MSDUI-WEBER The key to the kittenz run game, and passing game

[CDAGRIZ]

Your position on this is well known. I personally do not think the staff and administration supports DUI and WAAC. I do not think any fans do either. But, you are entitled to your opinion.

My position is based purely and solely on the actions -- or more accurately the lack there of -- of msu's administration regarding multiple DUIs on their staff.

I mean, it's not as if they haven't had ample opportunity to make a clear and definitive statement that they do not support drinking and driving.

Since they -- quite literally -- made no statement whatsoever, it's not difficult to determine their position is pro-dui and WAAC.

Honestly I don't know how anyone could see it any differently

They appear to reward some of the DUI arrests with pay raises. Maybe it has to be three to earn the raise. Their silence and inaction leads me to believe that’s what it must be. Maybe it’s like a punchcard system or something? Like getting a free coffee. I have no idea. I have to wait for more facts to come out. Over ten months later.

 

[bigsky33]

Your position on this is well known. I personally do not think the staff and administration supports DUI and WAAC. I do not think any fans do either. But, you are entitled to your opinion.

My position is based purely and solely on the actions -- or more accurately the lack there of -- of msu's administration regarding multiple DUIs on their staff.

I mean, it's not as if they haven't had ample opportunity to make a clear and definitive statement that they do not support drinking and driving.

Since they -- quite literally -- made no statement whatsoever, it's not difficult to determine their position is pro-dui and WAAC.

Honestly I don't know how anyone could see it any differently

Like I said, I respect your opinion. I know a lot of the people involved and I know they do not support DUI and WAAC. And, like I said, I do not know of any Cat friends who do either. MSU has made it’s position clear since day one in stating they do not comment on employee matters.

 

[mthoopsfan]

My position is based purely and solely on the actions -- or more accurately the lack there of -- of msu's administration regarding multiple DUIs on their staff.

I mean, it's not as if they haven't had ample opportunity to make a clear and definitive statement that they do not support drinking and driving.

Since they -- quite literally -- made no statement whatsoever, it's not difficult to determine their position is pro-dui and WAAC.

Honestly I don't know how anyone could see it any differently

Like I said, I respect your opinion. I know a lot of the people involved and I know they do not support DUI and WAAC. And, like I said, I do not know of any Cat friends who do either. MSU has made it’s position clear since day one in stating they do not comment on employee matters.

MSU has already commented on these employee matters. There’s no policy.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

My position is based purely and solely on the actions -- or more accurately the lack there of -- of msu's administration regarding multiple DUIs on their staff.

I mean, it's not as if they haven't had ample opportunity to make a clear and definitive statement that they do not support drinking and driving.

Since they -- quite literally -- made no statement whatsoever, it's not difficult to determine their position is pro-dui and WAAC.

Honestly I don't know how anyone could see it any differently

Like I said, I respect your opinion. I know a lot of the people involved and I know they do not support DUI and WAAC. And, like I said, I do not know of any Cat friends who do either. MSU has made it’s position clear since day one in stating they do not comment on employee matters.

It’s an extremely convenient position to take if you’re WAAC. I know you’re not an idiot. I don’t think I’ve ever called you one, and if I have, I was wrong. Think. Just think. If this was any other program, maybe with a higher profile, what would it look like to you? What would be your opinion regarding how it was being handled? A raise for #3, but we won’t discuss it? Seriously?

 

[garizzalies]

My position is based purely and solely on the actions -- or more accurately the lack there of -- of msu's administration regarding multiple DUIs on their staff.

I mean, it's not as if they haven't had ample opportunity to make a clear and definitive statement that they do not support drinking and driving.

Since they -- quite literally -- made no statement whatsoever, it's not difficult to determine their position is pro-dui and WAAC.

Honestly I don't know how anyone could see it any differently

Like I said, I respect your opinion. I know a lot of the people involved and I know they do not support DUI and WAAC. And, like I said, I do not know of any Cat friends who do either. MSU has made it’s position clear since day one in stating they do not comment on employee matters.

This post is…….ass.
Total dog water.
Regurgitating lies and the same nonsense.

