Most important position to defense and why

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, who’d a thunk that an FBS team wouldn’t need to show anything but a base defense to beat a cellar-dwelling FCS team like a rented mule. It’s almost like they didn’t want anything on film for their ACTUAL opponents. Never seen THAT before…

I thought you were smarter than this ridiculous post. What the hell have I been discussing in this thread..... BASE DEFENSE! Why do you think I don't understand that all base defenses have many options to defense certain offensive plays? Nickle and dime packages. Four down or three-down with a stand-up hybrid LB...... Why you don't you explain Bobby's BASE DEFENSE, or are you content to just blather-on to attempt to deflect from admission that all of the top teams in the nation utilize either a 4-3, or 3-4 BASE DEFENSE!!!!! BASE DEFENSE!!!!! BASE DEFENSE!!!!!

:lol: :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amrTOsYa4sA

 

[ilovethecats]

Yes. Pretty much.

Any defense with the right personnel and good scheme can defend the spread, but if I were to choose a defense with the spread in mind it would be the 4-2 or 3-3. If you remove the traditional gap responsibility and alignment from a 4-3, it would be pretty serviceable as well. The more that you remove gap responsibility and have players work inside- out against the front side of RPO you are going to be in a lot better shape. RPO teams are good at isolating the back side end, linebacker and a safety depending on how they run it. The 4-3 and 3-4 concepts on the scheme side of give a way ton of pre-snap tells, and the 4-2 and 3-3 effectively eliminate those tells. The reason is by committing to a six man box rather than a 7, you can effectively balance your defense without sliding.

The scheme makes the back side safety a second level run defender from depth and what traditional 2 high systems do is make it pretty evident based upon FS/WLB alignment precisely how you intend to cover the slot. The more you can mask your pre-snap coverage and alignment, it makes it hard to for the QB where they want to run their bubble or snag concept type route to.

Inside the box, because the LB's are flow players rather than gap alignment you get better pursuit to the front side of zone, you can get away by sending pressure to one side or the other and not leave gaping holes in the middle of your run defense. If you are running 4-3 cover 2 pressure against RPO you can't really send pressure off the edge without pre-snap indicating that your coming. Takes too long and the RPO concept is a 60's (quick set, zone) rather than a long 5 step type drop action. So you have to cheat it to bring an OLB, whereas in the 4-2 or 3-3 just because of alignment and personnel decisions you can bring pressure from just about anywhere and not immediately by alignment give away what you are doing behind it because you could be man to one side, zone to the other, or a number of combos. Most of the time we were 2/1 coverage, but with the 4-3 unless you abandon the 2 high, you are going to have to show you are running a zero/one concept.

Hope that makes sense.

Total rope-a-dope once again. But, hey it obviously impresses the pedestrian fans, so keep it up. Maybe someday, you'll be asked to coach above Class C. Maybe you should get an agent and stop handling yourself.

Wild post for a dude who claims to want to talk football. :lol:

 

[hunt-ducks]

Total rope-a-dope once again. But, hey it obviously impresses the pedestrian fans, so keep it up. Maybe someday, you'll be asked to coach above Class C. Maybe you should get an agent and stop handling yourself.

Wild post for a dude who claims to want to talk football. :lol:

Easily impressed, I see. Not surprising for a Cat fan. I think your sperm count equals your IQ

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Wild post for a dude who claims to want to talk football. :lol:

Easily impressed, I see. Not surprising for a Cat fan. I think your sperm count equals your IQ

Are you sure you’re the real Dill? I don’t think he was this childish and stupid. I suppose your brain has deteriorated greatly with old age and puffiness, but I still feel like you could be an imposter who runs “another” account as well. Hmmm, now, how could that be?

 

[EverettGriz]

Yes. Pretty much.

Any defense with the right personnel and good scheme can defend the spread, but if I were to choose a defense with the spread in mind it would be the 4-2 or 3-3. If you remove the traditional gap responsibility and alignment from a 4-3, it would be pretty serviceable as well. The more that you remove gap responsibility and have players work inside- out against the front side of RPO you are going to be in a lot better shape. RPO teams are good at isolating the back side end, linebacker and a safety depending on how they run it. The 4-3 and 3-4 concepts on the scheme side of give a way ton of pre-snap tells, and the 4-2 and 3-3 effectively eliminate those tells. The reason is by committing to a six man box rather than a 7, you can effectively balance your defense without sliding.

