Moving up

[hunt-ducks]

Montana has the facilities. Montana doesn’t have the population. Been opposed to moving up for a long time. No longer opposed because I believe the landscape changed dramatically. Sad times and the NCAA screwed the pooch in so many ways. Not sure the Griz can successfully compete at the next level. Certainly paddling for their lives at this level. MSU no different. When was the last time either won a natty?

In the recruiting thread, we read how much of a disadvantage our location in the frigid North location of Missoula is to recruiting the skill players from CA, AZ, and other states at our current FCS level. So, how would playing at the FBS level improve our chances in recruiting these skill players? The answer is, it would be even MORE DIFFICULT to recruit FBS caliber kids to UM. Instead of competing with 12 Big Sky schools at the FCS level for kids, we will now be going after more highly-recruited athletes, and every FBS school in the nation will be after these same kids.

This is exactly why Wyoming can no longer compete in recruiting the better FBS talent, and why Nebraska will never again be able to be a Top 10 program.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Montana has the facilities. Montana doesn’t have the population. Been opposed to moving up for a long time. No longer opposed because I believe the landscape changed dramatically. Sad times and the NCAA screwed the pooch in so many ways. Not sure the Griz can successfully compete at the next level. Certainly paddling for their lives at this level. MSU no different. When was the last time either won a natty?

In the recruiting thread, we read how much of a disadvantage our location in the frigid North location of Missoula is to recruiting the skill players from CA, AZ, and other states at our current FCS level. So, how would playing at the FBS level improve our chances in recruiting these skill players? The answer is, it would be even MORE DIFFICULT to recruit FBS caliber kids to UM. Instead of competing with 12 Big Sky schools at the FCS level for kids, we will now be going after more highly-recruited athletes, and every FBS school in the nation will be after these same kids.

This is exactly why Wyoming can no longer compete in recruiting the better FBS talent, and why Nebraska will never again be able to be a Top 10 program.

Is it colder now in Lincoln than it was in the '80's? :? :? Is it not also cold in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin...hell, any of the Big 10 cities? However does Cincinnati do it? BYU? Notre Dame? Michigan State? Minnesota? Iowa? Pitt? I mean, these are ALL top 25 teams....all play in cold weather and not a single one has a dome. Nebraska could easily be a top 10 program if they'd admit their mistake and fire Frost (ironic name, no?) and hire the right guy.

 

[vettert49]

Montana has the facilities. Montana doesn’t have the population. Been opposed to moving up for a long time. No longer opposed because I believe the landscape changed dramatically. Sad times and the NCAA screwed the pooch in so many ways. Not sure the Griz can successfully compete at the next level. Certainly paddling for their lives at this level. MSU no different. When was the last time either won a natty?

In the recruiting thread, we read how much of a disadvantage our location in the frigid North location of Missoula is to recruiting the skill players from CA, AZ, and other states at our current FCS level. So, how would playing at the FBS level improve our chances in recruiting these skill players? The answer is, it would be even MORE DIFFICULT to recruit FBS caliber kids to UM. Instead of competing with 12 Big Sky schools at the FCS level for kids, we will now be going after more highly-recruited athletes, and every FBS school in the nation will be after these same kids.

This is exactly why Wyoming can no longer compete in recruiting the better FBS talent, and why Nebraska will never again be able to be a Top 10 program.

Being in the "Higher" level will result in some of those border line players choosing to play, and start, in MT rather than riding the pine at a school with warmer weather. We already attract tweener recruit's, competing at the FBS level will only lead to more of the tweeners and lower level FBS talent to come our way. Success builds on itself, we have to start somewhere if we are going to go anywhere.

 

[kemajic]

In the recruiting thread, we read how much of a disadvantage our location in the frigid North location of Missoula is to recruiting the skill players from CA, AZ, and other states at our current FCS level. So, how would playing at the FBS level improve our chances in recruiting these skill players? The answer is, it would be even MORE DIFFICULT to recruit FBS caliber kids to UM. Instead of competing with 12 Big Sky schools at the FCS level for kids, we will now be going after more highly-recruited athletes, and every FBS school in the nation will be after these same kids.

This is exactly why Wyoming can no longer compete in recruiting the better FBS talent, and why Nebraska will never again be able to be a Top 10 program.

Is it colder now in Lincoln than it was in the '80's? :? :? Is it not also cold in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin...hell, any of the Big 10 cities? However does Cincinnati do it? BYU? Notre Dame? Michigan State? Minnesota? Iowa? Pitt? I mean, these are ALL top 25 teams....all play in cold weather and not a single one has a dome. Nebraska could easily be a top 10 program if they'd admit their mistake and fire Frost (ironic name, no?) and hire the right guy.

