NCAA Sanctions

[firmgriz]

I am not at liberty to disclose the particulars and have cut a fine line to disclose what I have. I am sorry if it is not complete, but I figured a little news was better than nothing.

It looks like you guessed wrong Griz Pony. It's probably better not to say anything at all than come on here with vague statements that only breed speculation, stress and ultimately lead to pissing matches on the board and really add nothing to the discussion other than negativity.

I agree. Instead of coming here with blanket vague statements "trying" to help, why don't you wait til you can actually say something instead of stirring the pot? Thanks but no thanks.

Would you think the same if he posted that he heard there would be no penalties ?

yes, at this point vagueness and speculation in either direction has no value.

 

[grizcountry420]

This thread looks like 5 car salesman smoking a cig in the back alley ten minutes before quitting time. :roll: :egriz:

Thats funny...

 

[DuCharme]

I am not at liberty to disclose the particulars and have cut a fine line to disclose what I have. I am sorry if it is not complete, but I figured a little news was better than nothing.

It looks like you guessed wrong Griz Pony. It's probably better not to say anything at all than come on here with vague statements that only breed speculation, stress and ultimately lead to pissing matches on the board and really add nothing to the discussion other than negativity.

Nah. There are a few that appreciate the tidbits. :thumb:
And I won't stress over it. :roll:

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

I think its good information. I appreciate it. The phrase "lack of institutional control" gives us a little bit as we can compare it to other schools that were cited for the same thing and all received similar penalty...

 

[grizfan95]

I think its good information. I appreciate it. The phrase "lack of institutional control" gives us a little bit as we can compare it to other schools that were cited for the same thing and all received similar penalty...

Anyone could have guess lack of institutional control. The NCAA is not going to make a scene and investigate a school to come out with nothing. "Lack of institutional control" is the blanket-term for the minimal offense. If you're investigated, you're going to be cited for lack of institutional control based solely on the fact that they think you needed investigating in the first place.

 

[Sundown]

Heard that they are going to be way more severe than the infractions should warrant. Too bad the NCAA is in the business of shaking down institutions to pay for their own bloated bureaucracy. Nothing related to the sexual assaults so that is good news. Vague crap like "institutional control" and other allegations that defy concrete definitions will always allow them to deny that they found basically nothing. Oh well, we should win it all this year anyway.

Source?

 

[griz4life]

"Lack of institutional control" is no small thing and it is not the kind of finding that suggests one minimal offense, but rather several offenses the university should have been on top of.

I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA is in a bit of a bind here, having dragged this investigation out for a year longer than it originally said it would. In other cases, Penn State being the most recent, it's been noted that the NCAA really isn't an investigative body and tends to wait and see what other authorities come up with before making a decision. The NCAA was the absolute last authority to weigh in on Penn State and basically did a "what he said" riding on the coattails of Louis Freeh report, commissioned by Penn State's Board of Trustees. By then, the U.S. Education Department had done its investigation, the PA DOJ had done it's investigation and everything was pretty damning and out in the open for the NCAA to cherry pick.

At Montana, that's not the case. The Barz report was didn't exactly flame UM Athletics, but rather put things in the context of UM as a whole. The DOJ and Ed investigation wrapped up with UM agreeing to some training steps, but otherwise admitting no wrongdoing. The Jordan Johnson trial vindicated Johnson. For all the blather in the Missoulian about "gang rapes," not a single charge has been filed nor has an investigation concluded anything of the sort occurred.
So what's the NCAA to do? Throw the book at UM for --- athletes scarfing down tailgate food (rumored to be one of the things the NCAA looked into). Should they throw the book at UM for time it took GK to repay of a bail loan made by another UM athlete's parents? Should the NCAA strip UM of games in which GK played after his tazer incident--games that Kemp wasn't really a factor in anyway.
There is no low hanging fruit from the investigations by UM, or the feds, for the NCAA to gather. It seems to be struggling to come up with conclusions of its own.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

It's worse than what some thought, but better than what some others thought. Some think it should have been worse, while others think it's way out of proportion to what's reasonable. Others don't care one way or the other, while some care way too much.

