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NCAA Sanctions

I'm sober as hell and I can't stop laughing... :lol: :lol: :lol: O.K. a giant soap box derby with a concrete wall 2 feet from the finish line. Winner gets a all expense paid trip to the E.R. This m....r f....r is going no where and it's gaining steam like a run away freight train... :lol: :lol: :lol: :egriz:
 
rimrockgriz said:
I'm sober as hell and I can't stop laughing... :lol: :lol: :lol: O.K. a giant soap box derby with a concrete wall 2 feet from the finish line. Winner gets a all expense paid trip to the E.R. This m....r f....r is going no where and it's gaining steam like a run away freight train... :lol: :lol: :lol: :egriz:

You should consider drinking, because the gibberish you just posted makes zero sense...
 
It doesn't take Dick Tracy to at least figure out some of what is going on based on actual news reports. First, you have a major booster that sits on the UM athletic board come out and admit that he has given student athletes improper benefits. We then spent about 5 months arguing over whether there was in fact an ongoing NCAA investigation. Of course no one on this board wanted to believe it, but it didn't take Einstein to figure out that there was an ongoing investigation and of course it was finally announced that in fact there was an NCAA investigation.

Next we hear that UM is sending out letters to GSA members telling people to be mindful of providing free food at tailgates to student athletes because this is considered an improper benefit. Naturally, everyone on this board jumps to the conclusion that giving away hot dogs is the sum total of the NCAA investigation rather than reaching a more logical conclusion that the NCAA is investigating UM for improper benefits to student athletes and UM is covering all the bases, even down to the most inane violation of providing food to student athletes. If this was in fact the sum total of the investigation it would have been announced in an official press conference along with the accepted penalty of something like making sure proper information is given to tailgaters. Instead, nothing more is said meaning this was not the conclusion of the investigation.

Finally, we have the AD come out and basically announce that UM will be subject to at least lost scholarships and forfeited games. Interestingly, no one at the Missoulian has done any follow up reporting on this statement and of course everyone on this board immediately decides this is worst case scenario. Again, the more logical conclusion is that these are the penalties being offered by UM and UM is waiting for a response from the NCAA. The AD is trickling out this information to soften the blow and hoping this will be the result of the investigation. However, more importantly, this statement clearly indicates that UM has likely agreed that NCAA violations have occurred and have agreed on what those violations are and have moved into negotiating a penalty, i.e., this investigation is now in the penalty phase.

Now the only question left is what penalty will be imposed. Based on this discussion and the amount of time between the AD's statements and today (a point that I personally believed we would have heard an announcement) MY GUESS is the hang up is over a post-season ban. Anything else I think UM would have readily accepted to have the investigation over. But a post-season ban has wide reaching consequences. Even though the NCAA gets the majority of the gate, these games bring a lot of dollars into the city. If there is a ban that money is lost and you might also see a trickle down effect to lower season ticket sales and worse, season ticket holders actually not showing up to regular season games because there is no possibility of playoffs, which cost both the University and the city a lot of cash.

Again, this is a Guess, but just taking into consideration reported facts this is likely close to what is going on. The bigger concern for UM fans would be if UM is fighting a multi-year post-season ban because that would mean at a minimum UM would probably accept a one year ban.
 
NorthwestFresh said:
rimrockgriz said:
I'm sober as hell and I can't stop laughing... :lol: :lol: :lol: O.K. a giant soap box derby with a concrete wall 2 feet from the finish line. Winner gets a all expense paid trip to the E.R. This m....r f....r is going no where and it's gaining steam like a run away freight train... :lol: :lol: :lol: :egriz:

You should consider drinking, because the gibberish you just posted makes zero sense...
No..your bitter because your comment about J.J. not running a pro style offense since high school was "CRUSHED". :o "I wouldn't try flying a lear jet when you've never flown a Cessna" You won't understand all of my comments.... :egriz: p.s. "I'm here to learn more about my squad, and I'm not trying to impress any of you m..... f.....s".
 
statler & waldorf said:
Sanctions for WHAT? All this 'I heard' sh*t is bogus.

If that is true, why would the AD come out and publicly state that lost scholarships and forfeited games would not be unexpected.
 
rimrockgriz said:
NorthwestFresh said:
rimrockgriz said:
I'm sober as hell and I can't stop laughing... :lol: :lol: :lol: O.K. a giant soap box derby with a concrete wall 2 feet from the finish line. Winner gets a all expense paid trip to the E.R. This m....r f....r is going no where and it's gaining steam like a run away freight train... :lol: :lol: :lol: :egriz:

You should consider drinking, because the gibberish you just posted makes zero sense...
No..your bitter because your comment about J.J. not running a pro style offense since high school was "CRUSHED". :o "I wouldn't try flying a lear jet when you've never flown a Cessna" You won't understand all of my comments.... :egriz: p.s. "I'm here to learn more about my squad, and I'm not trying to impress any of you m..... f.....s".

"You're"

Anyhow, it is the truth. How can the truth be "crushed"? JJ ran the spread option all through HS with his dad as the coach. He ran the spread under Pflu. What has been "crushed", other than the English language by you tonight?
 
doebrmn said:
statler & waldorf said:
Sanctions for WHAT? All this 'I heard' sh*t is bogus.

