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Move to FBS - Our own study
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djollieballs
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PlayerRep said:
What evidence supports that? Boise's record says otherwise, unlike UM's record vs the CAA under Booby Hack. They are able to compete with the best of the Pac-10, MWC, and Big-12 while Hack's teams couldn't beat the third place CAA team in most years or 2nd place SoCon team. UMass, UR, James Madison, Nova, an Wofford all took turns proving how overrated and his staff were. Meanwhile, our former conference foe was proving that they actually belonged and weren't outright frauds with bloated win records thanks to cupcake scheduling policies.
We may be near the top of the division every year and can beat most of the other teams on any given weekend, but we would finish no higher than 5th in the CAA in any given year under Hauck and that is actually able to be extrapolated from the data of our records vs those teams in the last 4 years.
Like I've said, DJ, stick with being a troll, because that's what you're good at. But stay away from trying to say anything substantive about football, because you obviously don't have any understanding of the game, and never played it. And, you can't read. You can't even understand the difference between winning a big game once or twice a year, and competing in top conference season after season. I enjoy watching you continuing to make a total fool of yourself.
... didn't the Griz beat the #1 team from the CAA and the #1 team from the SoCon recently?
djollieballs
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PlayerRep said:
I do understand. The Griz may have been able to win that one or two games vs NH and JMU, but generally they got their isht pushed in vs the third place finishing CAA team.
The Griz under Hauck would not be able to compete in the CAA week in, week out. I think that you'll find most national posters would agree with that statement. Griz got where they did under Hauck because of cupcake scheduling and favorable seeding that gave them home field advantage throughout most of the last two playoff runs and they got lucky in the JMU game because of turnovers. That is the prevailing national opinion, now I realize that you like to go across the grain and be in the fringe minority homer crowd to try to appeal to joe sixpack buckhunter Montana guy, but you're wrong here.
PR, stick with being a smug old relic that people hang on only because they want something, not because they actually like your ridiculously grating personality. You're a walking character study in that regard.
Boise wins their big games.
Montana doesn't.
Get over it.
djollieballs said:
At least, I understand the game of football and support the Griz. You don't have a clue about football, nor do you support the team.
You must still be sore about how Griz athletes used to come over to your frat house, walk off with the cute girls, and, occasionally, have to put some of you wimp types in your place.
You are a joke--and you're afraid to even show your face in Missoula.
Many on this board re: this topic might be interested in this link:
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12564
This topic is at the same high pitch elsewhere with FCS school fans as at eGriz, with some references to the BSC. One note that's been made & I think interesting. While Hofstra & the other school in the east have dropped their football programs, Old Dominion has revived its football program & Liberty Univ., the new kid on the block, is expanding its athletics, esp. football with stadium expansions, etc. And, teams I've never heard of, Texas State & Univ. of Texas at San Antonio, are talking moving up in the coming reconfiguration. Stir the FCS well, but don't shake. UM & the BSC are not the only ones concerned re: the coming reconfiguration.
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12564
This topic is at the same high pitch elsewhere with FCS school fans as at eGriz, with some references to the BSC. One note that's been made & I think interesting. While Hofstra & the other school in the east have dropped their football programs, Old Dominion has revived its football program & Liberty Univ., the new kid on the block, is expanding its athletics, esp. football with stadium expansions, etc. And, teams I've never heard of, Texas State & Univ. of Texas at San Antonio, are talking moving up in the coming reconfiguration. Stir the FCS well, but don't shake. UM & the BSC are not the only ones concerned re: the coming reconfiguration.
Here's a link to a summary of the GSU feasibility study. I previously read it cover to cover. It essentially concludes that GSU would not be able to move to I-A due to the financial aspects. Here are some quotes from the summary.
"In order to effectively support the move to FBS, an additional $5.1 million would need to be generated annually to meet the increased program operating costs needed to maintain an FBS program, assuming play in the Sun Belt Conference or a similar new conference comprised of current FBS programs and FCS programs that would also make the transition to FBS. Facility capital improvements would add an additional annual debt service requirement of $2.25 million for stadium and practice facilities in 2013 as well as a further $3.2 million when the Arena project is undertaken. This would total $7.3 million annually initially and $10.5 million when the Arena project is undertaken, assuming all costs are bonded. Along with this debt service projection, maintenance projections of $325,000 for the Paulson Stadium improvements and the FB Practice facility and an additional $500,000 for arena annual maintenance costs when implemented are expected."
