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MSU player back on team after felony dismissed
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Don't have to be a hypocrit or try to spin it because once again Ash handled it the exact same way he has handled every situation. It is called consistency. He was charged with a crime and was suspended until it was resolved (of course because it was a felony it is now automatic, but you can bet if it was a misdemeanor Ash still would have suspended him because that is what he has always done in the past). Due to how it was resolved he was allowed back on the team and will no doubt miss a game. Also (even though it has not been stated anywhere) given the way Ash has handled these situations you can bet if he makes another mistake he will be looking to long snap at an NAIA school.
Once again, let's see if you can understand how this is different from UM's prior handling of these situations: immediately coming out and saying "we will let the legal system run its course" while the player remains on the team, then after a little public backlash suspend the player for one quarter. Then let the player remain on the team the entire time charges are pending only to have him plead out literally within a week of the last game of the season being over
If you can't see the difference or understand it, I think that says alot about you.
And yes I recognize this is not how UM is handling these situations now but it was this system that led it to where it is now (NCAA, DOJ and DOE investigations) and it is amazing that some griz fans simply cannot admit it was a problem. To those Griz fans that do get it, this post is in no way directed towards you.
Once again, let's see if you can understand how this is different from UM's prior handling of these situations: immediately coming out and saying "we will let the legal system run its course" while the player remains on the team, then after a little public backlash suspend the player for one quarter. Then let the player remain on the team the entire time charges are pending only to have him plead out literally within a week of the last game of the season being over
If you can't see the difference or understand it, I think that says alot about you.
And yes I recognize this is not how UM is handling these situations now but it was this system that led it to where it is now (NCAA, DOJ and DOE investigations) and it is amazing that some griz fans simply cannot admit it was a problem. To those Griz fans that do get it, this post is in no way directed towards you.
doebrmn said:
And right on queue, one of the band leaders doesn't disappoint!!! :lol:
the difference isn't so much about how felonies are handled, because i'm quite sure we indefinitely suspend players charged with felonies just like m.s.u. maybe we handle misdemeanors slightly differently, but not felonies. you'll have a hard time finding any school that doesn't suspend a player for a felony until it's cleared up or dropped to a misdemeanor. please show me a distinct difference between how we've handled a misdemeanor compared to how m.s.u. has handled them.doebrmn said:
i'll point out that we've had football players get in trouble a much higher rate than m.s.u., but i don't think the difference in how they're handled is huge. i'm interested to see your comparisons of misdemeanors to misdemeanors.
doebrmn said:
What is being done-- and what has ALWAYS been done at Montana -- is the same as what was done by ash here. Reasonable cat posters understand that. The trolls like you (and here I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) also may understand it, but you're too large of tools to admit it.
again it isn't so much about who's a good guy or who handles things the most appropriately. the big issue is the constant trouble our players have been getting in for the past several years. the football team gets into trouble about 4-5 times for every one time a m.s.u. player (and that's probably the case when compared to most schools) gets in trouble. we need to figure out why and make it not happen at the rate it's happening. it would be nice to concentrate on football, not arrests.
Copper Griz
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A man cheats on his wife (A) and she finds out. Takes him back and "understands that he had a week moment". Man cheats again and (A) she takes him back once again - because she did not show him enough affection and did not sleep with him more than once a week. Man now becomes a consistent cheat because he knows there are no real consequences. Man B - cheats on his wife. Wife says to him, "you suck and are a loser". Man B signs divorce papers, loses half his assets and the party is over. Man B learns a hard lesson about consequences. Morale of the story is the Griz football players have had wife A over the last few years and it is time they learned about consequences. Sucks for the good kids on the team, but in the end we will be a better program because of it.
getgrizzy said:
I did. UM- Come out immediately and announce that program will let the legal system run its course (or in the further past say nothing at all), player stays on the team, pathetic discipline of one quarter suspension (if that, because most did not even result in any suspension), player pleads out after the season.
MSU - Come out immediately and announce player is suspended, once misdemeanor is resolved player still receives team discipline (typically a one game suspension, but can vary. e.g., Minter received internal discipline, Trammel was kicked off the team).
EverettGriz said:
How can you continue to say that when it is an undisputed fact that in the past UM has come out and said "we will let the legal system run its course", the players were not suspended, then after three days were given a one quarter suspension and then plead no contest to disorderly conduct within a week after the season was over. MSU under Ash has never taken this approach.
And that is just one example. On other occasions, there were no suspensions.
Are you dillusional or just in denial. UM was not handling these situations the "same" way Ash and MSU has handled them. That of course is why UM is currently under investigation by the NCAA, DOE and DOJ. Do you even realize these investigations are going on? Or are you still in denial like you were when you called me out when I told you that the NCAA was investigating UM. Gee who turned out to be right...I will give you a clue, it wasn't you.
Please provide ONE INSTANCE -- ONE -- in which UM has allowed anyone charged with a felony to stay on the team. Good luck in your search.
You know, just because you wish it (or read it on bcn :roll: ) doesn't make it so. Both teams handle discipline the same way.
As stated, reasonable cat fans get that. Trolls? Not so much....
You know, just because you wish it (or read it on bcn :roll: ) doesn't make it so. Both teams handle discipline the same way.
As stated, reasonable cat fans get that. Trolls? Not so much....
Blgs Griz Fan
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It is pretty easy for Coach St Ash to suspend a player in the off season. No harm there. It sure looks like the cat coach's took a lesson form the griz and let the legal system take care of the issue.
What is Minter's "internal" punishment? Is it something like osrting the towels before they are laundered and folding them after they come out of the dryer? It seems Zach is getting off really easy for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. That's not exactly someone I would want visiting a middle school in my town.
What is Minter's "internal" punishment? Is it something like osrting the towels before they are laundered and folding them after they come out of the dryer? It seems Zach is getting off really easy for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. That's not exactly someone I would want visiting a middle school in my town.
It is quite obvious that UM and msu fans will never agree on how the programs should and do handle player discipline.
However, we can all agree that the Griz have consistently handled the cats over the last twenty five years. Based on past history, I expect more of the same in the future. Enough said.
However, we can all agree that the Griz have consistently handled the cats over the last twenty five years. Based on past history, I expect more of the same in the future. Enough said.
What are you talking about, nobody has suggested that UM has allowed a player with a felony charge to stay on the team. Now it wouldn't even be a choice under new student guidelines. The discussion, and let's see if you can follow it, has been whether UM and MSU has handled players getting into trouble the same. And as has been pointed out, that answer is no. Now that you have lost that debate you want to start making up a phantom issue regarding whether UM has ever allowed a player with a felony to stay on the team when nobody has ever made such a statement.
Perhaps you should just go back into denial and pretend the NCAA isn't investigating. That seemed to work for you for a while. It's just too bad UM had to come out and announce it and shatter the bubble you live in.
Perhaps you should just go back into denial and pretend the NCAA isn't investigating. That seemed to work for you for a while. It's just too bad UM had to come out and announce it and shatter the bubble you live in.
Daly started the very first game his freshman year after his DUI, and ash never announced any suspension, penalty of otherwise until Daly quit the team then was welcomed back with open arms by everyone and the DUI has never been brought up?doebrmn said:
please explain? :?
doebrmn said:
OFFS. You get your ass handed to you as badly as your cats get theirs whenever they face the GRIZ and then you change the argument.
Troll.
Neanderthal
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Bear Axed said:
What did Quinn get for his 2 DUI's?