Mover-Ups Doing Well

[Spanky]

well, you keep it the same folks are safe. Given our current administration, BOR and the negative attitude that we can't compete at the FBS level may make a move to a better conference impossible....ever! Enjoy Northern Colorado, Southern Utah and the Big Sky Conference under the leadership of Mr. Bobcat.

 

[Blue Tears]

Blue Tears....weather isn't a consideration, or, at least, way down on the list of importance in the minds of the recruits and parents. School, conference, academics, coach are the topics of consideration....not weather. I went through the process with two youngsters.

Just because weather/location didn't matter to your two kids doesn't mean it doesn't factor in to someone else. Listen, I would agree that other areas would seem to be more important than the cold, but it is still something that we don't have going for us when recruiting against many others. If we move up, I just don't think we would have the same recruiting advantage over most of the MWC schools that we enjoy now? Like I said, just my two cents.

It is not worth :twocents:

No reason to be a jerk about it. If you don't agree that is fine, but at least be respectful. If you want to offer an opinion, at least put some thought In a response.

 

[Blue Tears]

well, you keep it the same folks are safe. Given our current administration, BOR and the negative attitude that we can't compete at the FBS level may make a move to a better conference impossible....ever! Enjoy Northern Colorado, Southern Utah and the Big Sky Conference under the leadership of Mr. Bobcat.

If you think The Griz are so small time, then you should seriously think about choosing a different team to root for. You do realize that we have been FCS/1AA for almost 40 years. That must stink being discontent for that long. As for the weather, I said it wasn't as big of a factor. It is just something else to consider though. Ohio state and Notre Dame get recruits from other areas because they have superlative reputations and facilities. If we move to the MWC, we won't have the same edge that they currently enjoy. Those colleges are household names. We sometimes get recruiting services and occasionally recruits who confuse us with MSU.

 

[grizindabox]

Blue Tears....weather isn't a consideration, or, at least, way down on the list of importance in the minds of the recruits and parents. School, conference, academics, coach are the topics of consideration....not weather. I went through the process with two youngsters.

Just because weather/location didn't matter to your two kids doesn't mean it doesn't factor in to someone else. Listen, I would agree that other areas would seem to be more important than the cold, but it is still something that we don't have going for us when recruiting against many others. If we move up, I just don't think we would have the same recruiting advantage over most of the MWC schools that we enjoy now? Like I said, just my two cents.

It is not worth :twocents:

No reason to be a jerk about it. If you don't agree that is fine, but at least be respectful. If you want to offer an opinion, at least put some thought In a response.

Weather is way down the list as a deciding factor and has minimal influence on the ability of cold climate teams to recruit quality kids. Secondly, seems to me that there are many FCS teams that UM should have a recruiting advantage over...yet it does not seem that they do...If Montana moved the the MWC, they would be able to recruit just fine...

 

[Blue Tears]

Yet the best two MWC schools are in Boise & SLC. Their weather is identical (or worse). Sorry man, your logic doesn't fly.[/quote]

Just a few facts. SLC and Boise are not colder than Missoula. Slc has much more mild winters and is warmer in every season. You have been living in Texas for too long if you think otherwise. I indicated that weather is a small consideration. I made many points and you guys want to pick apart one statement about weather not helping us in recruiting. Once again, weather is a small consideration. For some kids I am sure it doesn't matter at all. I just said it doesn't do us any favors. It is rare that a kid says I chose Montana because it so cold in the winter. Even our own players from CA and Arizona remark how they don't like playing in the cold.

 

[Blue Tears]

Griz in da box,

So your logic is that we are having trouble recruiting against Eastern Washington, but would be fine vs Boise State?

 

[Blue Tears]

small-minded + "no way" ≠ fans[/quote]

So people who have a different opinion than you aren't real fans? Wow, that is a mature outlook.

 

[grizindabox]

Griz in da box,

So your logic is that we are having trouble recruiting against Eastern Washington, but would be fine vs Boise State?

My point is, kids decide to go to a certain school based on many individual reasons and trying to make a huge deal out of weather is nonsense. UM loses kids now based on those reasons and would no matter what conference or level they were playing. Second, UM could eventually recruit on the same level as Boise...but I like how you picked the most extreme example to make your point...I feel they could recruit on the same level as MWC teams as a whole...And FCS is small time...it just so has it that many fans of those particular schools are OK with it...nothing wrong with that...

 

[JSWNBBY]

Small is beautiful.

Montana does not have the population to compete, nor should we try to be what we are not.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Small is beautiful.

Montana does not have the population to compete, nor should we try to be what we are not.