You don’t know “a lot of the people involved”. Who? In what have they been involved? Be specific or it’s a lie.

Show me one example of a bubcat that proves they “do not support DUIs.” Can you give one example of not supporting DUIs? Has anyone stood up to this crap? I see thousands of excuses from bubs for the DUIs but I am asking for tangible things, not hot air. Oh yeah, that’s right, Ryan Leaf!!! :lol:

And every bub is WAAC. Remember, we already covered this. If you weren’t WAAC, you’d be okay with vacating all wins. But you’re not, therefore you’re WAAC.

You also said MSU has made it’s position clear since day one. Is this a joke? Which day one are you talking about. Didn’t they change positions when the second incident happened, hundreds of days later? What have they been clear about? That the head coach is “gonna” comment on it someday when it’s all over?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Like I said, I respect your opinion. I know a lot of the people involved and I know they do not support DUI and WAAC. And, like I said, I do not know of any Cat friends who do either. MSU has made it’s position clear since day one in stating they do not comment on employee matters.

This post is…….ass.
Total dog water.
Regurgitating lies and the same nonsense.

You don’t know “a lot of the people involved”. Who? In what have they been involved? Be specific or it’s a lie.

Show me one example of a bubcat that proves they “do not support DUIs.” Can you give one example of not supporting DUIs? Has anyone stood up to this crap? I see thousands of excuses from bubs for the DUIs but I am asking for tangible things, not hot air. Oh yeah, that’s right, Ryan Leaf!!! :lol:

And every bub is WAAC. Remember, we already covered this. If you weren’t WAAC, you’d be okay with vacating all wins. But you’re not, therefore you’re WAAC.

You also said MSU has made it’s position clear since day one. Is this a joke? Which day one are you talking about. Didn’t they change positions when the second incident happened, hundreds of days later? What have they been clear about? That the head coach is “gonna” comment on it someday when it’s all over?

I don't know why anyone continues to engage with bigscum33. Dude is and has been a dui apologist since this started. He knows nothing about it...knows no one involved...and loves the ways it is being handled. He is the epitome of WAAC.

 

[poorgriz]

Like I said, I respect your opinion. I know a lot of the people involved and I know they do not support DUI and WAAC. And, like I said, I do not know of any Cat friends who do either. MSU has made it’s position clear since day one in stating they do not comment on employee matters.

It’s an extremely convenient position to take if you’re WAAC. I know you’re not an idiot. I don’t think I’ve ever called you one, and if I have, I was wrong. Think. Just think. If this was any other program, maybe with a higher profile, what would it look like to you? What would be your opinion regarding how it was being handled? A raise for #3, but we won’t discuss it? Seriously?

And as Colter profoundly pointed out, would any of you even care about this if the Cats weren't kicking the SH** out of the griz? The answer is NO. Absolutely not.

As you were.

 

[CatsRback]

I thought this was a ranked big sky thread? Huh. Just another dumpster fire. Does UM play tomorrow? Seems like a lot of eyes on MSU in Missoula this week….

 

[THE BETCH]

Why wouldn't our eyes be on the weebs vs. the bobs. The game shapes up as one of the best FCS contests this week. I'll be watching the Griz but you can bet your bottom dollar I will also take in that game. May the best team win.

 

[bigsky33]

This post is…….ass.
Total dog water.
Regurgitating lies and the same nonsense.

You don’t know “a lot of the people involved”. Who? In what have they been involved? Be specific or it’s a lie.

Show me one example of a bubcat that proves they “do not support DUIs.” Can you give one example of not supporting DUIs? Has anyone stood up to this crap? I see thousands of excuses from bubs for the DUIs but I am asking for tangible things, not hot air. Oh yeah, that’s right, Ryan Leaf!!! :lol:

And every bub is WAAC. Remember, we already covered this. If you weren’t WAAC, you’d be okay with vacating all wins. But you’re not, therefore you’re WAAC.

You also said MSU has made it’s position clear since day one. Is this a joke? Which day one are you talking about. Didn’t they change positions when the second incident happened, hundreds of days later? What have they been clear about? That the head coach is “gonna” comment on it someday when it’s all over?

