MSU under DOE Investigation

[EverettGriz]

I was referring to lack of facts by the author in this article as to the protective order being lifted and the related court case. The author provides no context.

Wrong. The author explicitly stated that the protective order was lifted so MSU could settle a lawsuit it was defending. MSU did so with no notice to the protected party. This isn’t very difficult to understand.

Evidently it is a for a select few.

 

[3-7-77]

I was referring to lack of facts by the author in this article as to the protective order being lifted and the related court case. The author provides no context.

Wrong. The author explicitly stated that the protective order was lifted so MSU could settle a lawsuit it was defending. MSU did so with no notice to the protected party. This isn’t very difficult to understand.

We all have our backgrounds in which to judge these events, Counselor. Good observation. :thumb:

 

[bigsky33]

I was referring to lack of facts by the author in this article as to the protective order being lifted and the related court case. The author provides no context.

Wrong. The author explicitly stated that the protective order was lifted so MSU could settle a lawsuit it was defending. MSU did so with no notice to the protected party. This isn’t very difficult to understand.

And, the author went on to say that MSU said they lifted the protective order independently from the lawsuit. The other side of the story that doesn’t fit your narrative. The DOE will get the facts.

 

[3-7-77]

Amazing. Someone thought his/her/it's life was endangered, and looked for someone ELSE for protection. If I had thought someone was going to threaten my life, I'd have killed him/her/it. Bought my first handgun at 17. Parents or friends could have armed him/her/it, gun or knife, and provided training. This is all total horsesh*t, and shows how far this country has fallen.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Is this still a site to discuss athletics? Or, is it just another social media bitch site to express social opinions? This site has gone down hill so much.....

How are all your predictions about the Griz being horrible and going to lose to every team, going? And the coaches are all bad? Are you still sticking to that story?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Wrong. The author explicitly stated that the protective order was lifted so MSU could settle a lawsuit it was defending. MSU did so with no notice to the protected party. This isn’t very difficult to understand.

Evidently it is a for a select few.

That sounds like a very bad fact for MSU. Protecting themselves at the expense of not protecting an individual.

 

[Bear Spray]

Well, don't count ME as negative toward MSU, in THIS matter anyway.
That LE has investigated and referred the matter to prosecutors(a whole other matter)and nothing has been done, should be the end. The prosecutors can't even get the DUI affairs settled.
These clowns didn't like the outcome, so they got some ambulance chaser to come up with this sh*t. A big bowl of nothing. Typical leftwing manoeuver.

Pretty sad some people here will pander to anything just because their rival has a better football program. But they’ll hide behind some moral hierarchy. Some people here throw away common sense just to self indulge in spitting on a logo. Pretty sad. But I get it. UM wants to get as far away from the touchy touchy scandal as possible. The one they heavily stated as the media being terribly wrong. But here it’s happy readings!

Indeed. Is this a football thread? Mods, you blast away at 'Cat Trolls' all the time, but allow this? Certainly there's a better place for it. Like the Enquirer. Losers mentality on display again.

 

[bigsky33]

Evidently it is a for a select few.

That sounds like a very bad fact for MSU. Protecting themselves at the expense of not protecting an individual.

The author said MSU stated they lifted the protective order independently of the lawsuit as it had gone on for 17 months. . The other side of the story.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Pretty sad some people here will pander to anything just because their rival has a better football program. But they’ll hide behind some moral hierarchy. Some people here throw away common sense just to self indulge in spitting on a logo. Pretty sad. But I get it. UM wants to get as far away from the touchy touchy scandal as possible. The one they heavily stated as the media being terribly wrong. But here it’s happy readings!

Indeed. Is this a football thread? Mods, you blast away at 'Cat Trolls' all the time, but allow this? Certainly there's a better place for it. Like the Enquirer. Losers mentality on display again.

This forum is entitled "Griz football and the FCS". MSU is part of the FCS. This is about MSU. The forum title is not "Griz football and FCS football". It say "FCS".

