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More evidence of what an upstanding organization the NCAA is

Wow. How many times do I have to state that I think the NCAA investigation is bogus at UM? I wrote that above, wrote it again below, and I'll repeat it one more time: The NCAA investigation is not appropriate at UM.

HOWEVER. There are things that happened at the University of Montana and the Missoula County Attorney that warrant the attention of the DOJ. I'd ask you to think long and hard about what happened when the Chief Deputy County Attorney abruptly departed to defend someone her office had been investigating prior to her departure. I would ask you how a former UM backup quarterback managed to escape from a DUI when he clearly was under the influence. I would ask you how another UM athlete managed to go uncharged from rape for over 15 months. These are all things that warrant the attention of the DOJ. If you think they are wrong, tell me why.

And Everett, that's an ironic statement coming from you. I've been pressing you about your maniacal predictions about UM beating Wisconsin in the tournament and you ignored the repetition of your own idiotic statement. So keep it up, little brother. I'll be laughing the entire time.
 
Jerry Punch said:
Wow. How many times do I have to state that I think the NCAA investigation is bogus at UM? I wrote that above, wrote it again below, and I'll repeat it one more time: The NCAA investigation is not appropriate at UM.quote]

And, the last time. Go back to BN.
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The Last Time the NCAA came after Montana, they got their asses handed to them by not one but two judges and wrote a large check to the athlete involved.

I don't know if there is anything or not, but I would THINK experience would have taught them to be careful.....
 
Jerry Punch said:
HOWEVER. There are things that happened at the University of Montana and the Missoula County Attorney that warrant the attention of the DOJ. I'd ask you to think long and hard about what happened when the Chief Deputy County Attorney abruptly departed to defend someone her office had been investigating prior to her departure. I would ask you how a former UM backup quarterback managed to escape from a DUI when he clearly was under the influence. I would ask you how another UM athlete managed to go uncharged from rape for over 15 months. These are all things that warrant the attention of the DOJ. If you think they are wrong, tell me why.
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I'm curious as to just what authority you think the Federal DOJ has over UM and the Missoula County Attorney's office? What federal law was potentially violated when a former county attorney went to work for the defense? Whose civil rights were violated by the QB "escaping" a DUI?

The DOJ may or may not find violations, but it won't be over most of the "things" you claim warrant their attention because they're outside the DOJ's jurisdiction.
 
BR, you may be a conspiracy theorist, but I trust the DOJ to recognize when they do and when they do not have jurisdiction. I don't think that is the issue. This isn't some horse crap justice court or county sheriff jurisdictional stuff. This is the highest law enforcement agency in the country, right here in Missoula.

It pains me so much to see so many Griz fans in denial. I know this sucks. I know that the very suggestion that bad things go on in Missoula is disturbing to many a Griz fan, and it should be. But saying that every investigation and every wrong-doing that happened because of someone with the Griz football program is a conspiracy really misses the point. It is total denial. The hammer is going to fall. You may ridicule me for it all you want, and I won't be back here to gloat when it the hammer falls. I feel sorry for the good fans out there who want the program cleaned up. For the rest of you who refuse to accept reality, please stop giving the good Griz fans a bad name.

I take no joy in this whatsoever. But that doesn't mean that reality isn't knocking on your door. You can yell, kick, and scream at me, but I'm not the one who has the power to truly change the scenery in Missoula.
 
Jerry Punch said:
Wow. How many times do I have to state that I think the NCAA investigation is bogus at UM? I wrote that above, wrote it again below, and I'll repeat it one more time: The NCAA investigation is not appropriate at UM.

HOWEVER. There are things that happened at the University of Montana and the Missoula County Attorney that warrant the attention of the DOJ. I'd ask you to think long and hard about what happened when the Chief Deputy County Attorney abruptly departed to defend someone her office had been investigating prior to her departure. I would ask you how a former UM backup quarterback managed to escape from a DUI when he clearly was under the influence. I would ask you how another UM athlete managed to go uncharged from rape for over 15 months. These are all things that warrant the attention of the DOJ. If you think they are wrong, tell me why.

And Everett, that's an ironic statement coming from you. I've been pressing you about your maniacal predictions about UM beating Wisconsin in the tournament and you ignored the repetition of your own idiotic statement. So keep it up, little brother. I'll be laughing the entire time.
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What "things that happened at the University of Montana and the Missoula County Attorney that warrant the attention of the DOJ"? The Saudi incident. What else? I assume there must be other things, but what are they? You seem to know them. I don't.

The County Attorneys office wasn't given the file for the Johnson matter until months after the assistant County Attorney left to go into private practice. The police investigation took multiple months. And she announced her resignation days after the Johnson incident, and probably well before the accuser There isn't any issue with the timing of her resignation and her representation of Johnson. If there was any issue whatsoever, the County Attorneys office would have immediately challenged her represenation of Johnson or raised ethical issues.

"May 12, 2012 6:50 am • By GWEN FLORIO of the Missoulian The investigation into a rape allegation against University of Montana Grizzlies quarterback Jordan Johnson has moved to the Missoula County Attorney’s Office."