I don't know why anyone continues to engage with bigscum33. Dude is and has been a dui apologist since this started. He knows nothing about it...knows no one involved...and loves the ways it is being handled. He is the epitome of WAAC.

If you read back on my posts on this issue, you will see that I have consistently disagreed with the way MSU has handled this. I have never apologized for any aspect of this. My position is that Garza should have been suspended until trial and if found guilty be fired. Housewright should also have been suspended until trial. I have also voiced my opinion on this to the AD. The bottom line is MSU has stated that they are handling it in accordance with their policy. We may disagree but that doesn't change anything.

 

[uofmman1122]

It’s an extremely convenient position to take if you’re WAAC. I know you’re not an idiot. I don’t think I’ve ever called you one, and if I have, I was wrong. Think. Just think. If this was any other program, maybe with a higher profile, what would it look like to you? What would be your opinion regarding how it was being handled? A raise for #3, but we won’t discuss it? Seriously?

And as Colter profoundly pointed out, would any of you even care about this if the Cats weren't kicking the SH** out of the griz? The answer is NO. Absolutely not.

As you were.

This is literally all you guys have to come back at us with. It has to be jealousy because we couldn't be principled in our critiques.

Just the weakest shit ever. A desperate group of fans who have nothing left to cling to.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I don't know why anyone continues to engage with bigscum33. Dude is and has been a dui apologist since this started. He knows nothing about it...knows no one involved...and loves the ways it is being handled. He is the epitome of WAAC.

If you read back on my posts on this issue, you will see that I have consistently disagreed with the way MSU has handled this. I have never apologized for any aspect of this. My position is that Garza should have been suspended until trial and if found guilty be fired. Housewright should also have been suspended until trial. I have also voiced my opinion on this to the AD. The bottom line is MSU has stated that they are handling it in accordance with their policy. We may disagree but that doesn't change anything.

MSU is hiding behind a non-existent policy. And they have “violated” the “policy” twice by speaking about both dui’s. One sooner; one way later. MSU looks like dishonest buffoons on this.

 

[EverettGriz]

I don't know why anyone continues to engage with bigscum33. Dude is and has been a dui apologist since this started. He knows nothing about it...knows no one involved...and loves the ways it is being handled. He is the epitome of WAAC.

If you read back on my posts on this issue, you will see that I have consistently disagreed with the way MSU has handled this. I have never apologized for any aspect of this. My position is that Garza should have been suspended until trial and if found guilty be fired. Housewright should also have been suspended until trial. I have also voiced my opinion on this to the AD. The bottom line is MSU has stated that they are handling it in accordance with their WAAC policy. We may disagree but that doesn't change anything.

One small edit to your post for accuracy.

 

[bigsky33]

If you read back on my posts on this issue, you will see that I have consistently disagreed with the way MSU has handled this. I have never apologized for any aspect of this. My position is that Garza should have been suspended until trial and if found guilty be fired. Housewright should also have been suspended until trial. I have also voiced my opinion on this to the AD. The bottom line is MSU has stated that they are handling it in accordance with their WAAC policy. We may disagree but that doesn't change anything.

One small edit to your post for accuracy.

Just to make this clear. The edit with the insertion of WAAC was done by you. My opinion, based on what I know of the people involved, is that WAAC is not the case. I know you all want to believe otherwise and that is your choice.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

One small edit to your post for accuracy.

Just to make this clear. The edit with the insertion of WAAC was done by you. My opinion, based on what I know of the people involved, is that WAAC is not the case. I know you all want to believe otherwise and that is your choice.

Your opinion is irrelevant. The actions of the head coach, AD, and University president have proven that they value winning more than doing the right thing. We all know it and you do too, you just don't want to admit it.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

One small edit to your post for accuracy.

Just to make this clear. The edit with the insertion of WAAC was done by you. My opinion, based on what I know of the people involved, is that WAAC is not the case. I know you all want to believe otherwise and that is your choice.

Why do you believe what you believe? Educate us. From every other perspective, it's WAAC.