It's not just about weather, it's also about remoteness of location. We're not close to the population centers like those you mention. Most recruits are not looking to go 2000 miles to go to college. It's why we recruit the Seattle area so hard, it's the closest population center. Many recruits like to have family and friends be able to come see them play and they want to be able to get home for breaks.

 

[Spanky2]

Is it colder now in Lincoln than it was in the '80's? :? :? Is it not also cold in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin...hell, any of the Big 10 cities? However does Cincinnati do it? BYU? Notre Dame? Michigan State? Minnesota? Iowa? Pitt? I mean, these are ALL top 25 teams....all play in cold weather and not a single one has a dome. Nebraska could easily be a top 10 program if they'd admit their mistake and fire Frost (ironic name, no?) and hire the right guy.

It's not just about weather, it's also about remoteness of location. We're not close to the population centers like those you mention. Most recruits are not looking to go 2000 miles to go to college. It's why we recruit the Seattle area so hard, it's the closest population center. Many recruits like to have family and friends be able to come see them play and they want to be able to get home for breaks.

Remoteness of location is a factor, but perhaps not as big as you stated. Student-athletes from all over the world and nation attend various universities and play their chosen sport.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Is it colder now in Lincoln than it was in the '80's? :? :? Is it not also cold in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin...hell, any of the Big 10 cities? However does Cincinnati do it? BYU? Notre Dame? Michigan State? Minnesota? Iowa? Pitt? I mean, these are ALL top 25 teams....all play in cold weather and not a single one has a dome. Nebraska could easily be a top 10 program if they'd admit their mistake and fire Frost (ironic name, no?) and hire the right guy.

It's not just about weather, it's also about remoteness of location. We're not close to the population centers like those you mention. Most recruits are not looking to go 2000 miles to go to college. It's why we recruit the Seattle area so hard, it's the closest population center. Many recruits like to have family and friends be able to come see them play and they want to be able to get home for breaks.

I get that. I'm saying I don't think it's about the weather AT ALL. Plenty of cold weather teams are successful (and recruit successfully).

 

[kemajic]

It's not just about weather, it's also about remoteness of location. We're not close to the population centers like those you mention. Most recruits are not looking to go 2000 miles to go to college. It's why we recruit the Seattle area so hard, it's the closest population center. Many recruits like to have family and friends be able to come see them play and they want to be able to get home for breaks.

I get that. I'm saying I don't think it's about the weather AT ALL. Plenty of cold weather teams are successful (and recruit successfully).

I hear you. Doubt the Seattle kid cares about the weather in Missoula, but bet many S. CA kids do.

 

[Griz til I die]

I think a lot of you guys are overthinking this. The simplest reason for why the cats and Griz aren't moving up is because they have nowhere to go. The Mountain West isn't looking to expand (which is dumb of them), and until they change their mind, there are no options for a move up unless we go independent which is a terrible idea. And for those commending Sam Houston and Jacksonville State for joining C-USA, just know that they are headed into a massive dumpster fire. The C-USA has the worst TV deals in the FBS that only payout to around $500,000 per school. Interesting fact, Missouri State got an invite to join C-USA and told them no thank you because of how big of a disaster the conference is right now. Gonna be real fun when New Mexico State has to go all the way to UCONN for a football game. Plus, the MAC is getting ready to poach Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee, leaving C-USA for the time being with only 3 schools in the conference (LA Tech, FIU, UTEP). Moving up to FBS isn't always as glamorous as it may seem.

 

[kemajic]

The simplest reason for why the cats and Griz aren't moving up is because they have nowhere to go.

This

 

[IdaGriz01]

... the MAC is getting ready to poach Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee, leaving C-USA for the time being with only 3 schools in the conference (LA Tech, FIU, UTEP). Moving up to FBS isn't always as glamorous as it may seem.

When you look at the overall picture, the MAC might be considered the most forward-thinking G5 conference. They have aggressively pursued TV deals ... even when it means that their teams play a bunch of weekday games. I've lost track of how many bowl "auto-invites" they've negotiated (but it's a lot). And they're ready to expand further with two additions that actually make sense in terms of travel and potential rivalries. Yes, it would extend the MAC further south than it has been ... but not that much. And it would be a huge plus for WK and MTSU in terms of TV deals compared to C-USA.

Admin for C-USA are making "brave" (desperate?) statements about rebuilding themselves, but it's hard to see how that might happen. Gonna be interesting.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I get that. I'm saying I don't think it's about the weather AT ALL. Plenty of cold weather teams are successful (and recruit successfully).

I hear you. Doubt the Seattle kid cares about the weather in Missoula, but bet many S. CA kids do.