 

[EverettGriz]

Pretty sad some people here will pander to anything just because their rival has a better football program. But they’ll hide behind some moral hierarchy. Some people here throw away common sense just to self indulge in spitting on a logo. Pretty sad. But I get it. UM wants to get as far away from the touchy touchy scandal as possible. The one they heavily stated as the media being terribly wrong. But here it’s happy readings!

Indeed. Is this a football thread? Mods, you blast away at 'Cat Trolls' all the time, but allow this? Certainly there's a better place for it. Like the Enquirer. Losers mentality on display again.

You can allllllways a tell a bub:

“Oh my god msdUi shit the bed again! HIDE IT!!! BURY IT!!!! DONT LET IT SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY. WAAC!!!!!!!”

 

[garizzalies]

Again, you choose to believe her because it fits your narrative. That's fine. The DOJ investigation will determine if MSU was right or wrong. I just presented MSU's side of the story. When I read their side and all the actions they took the author's assertion that they ignored harassment didn't add up.

My turn to copy/paste:

"Alexandra Lin is the MSU student who wanted the no-contact order to stay in place and whose lawyer argued the university should have kept it in place to protect her."

"The no-contact order was between two students, however, and the other student was a plaintiff in a politically charged lawsuit against MSU. On March 3, the plaintiff signed a settlement to release MSU of charges on condition MSU dissolve the no-contact order."

"A March 8 notice to Lin, who was not party to the lawsuit, said MSU removed the no-contact order “independent of the litigation” (LIE, according to the article) and because no violations had occurred over 17 months."

Emphasis all mine. Link to article in OP.

This sounds berzerkers to me. Have you or Mr Hoops ever heard of something so crazy?

MSdUi unilaterally terminated the protective order without notice to the victim? How in the actual fuck can that be legal?

I don’t know what’s crazier: the fact that MSDUi unilaterally terminated the protective order without notice to the victim, or the fact that they tried to deny it?

Five days after the settlement in a “politically charged lawsuit” which conditioned the unilateral dismissal, MSdui tried to say it was independent? Do I have that right? WTF?

 

[BozAngelesGriz]

My turn to copy/paste:

"Alexandra Lin is the MSU student who wanted the no-contact order to stay in place and whose lawyer argued the university should have kept it in place to protect her."

"The no-contact order was between two students, however, and the other student was a plaintiff in a politically charged lawsuit against MSU. On March 3, the plaintiff signed a settlement to release MSU of charges on condition MSU dissolve the no-contact order."

"A March 8 notice to Lin, who was not party to the lawsuit, said MSU removed the no-contact order “independent of the litigation” (LIE, according to the article) and because no violations had occurred over 17 months."

Emphasis all mine. Link to article in OP.

This sounds berzerkers to me. Have you or Mr Hoops ever heard of something so crazy?

MSdUi unilaterally terminated the protective order without notice to the victim? How in the actual fudge can that be legal?

I don’t know what’s crazier: the fact that MSDUi unilaterally terminated the protective order without notice to the victim, or the fact that they tried to deny it?

Five days after the settlement in a “politically charged lawsuit” which conditioned the unilateral dismissal, MSdui tried to say it was independent? Do I have that right? WTF?

i bet it gets worse

 

[Bear Axed]

The "win at all costs" theory refers to the approach where achieving victory becomes the primary and often sole objective, even if it means bending or breaking rules, ethical standards, or fair play.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Amazing. Someone thought his/her/it's life was endangered, and looked for someone ELSE for protection. If I had thought someone was going to threaten my life, I'd have killed him/her/it. Bought my first handgun at 17. Parents or friends could have armed him/her/it, gun or knife, and provided training. This is all total horsesh*t, and shows how far this country has fallen.

Wow our hero!

