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NCAA Sanctions

doebrmn said:
Umista said:
Royce fired O'Day and Pflugrad........that alone will take some of the "punishment" away as it must be accounted for. Otherwise it was a wasted effort by Engstrom. Nothing much was found seriously wrong with UM's athletic program so very little fine/punishment is warranted!

The NCAA so called investigation is a punishment in itself, nothing "big" was found. The best case of "finding" was from reading the Missoulian paper and that was 90% blather.

In my opinion we will be admonished because of error on the part of the President and staff but overall I am content with our athletic department and like all I want to move on.

Again, if this is true why would the AD state publicly that lost scholarships and forfeited games would not be unexpected. Clearly the NCAA has found something "big" enough that the AD has publicly stated he expects lost scholarships and forfeited games. That is not simply an "admonishment because of error on the part of the President and staff."

I have not seen Haslam discuss what any potential penalties may be, if someone has please post a link, but what I have seen is people mistakenly taking Greg Rachac's conjecture and believing it was a quote from the AD due to the poor writing/transition in the article combined with poor reading comprehension...

"Haslam said he “can’t get into the details” of any infractions he suspects the NCAA may levy against the football program, but it won’t come as a surprise if the Griz lose a couple scholarships or are forced to vacate some victories from what was a hugely successful 2011 season."

All Haslam said was "can't get into details", the rest is Greg conjecturing, rightly or wrongly.
 
Northwestsour,

The information is all from these three: Kent Haslam, Royce Engstrom and Jim O'Day.
It is not new information but is as solid as any. Haslam and O'Day visits were this past month.
Further, what Haslam has stated publicly makes sense. We will get hit but in the end we will be fine.
Why? Mostly smoke and mirrors. Toss in the Missoulian/Williams blather and thats about it!
 
EverettGriz said:
Spanky said:
Everett....assuming Haslam has the facts....

I'm under no illusions he has all of them. But after 2 years of questioning, no doubt the Administration and the law firm they've hired have a pretty good notion what the Jokers at the NCAA are looking into as possible infractions.

Do you think? The draft ncaa report has been out for a month or so. Do you think Haslam and others haven't read it?
 
EverettGriz said:
Again, if this is true why would the AD state publicly that lost scholarships and forfeited games would not be unexpected


Because when the NCAA spends 2+ years on your campus, you're going to lose some scholarships. They have to justify that kind of time investment. Believe me, it will happen at UM. It would happen at MSU. It would happen at Stanford. It would happen at Harvard (assuming they gave scholarships). It would happen at God's University, Liberty. It would happen at Holy Sisters Academy.

In other words, Haslam knows that the NCAA is going to level punishment no matter what, even if the worst "infractions" they find are an athlete using extra ketchup on his hot dog and 3 toe-nail clippers in the training room when the NCAA limits a school to two.

Of course, Haslam also said this in the same interview, which you seem to ignore:

There will be some things we’ll need to improve on, but I think we’ll be fine.”

That doesn't sound like the sky is falling. Sorry to disappoint.

Who is disappointed. The point of the post was simply pointing out that based upon the AD's statement the NCAA has found something more than extra ketchup on hot dogs. Whether what they found is true or made up in their heads is not the point. The point is the NCAA has made its determination, which the AD says he is aware of, and it is likely that UM has accepted what they found and proposed sanctions that include lost scholarships and forfeited games. Since there has yet to be an announcement, either the NCAA has not responded or has ask for something more.

Why do you always try to read something more into a post than what is actually posted.
 
doebrmn said:
The point is the NCAA has made its determination, which the AD says he is aware of, and it is likely that UM has accepted what they found and proposed sanctions that include lost scholarships and forfeited games. Since there has yet to be an announcement, either the NCAA has not responded or has ask for something more.
excellent post. you've got it figured out.
 
Seems as if many know about this. When will there be an announcement so the common folks will have the information?
 
Spanky said:
Seems as if many know about this. When will there be an announcement so the common folks will have the information?
probably soon. typically schools accept whatever changes the n.c.a.a. makes to their proposal. unless those changes are too big in the schools opinion or if the school has solid info that shows the n.c.a.a. it's in error.
 
I'll go ahead and take the opposite view. The sanctions (the ones that I don't know exactly what if any they are) are a perfect punishment for the transgression (which also - I don't know what exactly it is). How anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me.
 
Sportin' Life said:
I'll go ahead and take the opposite view. The sanctions (the ones that I don't know exactly what if any they are) are a perfect punishment for the transgression (which also - I don't know what exactly it is). How anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me.
Your premise is therefore that the NCAA is infallible. So you believe charging the girl in Oregon for the water she used to wash her car is fully justified? I don't. If not then there is reason to expect a disproportionate punishment for any infraction.

