Musberger Says UM Moving Up Would Be Mistake

[Paytonlives]

As Player Rep said the Fesability study done for Georigia Southern said a movie to FBS was not financial viable. I can understand how that might be so for GSU and other FCS schools back east and down south as there is plenty more competative competion. Plus they are much more closely located to FCS schools to go play the money games to help them. Sort of like how PSU can just jump a bus and in two hours be at OSU or UofO. The trip does not cost them really much and they do not need to make as much for the game. Our Griz are not in such a position. Sure we could bus to play the Vandals but the vandals are not going to want to pay the money the Griz would want plus the Vandal runs the risk of loosing the game. We are in the most dificult spot for I would say all the FCS schools and for sure on the west coast. We by far have the top producing school wins wise and make the most money, agai nespecialy on the west coast. We are on more of the level of an FBS school playing in the FCS level. Should we loose schools such as Cal Poly etc to FBS it will be even harder to have good competion here for our Griz. Additionaly why would say a good FCS team back east want to travel out west to the Griz when they have a ton of current FCS schools they could play closer to home or play an FBS school again closer to home and get paid the same or more than the Griz would pay. Seems to me that even if the study shows we onlt stand to break even or make a little money we would be better of making the move.

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[spsyk]

I'm not hiding anything, just presenting facts, and it's not racist to exhibit the fact that there is not a lot for black athletes in Missoula, and that's not my fault nor makes me a racists.

Missoula just does not have a lot to offer for an inducement for black athletes and those are the facts, not racism.

And if you know so much about Donavan, it was not his coaching ability, it was his organizational skills that instilled the movement for a new football facility, and again that is just the facts.

 

[General Disarray]

I'm of the school of thought that football games are won between the white lines, not at Wells Fargo or from somebody's checkbook.

 

[General Disarray]

I'm not hiding anything, just presenting facts, and it's not racist to exhibit the fact that there is not a lot for black athletes in Missoula, and that's not my fault nor makes me a racists.

Missoula just does not have a lot to offer for an inducement for black athletes and those are the facts, not racism.

And if you know so much about Donavan, it was not his coaching ability, it was his organizational skills that instilled the movement for a new football facility, and again that is just the facts.

That's by definition racist. You're basically saying that black student athletes are only interested in hip hop clubs and black girls, and because we don't have much they won't be interested in our university.

 

[Paytonlives]

I'm not hiding anything, just presenting facts, and it's not racist to exhibit the fact that there is not a lot for black athletes in Missoula, and that's not my fault nor makes me a racists.

Missoula just does not have a lot to offer for an inducement for black athletes and those are the facts, not racism.

And if you know so much about Donavan, it was not his coaching ability, it was his organizational skills that instilled the movement for a new football facility, and again that is just the facts.

That's by definition racist. You're basically saying that black student athletes are only interested in hip hop clubs and black girls, and because we don't have much they won't be interested in our university.

Exactly... and athletes dont go to the library...

BTW Spysk it is Michael RAY! Richardson

 

[spsyk]

I'm not hiding anything, just presenting facts, and it's not racist to exhibit the fact that there is not a lot for black athletes in Missoula, and that's not my fault nor makes me a racists.

Missoula just does not have a lot to offer for an inducement for black athletes and those are the facts, not racism.

And if you know so much about Donavan, it was not his coaching ability, it was his organizational skills that instilled the movement for a new football facility, and again that is just the facts.

That's by definition racist. You're basically saying that black student athletes are only interested in hip hop clubs and black girls, and because we don't have much they won't be interested in our university.

No, what I'm saying is that there has to be an inducement other than school and sports, which is available to white students and not blacks, and those are the facts, what don't you understand.

And you are right, football games are won on the field, unfortunately, it is also a business which requires money, and a lot of it.

 

[Paytonlives]

No, what I'm saying is that there has to be an inducement other than school and sports, which is available to white students and not blacks, and those are the facts, what don't you understand.

AGAIN RACIST!!! You are not helping your cause.

So now Black people cant survive in Montana
or
There is too many white people
or
Not enough watermelon
or
Its too cold
or
Not enough weed

Cant we just look for students and atheletes without looking at color, Spysk it os obvious that you have bought into what the liberal teachers have indocturanted into you.

