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NCAA penalties in 2012 or 2013?

BWahlberg

BWahlberg

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I got to thinking about this, and while we'll just have to wait and see what and when (or even if) the Griz get hit by the NCAA and then how hard they get hit, I looked at the outlook for the 2012 Griz and the 2013 Griz and what a post-season ban might do.

First of all to lay the groundwork, looking at a list of presumed starters on offense (making assumptions here to make this argument easier):

QB: Smithwick-Hann
RB: Nguyen/Canada
FB: Moore
WR: Carver / Haynes
WR: Saylor / Henderson
WR: Gratton / Warren
TE: Hardy / Haas
OL: Kistler / Hendrickson / Oiland / Poehls / Poole

DL: Harris / Bienemann / Takai / Wagenmann
LB: Kanongata'a / Coyle or Stuberg / Tripp
CB: Harris / Murray
S: Rominger or Tully / Hermanson

The 2012 team will start just 6 or 7 seniors (and only 1 or 2 on defense) but will be starting 11 or 12 juniors, per my quick count.

At this point, while the 2012 outlook has gotten a little murky, all signs point to a LOADED 2013 team that really only has a major issue at having a new TE step up and a new power back/FB step up. The rest of the spots are backed up pretty well.

While I don't think the UM is going to be staring down the barrell of a post-season ban (unless if new unknown evidence/information is released) a 2013 post-season ban could possibly wreck one of the more talented teams the Griz will have put forth in the last 15 years.

Food for thought... :(
 
The NCAA can suck it, even if they find absolutely nothing they can hammer whoever they want. Penn State raped children for years, big fine and we'll pretend like it didn't happen for a while. SMU has a couple of kids get money they shouldn't and they kill the program completely for 2 years and effectively kill the program for 25 years. No rhyme or reason, just whatever the hell they feel like. I wish the schools would nut up and tell them to go florio themselves and move on to something different.
 
dupuyer griz said:
The NCAA can suck it, even if they find absolutely nothing they can hammer whoever they want. Penn State raped children for years, big fine and we'll pretend like it didn't happen for a while. SMU has a couple of kids get money they shouldn't and they kill the program completely for 2 years and effectively kill the program for 25 years. No rhyme or reason, just whatever the hell they feel like. I wish the schools would nut up and tell them to go florio themselves and move on to something different.
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What PSU did was truley appaling and the deserved every punishment they got, and this is coming from someone that grew up in the 70's idolizing JoPa and PSU

SMU did more than give a few kids money, they had a weekly payroll amounting to players getting large sums, they moved family's to Dallas and gave away cars, they got caught and were given post season bans and they didn't stop the weekly checks, they second time they were caught there was a ton of evidence that they lied to the NCAA about cleaning up from the first time, they deserved to be set back for a generation.
 
I'm not saying what PSU did wasn't bad and didn't deserve it. What I'm saying is it should be worse. Honestly, what would you rather have said about your team? We gave a billion dollars to kids and families, or a child got sodomized under our watch 1 time? Their punishment is a joke compared to what it could and arguably should be. It's kind of like our dishonorable honor court that decides who they would like to punish and how and it isn't right. What's going to come of all of this? JJ is in trouble formaking a bad decision and getting bit in the ass over it. Honestly, how many of us have done similar things and pissed a girl off. No one knows what happened but it sounds a little hokey. How much should the penalty be if what we think is being investigated is true? Making sure a kid gets a lawyer and I don't even remember what else. It can't be covering up rapes because the school has no say in how that is handled unless its telling that Saudi kid do get the hell out of town before he gets caught. The guy responsible for that should have to serve the punishment for those rape/assault. My point being the ncaa has no rhyme or reason for their punishments and they don't punish the right people. The only person I can think of who was punished for violations is Terrel Pryor and the governing body that slapped him in the mouth is the NFL and Roger aint puttin' up with no shit Goodel.
 
I don't really think that um will get munch penalties if any thing at all, the majority of your violations could be considered stupidity rather than malice.
 
Cats2506 said:
I don't really think that um will get munch penalties if any thing at all, the majority of your violations could be considered stupidity rather than malice.
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NCAA = Governing body that promotes huge payouts for schools and coaches. That the NCAA is actually punishing anyone is an oxymoron. You have school administrations and fans who are putting huge pressure on coaches because of cash payouts. What the hell do we expect to happen? The NCAA supposedly governs for the good of collegiate athletes. Please - this institution is now a bureaucracy and people are protecting their jobs and fat paychecks. I don't see things changing anytime soon - not until the NCAA changes dramatically. Maybe it just needs to go away - period. Time to start over and keep the network television companies out of it!
 
Cats2506 said:
I don't really think that um will get munch penalties if any thing at all, the majority of your violations could be considered stupidity rather than malice.
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I think there will be penalties. Got a feeling there is some stuff that we don't know about. I don't really want to prognosticate as to what they will be. The NCAA wouldn't have spent six months plus months reviewing information without having a purpose as to what they would find. Just a hunch.
 
If EWU got slapped with a post season ban, along with loss of 3 schollies and a coaching position for a few years, for what amounted to a few players practicing that shouldn't, and a few players given a few part-time coaching tasks when they shouldn't have, then it doesn't look good for UM.
 
Screamin_Eagle174 said:
If EWU got slapped with a post season ban, along with loss of 3 schollies and a coaching position for a few years, for what amounted to a few players practicing that shouldn't, and a few players given a few part-time coaching tasks when they shouldn't have, then it doesn't look good for UM.
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Here's the thing. It is a no win situation for UM. If they get penalties they lose, if they get nothing it is favoritism and other fans will think Montana is special.


Lets just get the season started.
 
Screamin_Eagle174 said:
If EWU got slapped with a post season ban, along with loss of 3 schollies and a coaching position for a few years, for what amounted to a few players practicing that shouldn't, and a few players given a few part-time coaching tasks when they shouldn't have, then it doesn't look good for UM.
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Yep. Unauthorized practice sessions and providing housing/meals before the practice season officially began, and something to do with a part-time coach - all of which amounted to a "lack of institutional control". The ironic thing about the penalties the NCAA doled out against EWU was that the infractions were all self-reported by the University, no investigations or anything. Luckily EWU appealed and won the playoff ban, although I believe 2012 will be the first year back at 63 scholarships and full coaching staff (2009-2010-2011 were the years affected).

If the NCAA finds something at UM, I'm betting there will be some sort of punishment. This is just based solely on what the NCAA has done in the past and not anything a fan of another school is hoping for. At a minimum a post-season ban, but depending on how egregious the findings I wouldn't be surprised to see a reduction in scholarships or some other penalty such as forfeiture of wins. I think the Penn State set a precedent that the NCAA may not be able to back away from, given the harsh penalties doled out there.
 
You can speculate about what the NCAA is doing, but no one has actually said, which makes it impossible to know what penalties there might or might not be.
I tend to think FCS schools fare worse with the NCAA than the FBS schools do because FCS doesn't matter much. You can make an example of an FCS school and few in the NCAA are really going to care. Look at the way UND has been treated.
 
Boise state got penalties for a recruit staying at a boosters house instead of paying for his own motel. UM will get something.
 
No program is clean. The only reason why some programs luck out & don't get punished is because of their lack of keeping records & keeping things hush.
 
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