If I were a SoCal player and I had the option of going to UM, EWU CP or Sac State to play, I'd more than likely pick CP or Sac State, to give my family the ability to come to a game or two a year (all things educationally being equal). I think it's Degree, Coaching connection, Proximity to home, Campus Environment, Game Day/Fan Involvement, Extracurricular activities, and Weather...in that order or something close to it.

 

[kemajic]

I hear you. Doubt the Seattle kid cares about the weather in Missoula, but bet many S. CA kids do.

If I were a SoCal player and I had the option of going to UM, EWU CP or Sac State to play, I'd more than likely pick CP or Sac State, to give my family the ability to come to a game or two a year (all things educationally being equal). I think it's Degree, Coaching connection, Proximity to home, Campus Environment, Game Day/Fan Involvement, Extracurricular activities, and Weather...in that order or something close to it.

I'm with you on a lot of it. But can't get on board that degree is #1 for 18 year-olds. Went through this myself once. The CA recruits got homesick real fast. The midwest kids did better with Missoula.

 

[Spanky2]

I think a lot of you guys are overthinking this. The simplest reason for why the cats and Griz aren't moving up is because they have nowhere to go. The Mountain West isn't looking to expand (which is dumb of them), and until they change their mind, there are no options for a move up unless we go independent which is a terrible idea. And for those commending Sam Houston and Jacksonville State for joining C-USA, just know that they are headed into a massive dumpster fire. The C-USA has the worst TV deals in the FBS that only payout to around $500,000 per school. Interesting fact, Missouri State got an invite to join C-USA and told them no thank you because of how big of a disaster the conference is right now. Gonna be real fun when New Mexico State has to go all the way to UCONN for a football game. Plus, the MAC is getting ready to poach Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee, leaving C-USA for the time being with only 3 schools in the conference (LA Tech, FIU, UTEP). Moving up to FBS isn't always as glamorous as it may seem.

$500,000.00 per school TV pay out. What was the Big Sky Conference TV pay out per school?
Have you been told by the Mountain West Conference that they won’t consider expanding?

 

[AZGrizFan]

If I were a SoCal player and I had the option of going to UM, EWU CP or Sac State to play, I'd more than likely pick CP or Sac State, to give my family the ability to come to a game or two a year (all things educationally being equal). I think it's Degree, Coaching connection, Proximity to home, Campus Environment, Game Day/Fan Involvement, Extracurricular activities, and Weather...in that order or something close to it.

I'm with you on a lot of it. But can't get on board that degree is #1 for 18 year-olds. Went through this myself once. The CA recruits got homesick real fast. The midwest kids did better with Missoula.

Well if degree isn't #1, then that blows any theory as to why MSU gets ANY good in-state recruits.... :lol: :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

I think a lot of you guys are overthinking this. The simplest reason for why the cats and Griz aren't moving up is because they have nowhere to go. The Mountain West isn't looking to expand (which is dumb of them), and until they change their mind, there are no options for a move up unless we go independent which is a terrible idea. And for those commending Sam Houston and Jacksonville State for joining C-USA, just know that they are headed into a massive dumpster fire. The C-USA has the worst TV deals in the FBS that only payout to around $500,000 per school. Interesting fact, Missouri State got an invite to join C-USA and told them no thank you because of how big of a disaster the conference is right now. Gonna be real fun when New Mexico State has to go all the way to UCONN for a football game. Plus, the MAC is getting ready to poach Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee, leaving C-USA for the time being with only 3 schools in the conference (LA Tech, FIU, UTEP). Moving up to FBS isn't always as glamorous as it may seem.

I'd rather be in a conference with fewer schools than the shitshow we're currently involved in.

 

[Griz til I die]

I think a lot of you guys are overthinking this. The simplest reason for why the cats and Griz aren't moving up is because they have nowhere to go. The Mountain West isn't looking to expand (which is dumb of them), and until they change their mind, there are no options for a move up unless we go independent which is a terrible idea. And for those commending Sam Houston and Jacksonville State for joining C-USA, just know that they are headed into a massive dumpster fire. The C-USA has the worst TV deals in the FBS that only payout to around $500,000 per school. Interesting fact, Missouri State got an invite to join C-USA and told them no thank you because of how big of a disaster the conference is right now. Gonna be real fun when New Mexico State has to go all the way to UCONN for a football game. Plus, the MAC is getting ready to poach Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee, leaving C-USA for the time being with only 3 schools in the conference (LA Tech, FIU, UTEP). Moving up to FBS isn't always as glamorous as it may seem.

I'd rather be in a conference with fewer schools than the shitshow we're currently involved in.

Well except for C-USA, all of the FBS conferences are huge now. The Sun Belt has 16 teams. I guess it's ok though since they have divisions and conference championships, but every conference so far has gotten bigger except for C-USA.