That is all I can say at this point.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

it could be worse. The Griz could be found guilty of sponsoring a charity fund raisiing car wash using University water. The NCAA seems to be bloated and out of control.
It's probably best not to post anything on violations and on sanctions unless a source can be posted as well.

 

[grizpack]

I appreciate the info. Grizpony has good information, and I am glad he shares it.

 

[Cats2506]

I am not at liberty to disclose the particulars and have cut a fine line to disclose what I have. I am sorry if it is not complete, but I figured a little news was better than nothing.

It looks like you guessed wrong Griz Pony. It's probably better not to say anything at all than come on here with vague statements that only breed speculation, stress and ultimately lead to pissing matches on the board and really add nothing to the discussion other than negativity.

Well that covers about 90% of the posts on this board

 

[EverettGriz]

I am not at liberty to disclose the particulars and have cut a fine line to disclose what I have. I am sorry if it is not complete, but I figured a little news was better than nothing.

It looks like you guessed wrong Griz Pony. It's probably better not to say anything at all than come on here with vague statements that only breed speculation, stress and ultimately lead to pissing matches on the board and really add nothing to the discussion other than negativity.

Well that covers about 90% of the posts on this board

Hyperbole.

You kitty fans don't post more than 75 0r 80% of the content on here.

 

[MTOutsider]

Who needs Kardashians when you have egriz.

I am not at liberty to disclose the particulars and have cut a fine line to disclose what I have. I am sorry if it is not complete, but I figured a little news was better than nothing.

It looks like you guessed wrong Griz Pony. It's probably better not to say anything at all than come on here with vague statements that only breed speculation, stress and ultimately lead to pissing matches on the board and really add nothing to the discussion other than negativity.

Well that covers about 90% of the posts on this board

Hyperbole.

You kitty fans don't post more than 75 0r 80% of the content on here.

 

[ranco]

It's worse than what some thought, but better than what some others thought. Some think it should have been worse, while others think it's way out of proportion to what's reasonable. Others don't care one way or the other, while some care way too much.

That is all I can say at this point.

But you didn't say anything.

 

[MrTitleist]

I appreciate the info. Grizpony has good information, and I am glad he shares it.

This. People that flame grizpony have no clue what they're talking about. Always has good info.

 

[Copper Griz]

This thread looks like 5 car salesman smoking a cig in the back alley ten minutes before quitting time. :roll: :egriz:

Thats funny...

Unless you are a car salesman. They have feelings you know. Poor bastards.

 

[kemajic]

The sanctions aren't finalized so they could end up being worse. The problem is that Engstrom won't fight anything in my opinion. I hope there is no post-season ban.

So otherwise your saying you don't know shit !!

No. I do know quite a bit. If you were familiar with the NCAA you would realize that the school proposes punishment if they don't disagree with the findings. I know what we proposed, the NCAA has not responded and they can accept it or enhance the punishment. So basically, you are the only one that doesn't know shit.

Engstrom likely offered up a bunch of schollies; a great way for him to cut the AD budget further.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I think its good information. I appreciate it. The phrase "lack of institutional control" gives us a little bit as we can compare it to other schools that were cited for the same thing and all received similar penalty...

Anyone could have guess lack of institutional control. The NCAA is not going to make a scene and investigate a school to come out with nothing. "Lack of institutional control" is the blanket-term for the minimal offense. If you're investigated, you're going to be cited for lack of institutional control based solely on the fact that they think you needed investigating in the first place.

Untrue

 

[AllWeatherFan]

It's worse than what some thought, but better than what some others thought. Some think it should have been worse, while others think it's way out of proportion to what's reasonable. Others don't care one way or the other, while some care way too much.

That is all I can say at this point.

But you didn't say anything.

Gee, ya' think?

 

[Liquor up front!]

I appreciate the info. Grizpony has good information, and I am glad he shares it.

This. People that flame grizpony have no clue what they're talking about. Always has good info.

I know grizpony better then most and his info is very solid, especially on Thursday's! :shock: