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Move to FBS - Our own study
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CrunchGriz
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elkmcc said:
Of course you're right about double entry accounting. I was looking to view this more as an exercise in cash flow than in true double entry accounting.
To that end, perhaps I should list the the capital improvements as both the startup cost (just so we can all see how much needs to be raised) and as the liability payment each ongoing year.
SuperHornet
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PlayerRep said:
No. UM won't "be like" anyone else. The Griz are not followers. If there's anything I've learned in the annual beatdowns (OK, not all of the UM-Sac games have qualified as such, but the ultimate result has been the same), it's that Griz are LEADERS.
If UM does make the jump, they'll do it in their own way and come out better than anyone else who's done so. As good as Boise has been, they will end up being Montana's "biatch," not the other way around. May take about five years or so, but it will happen.
Copper King
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CrunchGriz said:
How about starting with the basics:
1. 22 additional football scholarships @ $400,000/year
2. 22 additional women's scholarships @ $400,000/year
3. 2 new women's sports - coaches, travel, equipment, etc -$600,000-$1,600,000/year.
4. All WAC members compete in golf and 6 out of 9 compete in baseball, men's sports where UM does not currently field teams.
The source of information for items 1-3, is Jim O'Day in the last article of the Missoulian series. http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008/07/01/bowl_eligible/umb92.txt
Item 4 comes from a review of the WAC website.http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10100&KEY=&ATCLID=1365971
Does the University pay scholarships? 10,000 seats in the stadium collect an extra $112.50, $250.00, and $500 per seat for scholarships. That comes to about $2,000,000 roughly or 111 scholarships. Then the GSA runs raffles, speaking engagements, picnics, sells beer and food, etc. for raising money for scholarships. What do they provide? Enough to provide money for 200 scholarships? Seems reasonable.
How many do we hand out now? I'm guessing below.
63 football
24 basketball
15 Soccer
10 volleyball
6 golf
12 tennis
30 track
I'm guessing at some of those and could be low or high on some. I come up with about 160 scholarships. Is that close?
Does the University of Montana even pay for the scholarships or do the fans foot the bill?????? Seems to me the University MAKES MONEY on scholarships because the fans are PAYING the University the money.
Does the University pay for scholarships or do they make a bundle of cash from scholarships? That's my question.
How many do we hand out now? I'm guessing below.
63 football
24 basketball
15 Soccer
10 volleyball
6 golf
12 tennis
30 track
I'm guessing at some of those and could be low or high on some. I come up with about 160 scholarships. Is that close?
Does the University of Montana even pay for the scholarships or do the fans foot the bill?????? Seems to me the University MAKES MONEY on scholarships because the fans are PAYING the University the money.
Does the University pay for scholarships or do they make a bundle of cash from scholarships? That's my question.
FCS Go!
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ronbo said:
If this is true I say screw the WAC and all of college football. Montana could move to the NFC West.
arty:The following may be of help re: scholarships:
Max Scholarships By Sport & Division
It's an honest question. How much does the GSA hand over to the University each season? And isn't it true that the University pays itself the money for tuition, housing, food, books. They make money on these things, right?
So someone in the GSA, what's the number? How much is handed over each year?
On schollies I was pretty close. We give out 169 according to the maximum allowed.
So someone in the GSA, what's the number? How much is handed over each year?
On schollies I was pretty close. We give out 169 according to the maximum allowed.
Grizbacker1
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ronbo said:
Ronbo,
With all that wealth you boast about due to your financial genius why don't you do what many of us have done for years and join GSA, get involved. If you did, then maybe you would know the numbers you post are not very accurate. Call Greg Sundberg if you really want some factual info. He can sign you up as the newest GSA member and provide you with accurate info. I know, what a concept.
For the spread sheet fans. Please tell me how you have determined which sports UM is going to add when they make this move up. How did you determine that, or is it guesswork? What are the costs of facilities going to be? Where will they be located? What are the projected increases in building costs/scholarships/travel going to be when that time comes. Obviously, you cannot use present day costs. Where are those figures coming from? My point is, I don't think anyone doing this has the information available to do any kind of "self study" that is anymore accurate than what was just published in The Missoulian.