 

[Griz til I die]

I think a lot of you guys are overthinking this. The simplest reason for why the cats and Griz aren't moving up is because they have nowhere to go. The Mountain West isn't looking to expand (which is dumb of them), and until they change their mind, there are no options for a move up unless we go independent which is a terrible idea. And for those commending Sam Houston and Jacksonville State for joining C-USA, just know that they are headed into a massive dumpster fire. The C-USA has the worst TV deals in the FBS that only payout to around $500,000 per school. Interesting fact, Missouri State got an invite to join C-USA and told them no thank you because of how big of a disaster the conference is right now. Gonna be real fun when New Mexico State has to go all the way to UCONN for a football game. Plus, the MAC is getting ready to poach Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee, leaving C-USA for the time being with only 3 schools in the conference (LA Tech, FIU, UTEP). Moving up to FBS isn't always as glamorous as it may seem.

I'd rather be in a conference with fewer schools than the shitshow we're currently involved in.

Well except for C-USA, all of the FBS conferences are huge now. The Sun Belt has 16 teams. I guess it's ok though since they have divisions and conference championships, but every conference so far has gotten bigger except for C-USA.

 

[Griz til I die]

I think a lot of you guys are overthinking this. The simplest reason for why the cats and Griz aren't moving up is because they have nowhere to go. The Mountain West isn't looking to expand (which is dumb of them), and until they change their mind, there are no options for a move up unless we go independent which is a terrible idea. And for those commending Sam Houston and Jacksonville State for joining C-USA, just know that they are headed into a massive dumpster fire. The C-USA has the worst TV deals in the FBS that only payout to around $500,000 per school. Interesting fact, Missouri State got an invite to join C-USA and told them no thank you because of how big of a disaster the conference is right now. Gonna be real fun when New Mexico State has to go all the way to UCONN for a football game. Plus, the MAC is getting ready to poach Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee, leaving C-USA for the time being with only 3 schools in the conference (LA Tech, FIU, UTEP). Moving up to FBS isn't always as glamorous as it may seem.

$500,000.00 per school TV pay out. What was the Big Sky Conference TV pay out per school?
Have you been told by the Mountain West Conference that they won’t consider expanding?

IDK how much the new ESPN deal is paying each school but I would imagine that it's much better than anything we've ever had in the past. I do know that ROOT sports before this year paid each school $100,000 as I remember hearing Jim O'Day say that. I'm guessing it's less than that this year since ROOT took less games this season.

And no, the Mountain West commissioner did not tell me that, but he did say that the Mountain West was not looking to expand at this time. So you tell me what we should do.

 

[Spanky2]

I think a lot of you guys are overthinking this. The simplest reason for why the cats and Griz aren't moving up is because they have nowhere to go. The Mountain West isn't looking to expand (which is dumb of them), and until they change their mind, there are no options for a move up unless we go independent which is a terrible idea. And for those commending Sam Houston and Jacksonville State for joining C-USA, just know that they are headed into a massive dumpster fire. The C-USA has the worst TV deals in the FBS that only payout to around $500,000 per school. Interesting fact, Missouri State got an invite to join C-USA and told them no thank you because of how big of a disaster the conference is right now. Gonna be real fun when New Mexico State has to go all the way to UCONN for a football game. Plus, the MAC is getting ready to poach Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee, leaving C-USA for the time being with only 3 schools in the conference (LA Tech, FIU, UTEP). Moving up to FBS isn't always as glamorous as it may seem.

$500,000.00 per school TV pay out. What was the Big Sky Conference TV pay out per school?
Have you been told by the Mountain West Conference that they won’t consider expanding?

IDK how much the new ESPN deal is paying each school but I would imagine that it's much better than anything we've ever had in the past. I do know that ROOT sports before this year paid each school $100,000 as I remember hearing Jim O'Day say that. I'm guessing it's less than that this year since ROOT took less games this season.

And no, the Mountain West commissioner did not tell me that, but he did say that the Mountain West was not looking to expand at this time. So you tell me what we should do.

$500,000.00 per school TV pay out. What was the Big Sky Conference TV pay out per school?
Have you been told by the Mountain West Conference that they won’t consider expanding?

IDK how much the new ESPN deal is paying each school but I would imagine that it's much better than anything we've ever had in the past. I do know that ROOT sports before this year paid each school $100,000 as I remember hearing Jim O'Day say that. I'm guessing it's less than that this year since ROOT took less games this season.

And no, the Mountain West commissioner did not tell me that, but he did say that the Mountain West was not looking to expand at this time. So you tell me what we should do.

Get on an airplane, knock on their door and make a presentation.

 

[kemajic]

Get on an airplane, knock on their door and make a presentation.

Right after you get BOR approval.

This is all very interesting, but personally I'm here figuring out how we're going to beat UNC on Saturday.