....giving up a 51 yard TD run...reverting back to the defense of Sept & Oct....insisting on going for 40 yards when we need 5....THAT'S why we lost. We could have gotten every call in the world Saturday and it ain't enough to compensate for that shitty play calling and execution.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Maybe, with any luck, we can get the NCAA to suck JJ"s dick in front of Main Hall at noon, too? Sorry fellas, but that one call isn't why the Griz lost. Giving up an 84 yard TD pass....giving up a 51 yard TD run...reverting back to the defense of Sept & Oct....insisting on going for 40 yards when we need 5....THAT'S why we lost. We could have gotten every call in the world Saturday and it ain't enough to compensate for that shitty play calling and execution.
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Why don't you take your negative poppycock and go elsewhere? We were screwed by the refs and everyone knows it but you. You don't put up 580 yards of offense and not execute that is insane to even say. They gave up big plays too and if that one TD isn't called back we win that game in OT. Quit playing devils advocate all the time and grow up.
 
Big G said:
AZGrizFan said:
Maybe, with any luck, we can get the NCAA to suck JJ"s dick in front of Main Hall at noon, too? Sorry fellas, but that one call isn't why the Griz lost. Giving up an 84 yard TD pass....giving up a 51 yard TD run...reverting back to the defense of Sept & Oct....insisting on going for 40 yards when we need 5....THAT'S why we lost. We could have gotten every call in the world Saturday and it ain't enough to compensate for that shitty play calling and execution.
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Why don't you take your negative poppycock and go elsewhere? We were screwed by the refs and everyone knows it but you. You don't put up 580 yards of offense and not execute that is insane to even say. They gave up big plays too and if that one TD isn't called back we win that game in OT. Quit playing devils advocate all the time and grow up.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Give him a break, he being a realist. Read his first post. Second, do we forget about the Cal Poly game? The fumble when the QB was actually down, as show by many replays? Everyone said it didn't affect the game because they didn't score, yet it did change momentum and mind set. Without that crappy call, the Griz might not even have been in the playoffs. Bad calls happen all the time. One play, and I don't care if it is the last play of the game, doesnt win or loses it. You probably ran 60+ plays, and each of those could have been a score.

AZ and I went round and round this year, because I play devils advocate. I watch a lot of FCS football. I am in total agreement with his assessment, though it doesn't matter.

AZ like everyone who is on this forum has a right to an opinion, and to voice it, don't ask him to go elsewhere. If you don't like it you can go elsewhere, or don't read it.

Now put either put your pacifer back in your mouth or grow up.
 
Robsnotes4u said:
Give him a break, he being a realist. Read his first post. Second, do we forget about the Cal Poly game? The fumble when the QB was actually down, as show by many replays? Everyone said it didn't affect the game because they didn't score, yet it did change momentum and mind set. Without that crappy call, the Griz might not even have been in the playoffs. Bad calls happen all the time. One play, and I don't care if it is the last play of the game, doesnt win or loses it. You probably ran 60+ plays, and each of those could have been a score.

AZ and I went round and round this year, because I play devils advocate. I watch a lot of FCS football. I am in total agreement with his assessment, though it doesn't matter.

AZ like everyone who is on this forum has a right to an opinion, and to voice it, don't ask him to go elsewhere. If you don't like it you can go elsewhere, or don't read it.

Now put either put your pacifer back in your mouth or grow up.
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Hell, I just assumed he was kidding. :?
 
And it's not like the call was a turnover on downs either. It was 1st and 10 from the 17. A first down in the redzone, and you came away with 0 points.

I ref high school and I realize how bad of a f up the play actually was. But we've had to take plays back due to referee error at this level. It happens, and it pisses everyone off. It happens at all levels of football. Refereeing is flugging hard.

I also believe that the Henderson catch they reviewed was the wrong call. Looks like he clearly had a foot out of bounds when he gained possession after the very quick bobble. I was a bit shocked they overturned that, considering you have to have substantial evidence to overturn a call.
 
That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.
 
TrueCATfan said:
You typical griz fans crack me up. There's always an excuse for everything. How about dealing with reality for a change and acknowledging that the griz got schooled by some southern boys in sub zero temperatures. :cry:
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You mean excuses about your pussy team having injuries, like no one else had any. but then again, you guys don't know much about playoffs since in the last 25 years you have seldom been there, and when you did sneak in you were one and done. go back to bobpussy nation and give one of your fellow pussy boys a hand job you tool
 
CatzWillRise said:
And it's not like the call was a turnover on downs either. It was 1st and 10 from the 17. A first down in the redzone, and you came away with 0 points.

I ref high school and I realize how bad of a f up the play actually was. But we've had to take plays back due to referee error at this level. It happens, and it pisses everyone off. It happens at all levels of football. Refereeing is flugging hard.