Grizbacker1
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ronbo said:
How do you know that these are the sports that can be added? Do you know the Title IX formula is not the same at every school? It is based ont he male/female student ratio. UM has generally had a higher number of female students than peer insitutions, thereby requiring more females under athletic scholarship. That is one reason why UM has soccer, instead of sking which msu has. You are adding 20 plus FB scholarships and your solution results in a net loss to women of approximately 10 schoolies, so I am not sure it would work.
Crunch:
Did some more digging on the practice field costs. Of course the UM is currently entertaining a practice field down the road at some point. Having an indoor facility will allow more than just football to use it, track & field, soccer, & tennis could also take advantage of an indoor facility.
The University of Michigan had approved their indoor facility in April of 2007. It's a $26,100,000 project that takes up over 100,000 Sq Ft. It's massive!
http://www.mgoblue.com/football/article.aspx?id=37480
Arizona State is unveiling a smaller indoor facility that has $8,400,000 budgeted.
http://thesundevils.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/051508aab.html
UNM is budgeting $6,400,000 for a new indoor facility:
http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/feb/14/unm-football-64m-building-indoor-practices/
Wyoming's new indoor facility is a cool $10,000,000
http://www.uwyo.edu/news/webclips/showrelease.asp?webclipid=1166
So, presume we don't go over the top like Michigan, the average of these other three comes out to just under $8.3 million.
Did some more digging on the practice field costs. Of course the UM is currently entertaining a practice field down the road at some point. Having an indoor facility will allow more than just football to use it, track & field, soccer, & tennis could also take advantage of an indoor facility.
The University of Michigan had approved their indoor facility in April of 2007. It's a $26,100,000 project that takes up over 100,000 Sq Ft. It's massive!
http://www.mgoblue.com/football/article.aspx?id=37480
Arizona State is unveiling a smaller indoor facility that has $8,400,000 budgeted.
http://thesundevils.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/051508aab.html
UNM is budgeting $6,400,000 for a new indoor facility:
http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/feb/14/unm-football-64m-building-indoor-practices/
Wyoming's new indoor facility is a cool $10,000,000
http://www.uwyo.edu/news/webclips/showrelease.asp?webclipid=1166
So, presume we don't go over the top like Michigan, the average of these other three comes out to just under $8.3 million.
I know, I know I would love those sports but then you have he Title IX requirements like GB1 mentioned.
Baseball could use Osprey field, but where would the ladies play? Is there a good softball field with stadium type seating?
Did everyone notice the WAC took the NC in Baseball, and Nevada had a 1st round pick in Basketball? It's a tremendous upgrade in Conferences. I'm just afraid they will get too exclusive soon and we won't be near good enough for them.
Baseball could use Osprey field, but where would the ladies play? Is there a good softball field with stadium type seating?
Did everyone notice the WAC took the NC in Baseball, and Nevada had a 1st round pick in Basketball? It's a tremendous upgrade in Conferences. I'm just afraid they will get too exclusive soon and we won't be near good enough for them.
How about setting up a spreadsheet to evaluate a move to Division II?
More numbers!
Cost of adding lights:
Almost $1,000,000 for Anderson University (who?) http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=29959
I found another doing a google news search but the page was unavailable. The link previewed the installation of new lights on Ramer Field at University Wisconsin River-Falls. The preview pane stated the cost would total $700,000. Here's info on the field, as you can see, it's pretty much a high-school sized setup. http://www.uwrf.edu/ramer-renew/
Cost of adding lights:
Almost $1,000,000 for Anderson University (who?) http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=29959
I found another doing a google news search but the page was unavailable. The link previewed the installation of new lights on Ramer Field at University Wisconsin River-Falls. The preview pane stated the cost would total $700,000. Here's info on the field, as you can see, it's pretty much a high-school sized setup. http://www.uwrf.edu/ramer-renew/
BroncoQB said:
Well!... BSU - and Idaho, both took huge spending jumps from 2006 expenditures as these numbers show
BSU $19,253,388
UM 12,774,473
Idaho 10,465,748
Also at the bottom of the pecking order...
Utah St $10,736,389
Idaho St 8,184,116
PSU 7,683,356
EWU 6,628,992
WSU 6,002,124
UNC 5,808,653
So much for Fullerton's fairy tale about the BSC going FBS en mass.