If that is true, why would the AD come out and publicly state that lost scholarships and forfeited games would not be unexpected.

There is nothing from the NCAA, yet. If you got first hand information, POST IT. Until then it is just speculation.
 
statler & waldorf said:
doebrmn said:
statler & waldorf said:
Sanctions for WHAT? All this 'I heard' sh*t is bogus.

If that is true, why would the AD come out and publicly state that lost scholarships and forfeited games would not be unexpected.

There is nothing from the NCAA, yet. If you got first hand information, POST IT. Until then it is just speculation.

Yep, exactly the same way I was speculating that there was a NCAA investigation way back in January 2012, how did that turn out.............
 
doebrmn said:
statler & waldorf said:
doebrmn said:
statler & waldorf said:
Sanctions for WHAT? All this 'I heard' sh*t is bogus.

If that is true, why would the AD come out and publicly state that lost scholarships and forfeited games would not be unexpected.

There is nothing from the NCAA, yet. If you got first hand information, POST IT. Until then it is just speculation.

Yep, exactly the same way I was speculating that there was a NCAA investigation way back in January 2012, how did that turn out.............

There NCAA has not published anything. If you have verifiable information, facts that is...POST IT!
 
statler & waldorf said:
doebrmn said:
statler & waldorf said:
doebrmn said:
If that is true, why would the AD come out and publicly state that lost scholarships and forfeited games would not be unexpected.

There is nothing from the NCAA, yet. If you got first hand information, POST IT. Until then it is just speculation.

Yep, exactly the same way I was speculating that there was a NCAA investigation way back in January 2012, how did that turn out.............

There NCAA has not published anything. If you have verifiable information, facts that is...POST IT!

He already said he doesn't have verifiable information, other than speculation on his part was correct re: NCAA investigation. Are you and rimrockgriz huffing whipped cream cans together tonight?
 
Royce fired O'Day and Pflugrad........that alone will take some of the "punishment" away as it must be accounted for. Otherwise it was a wasted effort by Engstrom. Nothing much was found seriously wrong with UM's athletic program so very little fine/punishment is warranted!

The NCAA so called investigation is a punishment in itself, nothing "big" was found. The best case of "finding" was from reading the Missoulian paper and that was 90% blather.

In my opinion we will be admonished because of error on the part of the President and staff but overall I am content with our athletic department and like all I want to move on.
 
Umista said:
Royce fired O'Day and Pflugrad........that alone will take some of the "punishment" away as it must be accounted for. Otherwise it was a wasted effort by Engstrom. Nothing much was found seriously wrong with UM's athletic program so very little fine/punishment is warranted!

The NCAA so called investigation is a punishment in itself, nothing "big" was found. The best case of "finding" was from reading the Missoulian paper and that was 90% blather.

In my opinion we will be admonished because of error on the part of the President and staff but overall I am content with our athletic department and like all I want to move on.

Again, if this is true why would the AD state publicly that lost scholarships and forfeited games would not be unexpected. Clearly the NCAA has found something "big" enough that the AD has publicly stated he expects lost scholarships and forfeited games. That is not simply an "admonishment because of error on the part of the President and staff."
 
If the NCAA has found Engstrom in error, you can bet he is working on a plan to pass the buck to others. His old buddy, Pat Williams is probably helping him.
 
Spanky said:
If the NCAA has found Engstrom in error, you can bet he is working on a plan to pass the buck to others. His old buddy, Pat Williams is probably helping him.
Yes, but who is left to throw under the bus?
 
Again, if this is true why would the AD state publicly that lost scholarships and forfeited games would not be unexpected


Because when the NCAA spends 2+ years on your campus, you're going to lose some scholarships. They have to justify that kind of time investment. Believe me, it will happen at UM. It would happen at MSU. It would happen at Stanford. It would happen at Harvard (assuming they gave scholarships). It would happen at God's University, Liberty. It would happen at Holy Sisters Academy.

In other words, Haslam knows that the NCAA is going to level punishment no matter what, even if the worst "infractions" they find are an athlete using extra ketchup on his hot dog and 3 toe-nail clippers in the training room when the NCAA limits a school to two.


Of course, Haslam also said this in the same interview, which you seem to ignore:

There will be some things we’ll need to improve on, but I think we’ll be fine.”

That doesn't sound like the sky is falling. Sorry to disappoint.
 
Umista said:
Royce fired O'Day and Pflugrad........that alone will take some of the "punishment" away as it must be accounted for. Otherwise it was a wasted effort by Engstrom. Nothing much was found seriously wrong with UM's athletic program so very little fine/punishment is warranted!

The NCAA so called investigation is a punishment in itself, nothing "big" was found. The best case of "finding" was from reading the Missoulian paper and that was 90% blather.

In my opinion we will be admonished because of error on the part of the President and staff but overall I am content with our athletic department and like all I want to move on.

Where are you getting this information?
 
Spanky said:
Everett....assuming Haslam has the facts....

I'm under no illusions he has all of them. But after 2 years of questioning, no doubt the Administration and the law firm they've hired have a pretty good notion what the Jokers at the NCAA are looking into as possible infractions.
 
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