The scheme makes the back side safety a second level run defender from depth and what traditional 2 high systems do is make it pretty evident based upon FS/WLB alignment precisely how you intend to cover the slot. The more you can mask your pre-snap coverage and alignment, it makes it hard to for the QB where they want to run their bubble or snag concept type route to.

Inside the box, because the LB's are flow players rather than gap alignment you get better pursuit to the front side of zone, you can get away by sending pressure to one side or the other and not leave gaping holes in the middle of your run defense. If you are running 4-3 cover 2 pressure against RPO you can't really send pressure off the edge without pre-snap indicating that your coming. Takes too long and the RPO concept is a 60's (quick set, zone) rather than a long 5 step type drop action. So you have to cheat it to bring an OLB, whereas in the 4-2 or 3-3 just because of alignment and personnel decisions you can bring pressure from just about anywhere and not immediately by alignment give away what you are doing behind it because you could be man to one side, zone to the other, or a number of combos. Most of the time we were 2/1 coverage, but with the 4-3 unless you abandon the 2 high, you are going to have to show you are running a zero/one concept.

Hope that makes sense.

Total rope-a-dope once again. But, hey it obviously impresses the pedestrian fans, so keep it up. Maybe someday, you'll be asked to coach above Class C. Maybe you should get an agent and stop handling yourself.

I've always believed the most important position is the roving band(it). The band(it), in my mind, isn't used nearly often enough. The (band)it is a great way to rid the playing field of idiots and trolls. I mean, the roving band(it) can just sort of lay in wait and then BAM, he comes up and hits the idiot right where it counts. Definitely the band(it) for me.

 

[ilovethecats]

Wild post for a dude who claims to want to talk football. :lol:

Easily impressed, I see. Not surprising for a Cat fan. I think your sperm count equals your IQ

Easily impressed by what? You whine non-stop about wanting more football talk over here. Then a guy posts football talk and three days later you bash him for it. Just seemed odd to me. :?

I assume the only football talk you wish to see are those that agree with your opinions and vast football knowledge.

Love the sperm count-IQ dig too. I need to start writing these down! Did people really talk like that in your day? It's like I'm watching Happy Days or something. :clap:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Easily impressed, I see. Not surprising for a Cat fan. I think your sperm count equals your IQ

Easily impressed by what? You whine non-stop about wanting more football talk over here. Then a guy posts football talk and three days later you bash him for it. Just seemed odd to me. :?

I assume the only football talk you wish to see are those that agree with your opinions and vast football knowledge.

Love the sperm count-IQ dig too. I need to start writing these down! Did people really talk like that in your day? It's like I'm watching Happy Days or something. :clap:

His old-timey sayings seem like they're from a book called "Book O' Sayings" sold in the country store portion of a Cracker Barrel.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Easily impressed, I see. Not surprising for a Cat fan. I think your sperm count equals your IQ

Easily impressed by what? You whine non-stop about wanting more football talk over here. Then a guy posts football talk and three days later you bash him for it. Just seemed odd to me. :?

I assume the only football talk you wish to see are those that agree with your opinions and vast football knowledge.

Love the sperm count-IQ dig too. I need to start writing these down! Did people really talk like that in your day? It's like I'm watching Happy Days or something. :clap:

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner, folks.

 

[hunt-ducks]

Total rope-a-dope once again. But, hey it obviously impresses the pedestrian fans, so keep it up. Maybe someday, you'll be asked to coach above Class C. Maybe you should get an agent and stop handling yourself.

Wild post for a dude who claims to want to talk football. :lol:

You couldn't talk football with a Little Grizzly coach.

 

[hunt-ducks]

Easily impressed by what? You whine non-stop about wanting more football talk over here. Then a guy posts football talk and three days later you bash him for it. Just seemed odd to me. :?