I dont care what color a person is... the only thing that matters is charactor

 

[General Disarray]

That's by definition racist. You're basically saying that black student athletes are only interested in hip hop clubs and black girls, and because we don't have much they won't be interested in our university.

No, what I'm saying is that there has to be an inducement other than school and sports, which is available to white students and not blacks, and those are the facts, what don't you understand.

And you are right, football games are won on the field, unfortunately, it is also a business which requires money, and a lot of it.

Those aren't "facts", they're sweeping stereotypical generalizations. Sometimes people from flyover states like to go experience the city life. Sometimes people from the city like to get away from the hustle and bustle for a while. Sometimes people from the South like to spend time in the North and vice versa. We're people, not trees with our feet rooted into the ground.

Will Cherry:

Q. What made you choose Montana?
A. Actually, the University of Montana was far from a school I ever wanted to go to. Before I came into town I thought it was a bunch of cowboys, rodeos and there wasn't any city or anything like that. Once I got into town, I saw it was a great atmosphere. When I went to the football game I saw the support of the fans and I really liked it. The coaches and players took me in when I came here.
Q. Did you make the right choice?
A. Oh, yeah. We have a great group of guys here who are working toward the real goal of getting to the tournament and going dancing. It's a band of brothers. There's a lot of things I got to do here that I couldn't do in California - float the river and stuff like that.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/article_279db138-fdb4-11de-9c61-001cc4c03286.html

 

[Paytonlives]

If you are saying that Black Athletes wont come to Missoula because it does not fit them well, that may be true for some... but you cannot generize this. I probably would be like a fish our of water in say Japan... But it does not mean that I might not like it...

People are people and we all have different ideas... its just time to leave the steroetypes in the gutter where they belong.

Hey Spysk ask yourself this question..

Why do most is not all the black Utah Jazz players continue to live in Salt Lake City after they retire? Remembering that most of them have more money then we will every have and could move to any city they want. Nightlife? A huge black population? Warm winter? Are they mormans?

Maybe they find that a clean city with little violent crime is a great place to raise kids.

Your ideas are flawed and outdated...

 

[Paytonlives]

Back to Musberger...

 

[spsyk]

Well, if it makes me racists for pointing out the fact that the entertainment environment for black athletes is slim and none in Missoula, Montana, then I must accept the fact that I must be a racists.

Although it does not change the fact, that there is not a large entertainment environment for black athletes, in Missoula,Mt.

 

[Paytonlives]

Well, if it makes me racists for pointing out the fact that the entertainment environment for black athletes is slim and none in Missoula, Montana, then I must accept the fact that I must be a racists.

Although it does not change the fact, that there is not a large entertainment environment for black athletes, in Missoula,Mt.

Have you even lived near any black people?

I taught and coached at a school that was 50% black... you know what I found.

No not Mercury driving, gun toting, weed smoking, watermelon eating, club hoping and butt showing thugs.
What I found were kids with dreams that want what everyone else wants... a chance to succeed. Not a hand out, not a party zone, not a free ride but a fair chance. BTW did you know that most black people live in rural areas?

Comments like you have made are a crutch to the black society, one that many parents shared with me. They want the crutch to be gone and both whites and blacks need to get past these stereotypes.

General Dissary gave you a great quote from Will Cherry, the same Will Cherry that was one of the best point gaurds in the Bay area. If you are correct then how did UM get him or Michael Ray? Will Cherry liked the team that he found and Micheal Ray liked Jud Heathcoat. (um... a old white guy)

 

[bpcats]

David2 made a very valid point regarding the difference the difference between Wyoming and Montana and how their University systems are set up. In addition to that Wyoming has a sales tax, significant coal and oil money as well as donors (I knew one that made million dollar donations every couple of years to the university).

The future of college athletics and their fight for TV dollars to survive is a very real issue. There are high schools in Ohio that are dropping athletics in order to survive. I'm not sure what the differences are between MSU and UM on how they handle their athletic funding, but UM has to be in a better position than MSU.

O'Day is at least exploring his options and getting information which is never a bad thing no matter how it turns out. I'm not sure how much more contribution the State of Montana could afford if UM moved up (especially coaches salaries), but as far as university funding the State is very spread out in its responsibilities.

