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LadyGriz Nate Harris Cuts
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TrueGriz
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being a 29% shooter overall, and 26% from 3 point line did not do her too well. Terrible shooter. Even Donarski, who was also a terrible shooter, shot a little better than Wacker and she was cut after being a starter for almost all the games.
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DoubleNicks
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Too bad Adria Lincoln isn't listed as returning. I thought she had potential and good size but maybe she hasn't been able to recover much from her injury this year despite still 2 years of eligibility left (assuming she would've gotten a medical redshirt for this season).
Wacker, I thought was serviceable leading the second group (and i think she thrives and needs to be in situations where the team is depending on her). Obviously the most athletic on the squad but she got a little loose with her dribble at times. And despite probably being the quickest on the team, she got beat off the dribble a few times (she did have a couple impressive leaping swats from behind, though, as well). Anyways, hope she has success wherever she goes.
Donarski had some good moments as a defender but a little undersized and not much of a threat on offense.
Sad to see all three MT girls gone at once but understandable as well as Hutka and Zoey Washington.
I really hope Waddington works on ball handling and going aggressive to the basket. Seemed liked (despite having good footwork/post moves for a guard) she got into trouble more often than not when she would turn her back to the basket going to the hole and trying to back down her defender. Seems like she was coached that this year as she mostly kept relatively square to the basket on her drives last year. Maybe Harris wanted her to have a mindset of kicking out to shooters but seemed like it just led to help defenders coming in and stripping the ball many times. Sometimes she even had gained a step by the defender and should've forced at least a foul or a good opportunity at a lay-up but she surrendered her advantageous position by spinning to back down her defender.
Wacker, I thought was serviceable leading the second group (and i think she thrives and needs to be in situations where the team is depending on her). Obviously the most athletic on the squad but she got a little loose with her dribble at times. And despite probably being the quickest on the team, she got beat off the dribble a few times (she did have a couple impressive leaping swats from behind, though, as well). Anyways, hope she has success wherever she goes.
Donarski had some good moments as a defender but a little undersized and not much of a threat on offense.
Sad to see all three MT girls gone at once but understandable as well as Hutka and Zoey Washington.
I really hope Waddington works on ball handling and going aggressive to the basket. Seemed liked (despite having good footwork/post moves for a guard) she got into trouble more often than not when she would turn her back to the basket going to the hole and trying to back down her defender. Seems like she was coached that this year as she mostly kept relatively square to the basket on her drives last year. Maybe Harris wanted her to have a mindset of kicking out to shooters but seemed like it just led to help defenders coming in and stripping the ball many times. Sometimes she even had gained a step by the defender and should've forced at least a foul or a good opportunity at a lay-up but she surrendered her advantageous position by spinning to back down her defender.
mthoopsfan
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Oh BS.
Lincoln, no just to slow, not very productive. Wacker, yes fun to watch and we are all sympathetic to our small town Montanans, but no. She will do well NAIA, or bench D1.
Surprised Aby Shubert was kept, similar to Wacker, but a little more productive, too crazy with the ball, not very consistent. Waddington, versatility, get strong during the off season, smart player, leader. All of our players, if by design getting in the key, back to the basket and to other players especially defenders...a real shark fest for steals, turnovers.
TrueGriz
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Shubert shot close to 40% her first year from the 3 point line. This was kind of a down year for her.
Not sure what that's all about, basically loose your shooter touch a whole season, but she contributes off the bench, both sides of the court.
Selvig was a unicorn. Schweyen was never going to meet his level, and I don't think it was without trying. Wasn't going to apparent for anyone that she was going to step and struggle. Blame Haslam if you want, but I just don't think it was one of think it was one of those things you could have seen coming. See what happened with Hubert Davis at North Carolina. Long time assistant, alum, and he clearly didn't have the gravitas that Roy Williams had.
Back to Selvig, did things as a coach that no other coach could reasonably do in 2016 to run a modern D1 womens basketball program. That program for years was maintained by power of his talent, but the underlying elements were bailing wire and duct tape. He was a master mechanic and kept that program running in spite of running on practices (ie recruiting) that you couldn't possibly maintain in the modern era. It started showing its wear by the time he left, that it was getting harder to keep the machine running.
Schweyen spent two years trying to do what Selvig did. Went terribly. She didn't have the acumen to teach the defense the way he did, and didn't have the game management skills either. She didn't recruit well (some might say not at all). Then she spent the rest of her time to approximate her philosophy and it didn't work very well either. Didn't help she didn't have the temperament (most don't) and the rest was history.
Spent the past six years trying find stability and haven't found it. Tried avoiding the Mick Delaney scenario from football (with a long term interim coach in Petrino) put out a national search, and found that a lot of coaches didn't like pay, the town or whatever. Hired Holsinger who again didn't have the temperament for the position.