:roll: Oh, good. More population discussion. SMH.

 

[Spanky]

Blue Tears: the Montana weather was one of your points why we can't compete at a higher level. Now you say, not so much. So, why can't we compete? Because you say so? By the way, thanks for the history lesson of the UM involvement in FCS football.

 

[Blue Tears]

Griz in da box,

So your logic is that we are having trouble recruiting against Eastern Washington, but would be fine vs Boise State?

My point is, kids decide to go to a certain school based on many individual reasons and trying to make a huge deal out of weather is nonsense. UM loses kids now based on those reasons and would no matter what conference or level they were playing. Second, UM could eventually recruit on the same level as Boise...but I like how you picked the most extreme example to make your point...I feel they could recruit on the same level as MWC teams as a whole...And FCS is small time...it just so has it that many fans of those particular schools are OK with it...nothing wrong with that...

I didn't make a big deal of the weather. I just said it doesn't help. This is the third time I am writing that I agree the weather isn't a huge deciding factor, but that it doesn't help us in recruiting players vs schools with comparable facilities etc... Your prediction that we could recruit with BoIse is going out on an extreme limb though. Please detail the recruiting advantages we currently have vs Boise? The reason I brought them up was because AZ pointed out that the Broncos and Utah are recruiting well.

 

[Blue Tears]

I love Missoula as well. It is a great place. But what is preferable to us is not always great for a kid who would be venturing 2000 miles from home. If people grow up in an area, they are more likely to want to stay around that general place. That is why we don't recruit in Florida much any more even though it is an extremely fertile ground for football players. The cold up here is not the best recruiting tool generally either. I love Montana, but not all kids in warmer climates or other areas are going to choose us over comparable offers close to home. We can out recruit Sac State etc because we have facilities and tradition. We have neither of those as an advantage if we move up. Just my two cents. I appreciate you guys and your opinions. It helps for me to see the other side of things as well. I just happen to disagree on this particular topic.

This was my original post about the weather. It was made after approximately 10 posts of mine on why I think staying out is better. Like I mentioned,this was my first mention of weather. I really fail where I am making such a big deal out of it. I do believe it doesn't help in recruiting. That is it. I am not saying it is a huge detriment. I have listed many reasons why I think then griz would have more trouble recruiting in FBS. Why don't some of you list your ideas on why moving up would improve recruiting to the point that we could successfully compete at the FBS level. It is always easy to criticize someone else's ideas.

 

[Fahque]

 

[SoldierGriz]

:lol:

 

[Blue Tears]

Blue Tears: the Montana weather was one of your points why we can't compete at a higher level. Now you say, not so much. So, why can't we compete? Because you say so? By the way, thanks for the history lesson of the UM involvement in FCS football.

I just don't understand why you have been a Griz fan for so long when you obviously think Fcs is a joke. If you read all of my posts, I have detailed my thoughts on why I think it would be difficult to compete in fbs. Whether you agree or not, I have shared my thoughts. Why don't you offer some ideas as to why our recruiting at the next level would go so well.

 

[Spanky]

I have been a Griz fan, probably longer than you have been alive. However, you are correct, I don't like the FCS, nor the affiliated schools within the Big Sky Conference. That doesn't translate to not being a Griz fan.

 

[UTGrizFan]

Bottom line I would still love to see the Griz play teams like Wyoming, Idaho and Colorado State then teams like Northern Colorado and UC-Davis.

 

[Blue Tears]

I have been a Griz fan, probably longer than you have been alive. However, you are correct, I don't like the FCS, nor the affiliated schools within the Big Sky Conference. That doesn't translate to not being a Griz fan.

I was definitely not questioning whether you are a fan or not, your passion for the Griz is obvious. I like and respect that. I was just having trouble understanding why with the Griz being an FCS school and your disdain for this level, why you started as a Griz fan. No big deal, I was just puzzled. Even though I disagree with you on the FBS move topic, I think Griz Nation is great largely because of the passion that comes from fans like you. Go Griz.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I have been a Griz fan, probably longer than you have been alive. However, you are correct, I don't like the FCS, nor the affiliated schools within the Big Sky Conference. That doesn't translate to not being a Griz fan.

I was definitely not questioning whether you are a fan or not, your passion for the Griz is obvious. I like and respect that. I was just having trouble understanding why with the Griz being an FCS school and your disdain for this level, why you started as a Griz fan. No big deal, I was just puzzled. Even though I disagree with you on the FBS move topic, I think Griz Nation is great largely because of the passion that comes from fans like you. Go Griz.

You understand the concept of being born into it, yes?