"Conclusion
Georgia Southern University could successfully make the transition from NCAA FCS to FBS from a competitive athletic perspective. There is much less confidence in the financial capability to meet the challenge of existing in the high cost and high inflation rate that comes with NCAA FBS. The risk is considerable and the rewards need to be calculated in some concept other than revenue generation. The experience of almost all of those institutions that have reclassified is the dramatic increase in the cost to the institution of intercollegiate athletics. It is not a financial decision to be made based upon a profit motive. It is a decision that more likely should be based upon the prestige of being in the “major leagues” and how that will benefit the institution as it contemplates its future growth and direction."
http://www.southernpigskin.com/index.php/site/gsu_fbs_feasibility_summary/
"In order to effectively support the move to FBS, an additional $5.1 million would need to be generated annually to meet the increased program operating costs needed to maintain an FBS program, assuming play in the Sun Belt Conference or a similar new conference comprised of current FBS programs and FCS programs that would also make the transition to FBS. Facility capital improvements would add an additional annual debt service requirement of $2.25 million for stadium and practice facilities in 2013 as well as a further $3.2 million when the Arena project is undertaken. This would total $7.3 million annually initially and $10.5 million when the Arena project is undertaken, assuming all costs are bonded. Along with this debt service projection, maintenance projections of $325,000 for the Paulson Stadium improvements and the FB Practice facility and an additional $500,000 for arena annual maintenance costs when implemented are expected."
"Conclusion
Georgia Southern University could successfully make the transition from NCAA FCS to FBS from a competitive athletic perspective. There is much less confidence in the financial capability to meet the challenge of existing in the high cost and high inflation rate that comes with NCAA FBS. The risk is considerable and the rewards need to be calculated in some concept other than revenue generation. The experience of almost all of those institutions that have reclassified is the dramatic increase in the cost to the institution of intercollegiate athletics. It is not a financial decision to be made based upon a profit motive. It is a decision that more likely should be based upon the prestige of being in the “major leagues” and how that will benefit the institution as it contemplates its future growth and direction."
http://www.southernpigskin.com/index.php/site/gsu_fbs_feasibility_summary/
PlayerRep said:
This is the rub. Posts on this board crow about the increased revenue in the FBS, but this study points out that more than that is needed, perhaps $1,2 million, at least. If Ga. Southern, a storied FCS program, can't make it financially, how do we think we can? Maybe GSU has the sugar daddies (wealthy individuals like Denny Washington, or rich local corp's). I don't think there's any funding outside of Mr. Washington that can come up with the additional guaranteed money, & Mr. Washington has done more than enough for UM, all around. Hell, it's a problem just raising the money to attract the NC game here for the 3 yr. requirment.
I think the answer is UM stays in the FCS, but tries to get into a more challenging conference than the BSC.
djollieballs
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PlayerRep said:
I think your "support" of the Jimmy Wilson escapade and frat house gang stompings in particular has done the team much more harm than good in the realm of national perception.
I also may be joke to you, but no one else really cares too much about little old me. You on the other hand are a very, very well known joke.
Cue the "cute" girls walking off with the dudes that just ganged stomped the townie out in front of the house.
Dennis Washington isn't going to fund any move, and probably not the facilities improvement. While he and Mrs. Washington have been tremendous contributors to the University, their foundation has changed a great deal since the original stadium deal. It is now a full time organization. Additionally, their mission statement is very well-defined. They contribute primarily to education and health and human services projects, as well as various areas of the arts and community service. They do not routinely donate to athletic projects anymore.
This could change, but in the recent years, these types of requests (athletics, including youth athletics) have been responded to by informing the organization that it is outside of the current scope of the foundation.
This could change, but in the recent years, these types of requests (athletics, including youth athletics) have been responded to by informing the organization that it is outside of the current scope of the foundation.
Funny that while DJ attacks Griz players for "frat house gang stompings" he's quick to defend his own frat who just this last spring had a few of its own (now removed I believe) members swinging samurai swords at people and Griz players.
Double standard, but that's DJ's world I guess.
Double standard, but that's DJ's world I guess.
UofMGrizFan
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Re/MaxGriz said:
Damn how did I miss reading that in the kaimin.