Left again where you are hiring a coach in a less than ideal scenario. Floundering program, disgruntled players, and aren't hiring coaches to continue a tradition but to stop the bleeding. Harris probably got out of last year what you'd expect in the scenario. But we are building now from the ground up. Will require a full tear down and rebuild. Unlike when Haslam hired Schweyen and then Holsinger.
Begins and ends of being able to start putting effort into Montana recruiting, building connections again with local coaches. Getting DeCoite was a good start, always think getting Mason Quinn (Boise State) and Laird would have been ideal (no one is going to turn down Stanford) but its clear that Harris understands that he's gotta win those local and state recruiting battles that Holsinger ignored.
Selvig got the most out of his players, well rounded dimensional coach. Players wholeheartedly understood what he expected from them, sometimes rather directly, an atmosphere of no BS. Our LG need to clearly understand, you step out on a court named "Selvig", you play to your very best, practice/play. Players might also note a retired LG jersey there, that's Shannon's, smart, extremely focused, play hard start to finish.
Thank you for the assessment. In regard to Selvig, I remember one game years ago against Utah where their players were obviously more athletic than the Lady Griz. but they still pulled out the win by having better skills.
Have a soft spot for Selvig, as I got to interact with him one year when I attended basketball camp at the U.
Selvig is the GOAT.
In some ways it is a bit of an unfair standard to have any coach compared to him there, and I think Schweyen did buckle under that stress.
MissoulaMarinerFan
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He could teach the angles of the game really well. Even if a team you're playing is better athletically, if you can dominate the angles and force the other team to take less than ideal ones and you're able to out maneuver them on angles on offense is usually a recipe for success.
When I was in college (I think-way too long ago) I got a chance to listen to Selvig talk about the matchup zone. His conversation was so nuanced that I am pretty sure it was way over the head of half the people there (including myself). Was always a fan of the defense, but listening to him convinced me that was the defense I wanted to run as a HS basketball coach. Absolutely a defense that requires a level commitment that most coaches don't want to spend the time implementing. Says a lot about Selvig's understanding and being able to teach it so consistently over the years. I remember him talking about the depth of the off ball guard and him using precise inches and like you said angles. He just was a really smart basketball coach. I sometimes think he would have adapted to the analytics era of hoops really easily.
Bill Evans (former SUU coach and former UM assisstant) was that way with that defense too. Would have loved to be a fly on a wall when those two might have talked shop.
I do think that might be the most direct way for the Lady Griz to get some of their mojo back if they'd figure out a defensive system. Team has gone a decade without a defensive identity. Paid dividends for the neighbors to the east and obviously for Selvig.
Colter_Nuanez56
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When I was on the Griz basketball beat during my college days, Tinkle hired Bill Evans as an assistant. I was assigned to write a short feature on him.
I start asking him about his defensive philosophy. He says “young man, some guys like to get their rocks off smoking and drinking. Some guys are thrill seekers. Some guys love to drive fast cars or chase fast women. Me? I get my joneses by playing zone defense.”
To this day, almost 20 years later, one of the greatest quotes of my career
When I was on the Griz basketball beat during my college days, Tinkle hired Bill Evans as an assistant. I was assigned to write a short feature on him.
I start asking him about his defensive philosophy. He says “young man, some guys like to get their rocks off smoking and drinking. Some guys are thrill seekers. Some guys love to drive fast cars or chase fast women. Me? I get my joneses by playing zone defense.”
To this day, almost 20 years later, one of the greatest quotes of my career
Thanks for that...It reminds me...
Listened to him give a coaches clinic at CSI when he was at SUU, and he cracked me up. Coach asked him, how do you sell coaching a matchup defense to college athletes in this era (it was 2006 or so), and his answer was something to the effect of 'have you seen my players? They are slow white kids?' what other defense could they play? You can't teach athleticism but you can teach effort.
Love that guy. Part of me wished that Tinkle let him run that defense in Missoula. I really don't think in this era of college basketball it probably wouldn't work, but there was still a place for it 15 or 20 years ago. The Pack-line that Travis bought into years ago is as close as I have seen to an approximation of that match-up.
grizzlyjournal
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I agree on Bill Evans. I would add Chris Cobb to this exclusive D group.
I agree 10000000000%. The definition of insanity is doing the same exact thing over and over again and expecting different results. I couldn’t have been more happy when I heard he cut some kids to be honest that team was bad and lacked a ton of talent. They need a major upgrade and this is the first step in making that happen. Sorry, not sorry!
Do we know Nate (or Coach Stu) are bad hires?
100% false.