 

[Grizzoola]

As some others have pointed out, Brent Musberger's comments on UM's moving up show he's so out of the loop that he thinks UM wants to play in the Pac-10 by citing Stanford, USC, etc., as opponents UM wants. Nothing Musberger says, despite the fact he lived at one time in MT, re: MT football has any credibility. He's ignorant of the move-up discussion, even though he's a big name in national sport circles. Besides, I don't like him.

 

[PlayerRep]

As some others have pointed out, Brent Musberger's comments on UM's moving up show he's so out of the loop that he thinks UM wants to play in the Pac-10 by citing Stanford, USC, etc., as opponents UM wants. Nothing Musberger says, despite the fact he lived at one time in MT, re: MT football has any credibility. He's ignorant of the move-up discussion, even though he's a big name in national sport circles. Besides, I don't like him.

Can someone provide a link to Musburger's supposed statements about UM playing USC or Stanford?

 

[FCS Go!]

As some others have pointed out, Brent Musberger's comments on UM's moving up show he's so out of the loop that he thinks UM wants to play in the Pac-10 by citing Stanford, USC, etc., as opponents UM wants. Nothing Musberger says, despite the fact he lived at one time in MT, re: MT football has any credibility. He's ignorant of the move-up discussion, even though he's a big name in national sport circles. Besides, I don't like him.

Why doesn't a FBS (or even FCS) Griz want to play Stanford or USC? Musberger may be out of the WACkhead loop but he does reflect a national perspective that views BCS teams/conferences as the only goal that is worthwhile. He has also seen firsthand the colossal amount of money needed to compete at the top of FBS and he doubts the state of Montana has it.

 

[Grizzoola]

As some others have pointed out, Brent Musberger's comments on UM's moving up show he's so out of the loop that he thinks UM wants to play in the Pac-10 by citing Stanford, USC, etc., as opponents UM wants. Nothing Musberger says, despite the fact he lived at one time in MT, re: MT football has any credibility. He's ignorant of the move-up discussion, even though he's a big name in national sport circles. Besides, I don't like him.

Can someone provide a link to Musburger's supposed statements about UM playing USC or Stanford?

I'd be glad to supply you with a link, but when I go to the KPAX website or to the Billings Gazette, those comments do not appear. In fact, I can't find the story on KPAX which I know they ran, because I watched it! I know he said Stanford. I think he said Washington (UDub) instead of USC. The guy was so out of it that he was talking about the Pac-10 as a move-up for UM. Maybe someone else can give you a link.

 

[Grizzoola]

As some others have pointed out, Brent Musberger's comments on UM's moving up show he's so out of the loop that he thinks UM wants to play in the Pac-10 by citing Stanford, USC, etc., as opponents UM wants. Nothing Musberger says, despite the fact he lived at one time in MT, re: MT football has any credibility. He's ignorant of the move-up discussion, even though he's a big name in national sport circles. Besides, I don't like him.

Why doesn't a FBS (or even FCS) Griz want to play Stanford or USC? Musberger may be out of the WACkhead loop but he does reflect a national perspective that views BCS teams/conferences as the only goal that is worthwhile. He has also seen firsthand the colossal amount of money needed to compete at the top of FBS and he doubts the state of Montana has it.

Well, you & Musberger can live in your illusions and ignorance.

 

[kemajic]

As some others have pointed out, Brent Musberger's comments on UM's moving up show he's so out of the loop that he thinks UM wants to play in the Pac-10 by citing Stanford, USC, etc., as opponents UM wants. Nothing Musberger says, despite the fact he lived at one time in MT, re: MT football has any credibility. He's ignorant of the move-up discussion, even though he's a big name in national sport circles. Besides, I don't like him.

Can someone provide a link to Musburger's supposed statements about UM playing USC or Stanford?

The video clip that shows how out-of-touch Musburger is, is imbedded at the end of the Buck interview with O'Day.

http://www.kpax.com/news/the-move-up-debate-jim-oday-on-the-future-of-griz-football/

 

[Grizbeer]

I wonder why he would use Stanford as an example. UC Davis beat Stanford a few years ago, I think in their first or second year of transition from D-II. At least he didn't mention Michigan, cause I heard a FCS team beat them a couple years ago too.