I also believe that the Henderson catch they reviewed was the wrong call. Looks like he clearly had a foot out of bounds when he gained possession after the very quick bobble. I was a bit shocked they overturned that, considering you have to have substantial evidence to overturn a call.
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You're right, reffing is hard. The problem I have with this situation is that it wasn't a judgement call, it wasn't a quick decision, it was a reasoned ignoring of the rules. You and I both know that a good white hat would have looked the one guy in the eye and said, if you didn't blow your whistle then it's your mistake within the framework of the rules. There is no way a good white hat lets 1 member, who made no move to stop play (or even flinch before the play), push the rewind button when it's clearly outside of the rules. Not only that but neither they, or the replay official, thought to put time back on the clock, another sign of incompetence. I don't think one play caused the loss, but the fact that people are talking about this so much makes you wonder how much their overall performance impacted the performance of both teams. None of those players, in this game or future games, deserve to have their fate in the hands of incompetent officials come playoff time and this crew should be suspended from further playoff action.
 
Overview......one particular call did not determine the outcome of that game. Montana had numerous chances to win it. The facts regarding the refs is they made many bad calls that influenced the outcome. The trend seems to have gone against Montana. The screw up regarding the play that didn't happen wasn't a "bad call" but seems to have been a missed interpretation of the rules. That is inexcusable at this level and should not happen. The players on both sides have prepared for many painstaking hours and play at a high level and expect the refs to be at that level. These refs were not even close to that. The fans drove miles to the game from as far away as Glendive and expect a hard played independently thinking officiated game. They got half of that. That crew needs to be reprimanded for one of the most poorly officiated PLAYOFF GAME I can remember. Admittedly Montana did not play well that doesn't give these refs a fee ride for doing a horrible job on Saturday. If I were a coach in the round of 8 I would not want those guys on the same field as my players.
 
bigkid said:
Overview......one particular call did not determine the outcome of that game. Montana had numerous chances to win it. The facts regarding the refs is they made many bad calls that influenced the outcome. The trend seems to have gone against Montana. The screw up regarding the play that didn't happen wasn't a "bad call" but seems to have been a missed interpretation of the rules. That is inexcusable at this level and should not happen. The players on both sides have prepared for many painstaking hours and play at a high level and expect the refs to be at that level. These refs were not even close to that. The fans drove miles to the game from as far away as Glendive and expect a hard played independently thinking officiated game. They got half of that. That crew needs to be reprimanded for one of the most poorly officiated PLAYOFF GAME I can remember. Admittedly Montana did not play well that doesn't give these refs a fee ride for doing a horrible job on Saturday. If I were a coach in the round of 8 I would not want those guys on the same field as my players.
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THIS I can agree with. :clap:
 
Screw the formal apology.

Instead, how about the NCAA lifts the "self-imposed" sanctions as a quid pro quo for Saturday's officiating mess?
 
I agree with GrizBacker in the sense that it's hard to have a wrinkle like that thrown into your gameplanning as a referee. Our level of football does not have instant replay. You can study the rules, prepare yourself as best you can but I can gaurantee you the only way to really be a good ref is experience, because it's one thing to know the rules and another to implement, recognize, actually make the calls, use your judgment, etc. What if none of the guys had ever done a game with instant replay? You are the white hat, you have a guy come to you and say he got a page from upstairs before the snap to review the previous play?

I'm not saying they got it right, I don't think they did, but that is a tough spot to put a crew in and to call it incompetence is a bit harsh IMO.
 
This is an easy rule to understand. It's the same at all levels of football. Anyone that has watched any game with replay knows teams rush to get a play off because once a play is run it can't be reviewed. No excuses and plenty of time for a study club if they were unfamiliar.
 
GrizBacker04 said:
That is the problem with not having replay during the regular season and then having it available during the playoffs. Either have it for the entire season or not at all.

However, officials didn't give up 35 first-half points and 42 in the game. Also, even if you give the Griz a TD there, it is only 42-28 and there is no guarantee the rest of the game plays out as it did. Perhaps CCU is a bit more aggressive the rest of the second half.
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Nobody says the refs gave up 35/42 points; can you not just stick to what is being discussed. It is absolutely clear that a stupid ref mistake cost UM 7 points at a critical time. It's not that it was a judgment call or a call made in real time. They had 5 minutes to get it right; they discussed it amongst themselves. And spare us any argument that UM wouldn't have scored from the 2 with 4 downs. UM had CC on its heals. Just had ripped off long yardage on 2 passes. UM had the momentum.
 
CatzWillRise said:
I agree with GrizBacker in the sense that it's hard to have a wrinkle like that thrown into your gameplanning as a referee. Our level of football does not have instant replay. You can study the rules, prepare yourself as best you can but I can gaurantee you the only way to really be a good ref is experience, because it's one thing to know the rules and another to implement, recognize, actually make the calls, use your judgment, etc. What if none of the guys had ever done a game with instant replay? You are the white hat, you have a guy come to you and say he got a page from upstairs before the snap to review the previous play?

I'm not saying they got it right, I don't think they did, but that is a tough spot to put a crew in and to call it incompetence is a bit harsh IMO.
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It was incompetence. They had plenty of time to get the "call" right. Everyone is stadium knew the basics of the rule except for them.

If you are going to support refs who make a major blunder like this, you must be a crappy ref. You probably don't have enough understanding of officiating and the game, to be on the field, even in a high school game.
 
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