I assume the only football talk you wish to see are those that agree with your opinions and vast football knowledge.

Love the sperm count-IQ dig too. I need to start writing these down! Did people really talk like that in your day? It's like I'm watching Happy Days or something. :clap:

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner, folks.

AzGrizFan lowers his plummeting board reputation further by siding with a clueless Cat fan. You used to be a good poster. Now you seem desperate to get a back-slap from the squad. Whatsamatta, didn't they approve your application?

Since your new Cat hero couldn't do it, why don't you explain how the FCS division is much stronger now than it was when Appy State, Georgia Southern, UMASS, Troy State, etc. used to play in the division? Should be enlightening.

 

[SACCAT66]

Easily impressed by what? You whine non-stop about wanting more football talk over here. Then a guy posts football talk and three days later you bash him for it. Just seemed odd to me. :?

I assume the only football talk you wish to see are those that agree with your opinions and vast football knowledge.

Love the sperm count-IQ dig too. I need to start writing these down! Did people really talk like that in your day? It's like I'm watching Happy Days or something. :clap:

His old-timey sayings seem like they're from a book called "Book O' Sayings" sold in the country store portion of a Cracker Barrel.

You have a Cracker Barrel?

Also, A low sperm count is about 10 million, so I would be OK with a sperm count being the same as my IQ....

Also, Also.... There is no "Most important Defensive position"... BUT, if you have to pick one, on a standard defense it is the outside LB. They are in charge of the edge in run protect, and normally covering the inside receiver when teams go into heavy pass sets.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

His old-timey sayings seem like they're from a book called "Book O' Sayings" sold in the country store portion of a Cracker Barrel.

You have a Cracker Barrel?

Also, A low sperm count is about 10 million, so I would be OK with a sperm count being the same as my IQ....

Also, Also.... There is no "Most important Defensive position"... BUT, if you have to pick one, on a standard defense it is the outside LB. They are in charge of the edge in run protect, and normally covering the inside receiver when teams go into heavy pass sets.

Honestly don’t know where the nearest Cracker Barrel is. I think it’s Vegas. I’m just remembering the one off the Reserve St. exit in Missoula. The store part had all kinds of nicknacks that would get a rise out of the elderly.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner, folks.

AzGrizFan lowers his plummeting board reputation further by siding with a clueless Cat fan. You used to be a good poster. Now you seem desperate to get a back-slap from the squad. Whatsamatta, didn't they approve your application?

Since your new Cat hero couldn't do it, why don't you explain how the FCS division is much stronger now than it was when Appy State, Georgia Southern, UMASS, Troy State, etc. used to play in the division? Should be enlightening.

You can’t sit with us! Stop asking.

 

[ilovethecats]

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner, folks.

AzGrizFan lowers his plummeting board reputation further by siding with a clueless Cat fan. You used to be a good poster. Now you seem desperate to get a back-slap from the squad. Whatsamatta, didn't they approve your application?

Since your new Cat hero couldn't do it, why don't you explain how the FCS division is much stronger now than it was when Appy State, Georgia Southern, UMASS, Troy State, etc. used to play in the division? Should be enlightening.

:lol:

I've come around to your way of thinking. It's so obvious. It's like how the FBS had to have been way stronger 20-30 years ago because Nebraska, Florida and Miami were winning championships and they aren't anymore. There is no other explanation and I'm a bit embarrassed I didn't see something so obvious right in front of my face.

Now that I think about it, this line of thinking works for everything. MLB was much better in the 90's because they Braves were so good. NFL was then because the Cowboys were dominating. There's no way those leagues are as tough today as they were 3 decades ago because those particular teams aren't winning championships today.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

AzGrizFan lowers his plummeting board reputation further by siding with a clueless Cat fan. You used to be a good poster. Now you seem desperate to get a back-slap from the squad. Whatsamatta, didn't they approve your application?

Since your new Cat hero couldn't do it, why don't you explain how the FCS division is much stronger now than it was when Appy State, Georgia Southern, UMASS, Troy State, etc. used to play in the division? Should be enlightening.