In my opinion it is useless to "pre-worry" the situation. If anyone can do anything to make it better then please by all means, do so. Otherwise, sit tight and the school (and anyone else affected) will deal with the aftermath. Until then, "don't worry, be happy".
 
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GrizPony said:
The sanctions aren't finalized so they could end up being worse. The problem is that Engstrom won't fight anything in my opinion. I hope there is no post-season ban.
this is similar to what i was saying weeks ago. we're proposing whatever ( schollie reductions, decreased practice time, vacating wins), but they could come back with something worse. i sense pony may be trying to set engstrom up by saying this is worse than deserved.

the n.c.a.a. has three levels of violation. worst is lack of institutional control, then failure to monitor, then secondary violations. if they're saying either of the first two they go public with it. if they're saying secondary violations they don't. since they still haven't gone public yet these are probably secondary. the type of sanctions rumored to be proposed by us fit with secondary violations. we'll see.
 
doebrmn said:
It doesn't take Dick Tracy to at least figure out some of what is going on based on actual news reports. First, you have a major booster that sits on the UM athletic board come out and admit that he has given student athletes improper benefits. We then spent about 5 months arguing over whether there was in fact an ongoing NCAA investigation. Of course no one on this board wanted to believe it, but it didn't take Einstein to figure out that there was an ongoing investigation and of course it was finally announced that in fact there was an NCAA investigation.

Next we hear that UM is sending out letters to GSA members telling people to be mindful of providing free food at tailgates to student athletes because this is considered an improper benefit. Naturally, everyone on this board jumps to the conclusion that giving away hot dogs is the sum total of the NCAA investigation rather than reaching a more logical conclusion that the NCAA is investigating UM for improper benefits to student athletes and UM is covering all the bases, even down to the most inane violation of providing food to student athletes. If this was in fact the sum total of the investigation it would have been announced in an official press conference along with the accepted penalty of something like making sure proper information is given to tailgaters. Instead, nothing more is said meaning this was not the conclusion of the investigation.

Finally, we have the AD come out and basically announce that UM will be subject to at least lost scholarships and forfeited games. Interestingly, no one at the Missoulian has done any follow up reporting on this statement and of course everyone on this board immediately decides this is worst case scenario. Again, the more logical conclusion is that these are the penalties being offered by UM and UM is waiting for a response from the NCAA. The AD is trickling out this information to soften the blow and hoping this will be the result of the investigation. However, more importantly, this statement clearly indicates that UM has likely agreed that NCAA violations have occurred and have agreed on what those violations are and have moved into negotiating a penalty, i.e., this investigation is now in the penalty phase.

Now the only question left is what penalty will be imposed. Based on this discussion and the amount of time between the AD's statements and today (a point that I personally believed we would have heard an announcement) MY GUESS is the hang up is over a post-season ban. Anything else I think UM would have readily accepted to have the investigation over. But a post-season ban has wide reaching consequences. Even though the NCAA gets the majority of the gate, these games bring a lot of dollars into the city. If there is a ban that money is lost and you might also see a trickle down effect to lower season ticket sales and worse, season ticket holders actually not showing up to regular season games because there is no possibility of playoffs, which cost both the University and the city a lot of cash.

Again, this is a Guess, but just taking into consideration reported facts this is likely close to what is going on. The bigger concern for UM fans would be if UM is fighting a multi-year post-season ban because that would mean at a minimum UM would probably accept a one year ban.
This does make sense to me. I just hope like hell it's not a post season ban and god forbid a multiple post season ban. I just can't believe the NCAA has drug out this investigation this long without something significant. The fishing in the Clark Fork is not good enough to keep those investigators busy for that long despite what you guys may think.
 
argh! said:
did somebody say "ignatious j. riley"?

“I suspect that I am the result of particularly weak conception on the part of my father. His sperm was probably emitted in a rather offhand manner.”
 
NCAA is announcing the sanctions for Oregon tomorrow morning... I'm guessing this means that they will be finished with us soon as well.

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In the summary disposition agreement, which the Committee on Infractions rejected in favor of a hearing, the Ducks offered to self-impose a set of sanctions that included one scholarship surrendered for each of two seasons; a reduction by one to the size of their recruiting class for one additional year; two years of probation; and limits on visits made by recruits to Oregon and by UO coaches to high schools.

Oregon’s proposed penalties notably did not include a postseason ban. By holding a hearing, the Committee on Infractions retained the power to levy its own penalties, though it would be a surprise if they deviated significantly from the package the Ducks proposed.

“Severe penalties based on no evidence of Oregon’s intention in the case would be a form of strict liability,” former NCAA compliance officer John Infante wrote on his Bylaw Blog last fall.

I'd say this bodes well for UM.
 
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