 

[KRF64]

Universities will often issue no contact orders between students in student disputes. UM does it, MSU does it. Those are internal to the university, wholly separate to a court imposed Order of Protection. I have no doubt that what MSU lifted was their internal no contact order as they have no legal authority to lift a court issued Order of Protection. If the person went through the process to get a OOP, issued by a judge, they are still covered by that order. This is a poorly written article that does not explain that because it doesn't fit the authors agenda. Yes i do work at one of these two universities in a position to be very knowledgeable of this process.

 

[BozAngelesGriz]

Amazing. Someone thought his/her/it's life was endangered, and looked for someone ELSE for protection. If I had thought someone was going to threaten my life, I'd have killed him/her/it. Bought my first handgun at 17. Parents or friends could have armed him/her/it, gun or knife, and provided training. This is all total horsesh*t, and shows how far this country has fallen.

Wow our hero!

total badass. i bet he's wearing camo right now.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

My turn to copy/paste:

"Alexandra Lin is the MSU student who wanted the no-contact order to stay in place and whose lawyer argued the university should have kept it in place to protect her."

"The no-contact order was between two students, however, and the other student was a plaintiff in a politically charged lawsuit against MSU. On March 3, the plaintiff signed a settlement to release MSU of charges on condition MSU dissolve the no-contact order."

"A March 8 notice to Lin, who was not party to the lawsuit, said MSU removed the no-contact order “independent of the litigation” (LIE, according to the article) and because no violations had occurred over 17 months."

Emphasis all mine. Link to article in OP.

This sounds berzerkers to me. Have you or Mr Hoops ever heard of something so crazy?

MSdUi unilaterally terminated the protective order without notice to the victim? How in the actual fuck can that be legal?

I don’t know what’s crazier: the fact that MSDUi unilaterally terminated the protective order without notice to the victim, or the fact that they tried to deny it?

Five days after the settlement in a “politically charged lawsuit” which conditioned the unilateral dismissal, MSdui tried to say it was independent? Do I have that right? WTF?

According to the article, you have that right. It’s totally f’ed up. I’ve never heard of anything like it.

 

[SACCAT66]

Indeed. Is this a football thread? Mods, you blast away at 'Cat Trolls' all the time, but allow this? Certainly there's a better place for it. Like the Enquirer. Losers mentality on display again.

You can allllllways a tell a bub:

“Oh my god msdUi poop the bed again! HIDE IT!!! BURY IT!!!! DONT LET IT SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY. WAAC!!!!!!!”

Not all "Bubs" think that way...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Universities will often issue no contact orders between students in student disputes. UM does it, MSU does it. Those are internal to the university, wholly separate to a court imposed Order of Protection. I have no doubt that what MSU lifted was their internal no contact order as they have no legal authority to lift a court issued Order of Protection. If the person went through the process to get a OOP, issued by a judge, they are still covered by that order. This is a poorly written article that does not explain that because it doesn't fit the authors agenda. Yes i do work at one of these two universities in a position to be very knowledgeable of this process.

I wonder why they would dissolve the order as a condition of settlement and then tell the student it was independent of the litigation. Seems pretty shitty to me.

 

[garizzalies]

Universities will often issue no contact orders between students in student disputes. UM does it, MSU does it. Those are internal to the university, wholly separate to a court imposed Order of Protection. I have no doubt that what MSU lifted was their internal no contact order as they have no legal authority to lift a court issued Order of Protection. If the person went through the process to get a OOP, issued by a judge, they are still covered by that order. This is a poorly written article that does not explain that because it doesn't fit the authors agenda. Yes i do work at one of these two universities in a position to be very knowledgeable of this process.

I wonder why they would dissolve the order as a condition of settlement and then tell the student it was independent of the litigation. Seems pretty poop to me.

I think the worst part is, no notice to the victim. They unilaterally did this and did not tell her until days after!! And then tried to lie about it to cover their tracks. Yuck. Not sure it gets much worse than that