I believe one barrier is that the Fargo Dome is often booked for trade shows on Tuesday-Thursday.
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Mountain West?
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ilovethecats
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So I’ve heard……
5280Griz
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I think the MWC is actually a better fit. MAC are mostly directional schools out east. The MWC has smaller flagship universities like NDSU such as Wyoming and Nevada. The culture of NDSU football fits in the Mountain West so much better than the MAC. The Mountain West still leans on line play and defense as the cornerstone of their teams. The MAC on the other hand leans on spread, tempo and variance. There are more games decided by pace and qb play rather than trench play in the MAC where as more games in the Mountain West are decided up front. The reality is NDSU would be an immediate contender in the Mountain West but could struggle in the MAC by being dragged into styles that neutralize NDSU’s biggest edge, which is physical dominance.
MontanaGrizSoccer
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With some key facility upgrades, Montana's Olympic Sports could come in, compete and win right way, soccer already plays and beats current MWC and PAC teams, track would compete and win. Women's basketball would struggle and men's basketball would be top 3-4 in conference.
Football would need to expand the stadium to at least 30K to bring in extra yearly revenue and would to increase scholarships from 63 to 85. Where does this money come from, a loan from the University's endowment which sits at 289 million.
Football would be bottom half of the MWC for a few years just due to roster size and retention, look at UNLV and U New Mexico what their doing, hard to compete when the State won't help.
Football would need to expand the stadium to at least 30K to bring in extra yearly revenue and would to increase scholarships from 63 to 85. Where does this money come from, a loan from the University's endowment which sits at 289 million.
Football would be bottom half of the MWC for a few years just due to roster size and retention, look at UNLV and U New Mexico what their doing, hard to compete when the State won't help.
Montana would not be bottom half. Montana as it stands right now would be middle of the pack in the Mountain West.
alabamagrizzly
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Unfortunately that would mean they would have to spend some extra money and they just don't feel like doing that.
MontanaGrizSoccer
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Looking at the schools in 2026, probably 4th, UNLV, New Mexico and Hawaii, Hawaii has a new AD/Pres and building a new stadium. So what does 4th place get you a trip to some low level bowl game.
Just wait until you hear what it costs! Whole world’s gone crazy!So I’ve heard……
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Ooo, maybe you know! Do you have any info on how much this scholarship increase would cost UM out of pocket?
MontanaGrizSoccer
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I do not, but its not just football, if you add men's scholarships, you need to add women's as well to be compliant with Title 9.
Yeah. The best we’ve come up with is that the University System values an athletic scholarship at x dollars, but can’t really seem to verify how much of that money actually leaves UM and to whom it goes.
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GriznMN
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Most universities use a cost model to determine the tuition for students knowing that some students will be losses and some will be gains. Therefore, since it's a model, I can't directly answer your question but I can put it into a hypothetical. Let's say you have 30 students in a class and by adding one more student, you force that into two sections rather than one. Let's say the professor teaching the class already has reached their limit of sections and they are paid more to teach the additional section or another professor needs to be hired. If it's another professor, you are talking salary, retirement plans, pension, health insurance, sabbaticals, disability, tuition benefits, memberships to organizations, and a few others. Then you have to think about housing. If there are enough bed/rooms, not a big expense, except if you have to open a floor that wasn't currently being used. Then you have the added spend of the RA and extra water and supplies usage and maintenance. So adding one more student doesn't add more expense but adding 30 or, because you also need to add women's sports, 60 students, then the spends start to add up.
I wonder how much that would happen at a university that is currently at roughly 70% capacity.
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I didn’t hear about this until I saw something on YT about the MWC not returning NDSU’s calls. That’s when I saw the Wyoming info.
A move cannot happen with the current MWC membership. I’m convinced that the TV partners will not pay more for any school unless somehow the MWC somehow poached a P4 school. In other words, an expansion causes the same amount of money to get stretched among more schools, therefore the current schools lose money. This also means the MWC isn’t buying your way into their membership.
That’s aside from whether UNLV or Air Force will also lose $1 million a year. I wouldn’t be surprised if the payout isn’t evenly distributed. Boise State was getting $1.5M more per year than the other schools in most years of their MWC time.
BTW… dude at the Big Mountain podcast saying the PAC is only getting $4-6M is probably wrong. Boise would lose money at the lower number and would have raised a stink. Oregon State might be lying about their wink-nudge $10M… $8M seems about right.
The real barrier to FCS schools moving up, from what I hear, is SEC commissioner Greg Sankey issuing threats to conferences considering such a move. SEC schools are usually willing to boost a payout to G5 schools for road games. I suspect they want certain guarantees within FBS, and more schools might create an anti-SEC (or anti-P2?) voting bloc on various matters. Besides shutting out conferences from a visiting payday, the broader threat is to leave the NCAA and take a fair chunk of revenues with them. Thing is, making that a threat instead of just leaving should tell you something.
A move cannot happen with the current MWC membership. I’m convinced that the TV partners will not pay more for any school unless somehow the MWC somehow poached a P4 school. In other words, an expansion causes the same amount of money to get stretched among more schools, therefore the current schools lose money. This also means the MWC isn’t buying your way into their membership.
That’s aside from whether UNLV or Air Force will also lose $1 million a year. I wouldn’t be surprised if the payout isn’t evenly distributed. Boise State was getting $1.5M more per year than the other schools in most years of their MWC time.
BTW… dude at the Big Mountain podcast saying the PAC is only getting $4-6M is probably wrong. Boise would lose money at the lower number and would have raised a stink. Oregon State might be lying about their wink-nudge $10M… $8M seems about right.
The real barrier to FCS schools moving up, from what I hear, is SEC commissioner Greg Sankey issuing threats to conferences considering such a move. SEC schools are usually willing to boost a payout to G5 schools for road games. I suspect they want certain guarantees within FBS, and more schools might create an anti-SEC (or anti-P2?) voting bloc on various matters. Besides shutting out conferences from a visiting payday, the broader threat is to leave the NCAA and take a fair chunk of revenues with them. Thing is, making that a threat instead of just leaving should tell you something.
GriznMN
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Great question. I would imagine if they are at 70% capacity some dorms are not being used or are being repurposed or floors in dorms are closed and not being staffed.
And Montana has resized faculty and staff numbers to meet the current capacity. So an increase in enrollment numbers may have more of an impact on the budget than we know.
mthoopsfan
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Where does the 70% figure come from?
M’ass. You know, like a hypothetical?