:lol:

I've come around to your way of thinking. It's so obvious. It's like how the FBS had to have been way stronger 20-30 years ago because Nebraska, Florida and Miami were winning championships and they aren't anymore. There is no other explanation and I'm a bit embarrassed I didn't see something so obvious right in front of my face.

Now that I think about it, this line of thinking works for everything. MLB was much better in the 90's because they Braves were so good. NFL was then because the Cowboys were dominating. There's no way those leagues are as tough today as they were 3 decades ago because those particular teams aren't winning championships today.

The NBA was stronger in the Bill Russel days. 8-peat, baby. I doubt these jokers nowadays can even sink a two-handed set shot.

 

[hunt-ducks]

AzGrizFan lowers his plummeting board reputation further by siding with a clueless Cat fan. You used to be a good poster. Now you seem desperate to get a back-slap from the squad. Whatsamatta, didn't they approve your application?

Since your new Cat hero couldn't do it, why don't you explain how the FCS division is much stronger now than it was when Appy State, Georgia Southern, UMASS, Troy State, etc. used to play in the division? Should be enlightening.

:lol:

I've come around to your way of thinking. It's so obvious. It's like how the FBS had to have been way stronger 20-30 years ago because Nebraska, Florida and Miami were winning championships and they aren't anymore. There is no other explanation and I'm a bit embarrassed I didn't see something so obvious right in front of my face.

Now that I think about it, this line of thinking works for everything. MLB was much better in the 90's because they Braves were so good. NFL was then because the Cowboys were dominating. There's no way those leagues are as tough today as they were 3 decades ago because those particular teams aren't winning championships today.

Nice deflection. Zombies eat brains. You should be completely safe.

 

[ilovethecats]

:lol:

I've come around to your way of thinking. It's so obvious. It's like how the FBS had to have been way stronger 20-30 years ago because Nebraska, Florida and Miami were winning championships and they aren't anymore. There is no other explanation and I'm a bit embarrassed I didn't see something so obvious right in front of my face.

Now that I think about it, this line of thinking works for everything. MLB was much better in the 90's because they Braves were so good. NFL was then because the Cowboys were dominating. There's no way those leagues are as tough today as they were 3 decades ago because those particular teams aren't winning championships today.

Nice deflection. Zombies eat brains. You should be completely safe.

What deflection? I agreed with you. I'm actually a bit surprised that FCS has even survived to be honest with you. Once Appy St and Georgia Southern moved on there simply weren't any good programs left. I thought NDSU was ok for a year or two there; but no chance in hell they were as good as UMass. Seriously, there has never been another time in the history of 1AA/FCS football that has been as strong as it was 20-30 years ago. I wish there was a solution but alas, there does not seem to be one.

Is that true about zombies?! :shock:

 

[SACCAT66]

Nice deflection. Zombies eat brains. You should be completely safe.

What deflection? I agreed with you. I'm actually a bit surprised that FCS has even survived to be honest with you. Once Appy St and Georgia Southern moved on there simply weren't any good programs left. I thought NDSU was ok for a year or two there; but no chance in hell they were as good as UMass. Seriously, there has never been another time in the history of 1AA/FCS football that has been as strong as it was 20-30 years ago. I wish there was a solution but alas, there does not seem to be one.

Is that true about zombies?! :shock:

According to the Google machine.... Zombies eat live flesh. So they would eat all parts of a living human.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

What deflection? I agreed with you. I'm actually a bit surprised that FCS has even survived to be honest with you. Once Appy St and Georgia Southern moved on there simply weren't any good programs left. I thought NDSU was ok for a year or two there; but no chance in hell they were as good as UMass. Seriously, there has never been another time in the history of 1AA/FCS football that has been as strong as it was 20-30 years ago. I wish there was a solution but alas, there does not seem to be one.

Is that true about zombies?! :shock:

According to the Google machine.... Zombies eat live flesh. So they would eat all parts of a living human.

Zombies were a lot stronger 20-30 years ago.

 

[ilovethecats]

According to the Google machine.... Zombies eat live flesh. So they would eat all parts of a living human.

Zombies were a lot stronger 20-30 years ago.

Lemmings