Another question: What kind of crime would actually prompt the MSU administration to take action and not give a raise/new contract to someone out on bail? We've all seen the Bobfans saying "innocent until proven guilty", and that is true; from a criminal standpoint. That is not true from an employment standpoint, unless, of course, your policy is WAAC. Given your inside info, if a Bobcoach was arrested for possession of meth or cocaine after crashing a state vehicle and calling a subordinate to cover it up, would that be enough to not renew/raise? Or would it be "innocent until proven guilty" under MSU's policy?

 

[bigsky33]

Just to make this clear. The edit with the insertion of WAAC was done by you. My opinion, based on what I know of the people involved, is that WAAC is not the case. I know you all want to believe otherwise and that is your choice.

Why do you believe what you believe? Educate us. From every other perspective, it's WAAC.

Another question: What kind of crime would actually prompt the MSU administration to take action and not give a raise/new contract to someone out on bail? We've all seen the Bobfans saying "innocent until proven guilty", and that is true; from a criminal standpoint. That is not true from an employment standpoint, unless, of course, your policy is WAAC. Given your inside info, if a Bobcoach was arrested for possession of meth or cocaine after crashing a state vehicle and calling a subordinate to cover it up, would that be enough to not renew/raise? Or would it be "innocent until proven guilty" under MSU's policy?

I have given my views on this situation over and over. You all on here have too. I respect your opinions. I am done commenting on this, especially hypotheticals. It has been beat into a dead horse. MSU is going to do what they are going to do. They have to live with the consequences.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Just to make this clear. The edit with the insertion of WAAC was done by you. My opinion, based on what I know of the people involved, is that WAAC is not the case. I know you all want to believe otherwise and that is your choice.

Why do you believe what you believe? Educate us. From every other perspective, it's WAAC.

Another question: What kind of crime would actually prompt the MSU administration to take action and not give a raise/new contract to someone out on bail? We've all seen the Bobfans saying "innocent until proven guilty", and that is true; from a criminal standpoint. That is not true from an employment standpoint, unless, of course, your policy is WAAC. Given your inside info, if a Bobcoach was arrested for possession of meth or cocaine after crashing a state vehicle and calling a subordinate to cover it up, would that be enough to not renew/raise? Or would it be "innocent until proven guilty" under MSU's policy?

Or was accused of giving drugs to the students? Murdering a player? If you apply the logic of reduction to absurdity, saying the policy is to not do ANYTHING until the case is resolved would put the University into a LOT of hot water.

In this case, the obvious right answer was to suspend the coach and tell them that if they wanted to stay on staff they needed to get some treatment. That's my opinion, others can say demand a resignation or fire them. But regardless, doing absolutely nothing until the case is adjudicated is an objectively terrible policy.

 

[Irish$$$]

Not all Bobcat fans and parents are happy with what is going on with the DUI's. Character matters! Vigen's character has been shown to all of us through the behavior of his assistant coaches. Believe me, the demise of the program will not be because of the players, it will be because of the behaviors of the coaches.

What will be interesting to see is what MSU will do to the next athlete that gets a DUI.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Why do you believe what you believe? Educate us. From every other perspective, it's WAAC.

Another question: What kind of crime would actually prompt the MSU administration to take action and not give a raise/new contract to someone out on bail? We've all seen the Bobfans saying "innocent until proven guilty", and that is true; from a criminal standpoint. That is not true from an employment standpoint, unless, of course, your policy is WAAC. Given your inside info, if a Bobcoach was arrested for possession of meth or cocaine after crashing a state vehicle and calling a subordinate to cover it up, would that be enough to not renew/raise? Or would it be "innocent until proven guilty" under MSU's policy?

I have given my views on this situation over and over. You all on here have too. I respect your opinions. I am done commenting on this, especially hypotheticals. It has been beat into a dead horse. MSU is going to do what they are going to do. They have to live with the consequences.

But you can't tell us why you believe MSU's policy ISN'T WAAC? Just your hunch? Because there is a ton of evidence to the contrary, and MSU refuses to do or say anything to refute it. You just say that you "know some people involved". If that's the only reason you believe that the policy isn't WAAC, just say so.