Don't know anything about a former qb not getting a DUI. Who was that? What circumstances? The DOJ is investigating sexual assaults, not DUI's.

The Donaldson accuser didn't go to the police until December 2011. He was charged in early January 2012. "The woman spoke with police in mid-December 2011, shortly after the university announced an investigation into sexual assaults on campus.

"We had not heard from the victim in this case until after the university investigation came forward," Missoula Police Detective Sgt. Bob Bouchee said Monday." Source: Missoulian, January 10, 2012.
 
statler & waldorf said:
The NCAA is nothing more than a modern day Inquisition. There is no integrity, no one watching the inquisitors. Accusation=Guilt. They are no better than a two-bit whore crying rape.
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A "two-bit whore crying rape"? Are you f-ing kidding me? This is the most disgusting comment I have ever seen on this website and that's saying something. If this guy doesn't get banned, there are some serious issues. How would you feel if it was your daughter who was accusing a JJ of rape and someone called her a "two-bit whore crying rape"? You are serious pathetic lowlife to make a tactless comment like that.
 
Jerry Punch said:
BR, you may be a conspiracy theorist, but I trust the DOJ to recognize when they do and when they do not have jurisdiction. I don't think that is the issue. This isn't some horse crap justice court or county sheriff jurisdictional stuff. This is the highest law enforcement agency in the country, right here in Missoula.

It pains me so much to see so many Griz fans in denial. I know this sucks. I know that the very suggestion that bad things go on in Missoula is disturbing to many a Griz fan, and it should be. But saying that every investigation and every wrong-doing that happened because of someone with the Griz football program is a conspiracy really misses the point. It is total denial. The hammer is going to fall. You may ridicule me for it all you want, and I won't be back here to gloat when it the hammer falls. I feel sorry for the good fans out there who want the program cleaned up. For the rest of you who refuse to accept reality, please stop giving the good Griz fans a bad name.

I take no joy in this whatsoever. But that doesn't mean that reality isn't knocking on your door. You can yell, kick, and scream at me, but I'm not the one who has the power to truly change the scenery in Missoula.
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The Missoula County Attorney has taken the position that the DOJ does not have jurisdiction over the County Attorney's office. I suppose that dispute may have been resolve by now. The County Attorney said in a June 25, 2012 letter to DOJ, which was his third letter to them on the subject, "Unfortunately, you have once again failed to convince me that your agency has any authority to investigate our office." All of these letters are on the 4&20 blackbirds website.
 
msuhunter said:
statler & waldorf said:
The NCAA is nothing more than a modern day Inquisition. There is no integrity, no one watching the inquisitors. Accusation=Guilt. They are no better than a two-bit whore crying rape.
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A "two-bit whore crying rape"? Are you f-ing kidding me? This is the most disgusting comment I have ever seen on this website and that's saying something. If this guy doesn't get banned, there are some serious issues. How would you feel if it was your daughter who was accusing a JJ of rape and someone called her a "two-bit whore crying rape"? You are serious pathetic lowlife to make a tactless comment like that.
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Wasn't the poster talking about the NCAA, not any accuser of rape? I have no dog in this fight, and don't normally comment on things like this, but happened to be online and read the comment. My apologies if there is more posts on this subject, and I've misinterpreted this.
 
statler & waldorf said:
Washgrizfan1 said:
Wasn't the poster talking about the NCAA, not any accuser of rape?
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You got the subject of the post right, and msuhunter didn't. But, hey, MSU is an engineering school.
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To make even an off-handed comment like that when your beloved school is going through what it is amounts to a total lack of class (clearly it was a back-handed slap at JJ's accuser veiled as an insult to the NCAA)
 
The hammer is going to fall
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I take no joy in this whatsoever
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OFFS.


Just be a man for ONCE in your life and admit -- since we all know it anyhow -- that you are PRAYING that something bad comes from this BS investigation so that msu can hang with the GRIZ.

And you still haven't answered my question. I'm shocked...... :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
No need to argue with the likes of Teton Cat, 2506, Bear Spray and a SELECT FEW other Cat posters. While I'm sure they are all good people in real life, these are people who believe in the prophecies of Papa G, the man who wrote the NCAA countless times CLAIMING HE witnessed a hand-to-hand NCAA improper benefit violation between one of his "good friends" (a UM booster) and a Griz player. Papa G has ranted for a while about KNOWING ABOUT UM violations for YEARS, and when the NCAA Investigation was announced, a SELECT FEW, ( I say few because there are more really normal and nice Bobcat fans and posters than not) fell to his feet on BN and were like "Oh my god, you were right all along".

So no matter what comes of this investigation, a SELECT FEW posters will believe what they believe and IF the Griz are exhonorated, or only get what amounts to a slap on the wrist, they'll go back to blaming Doug Fullerton for protecting the Griz, like they did before any of this started. It's never ending with some of these guys, and arguing with the mentally insane is futile.
 
There are a number of rational -- even good -- Cat posters.

Suffice it to say, it's safe to assume none of them have posted in this thread....
 
Exactly what I was talking about right here. LOL..Look at the last post in this thread..

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=29658" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's something people (Papa G and others) seem to be missing about the investigation. The NCAA is NOT TELLING UM what penalties are possibly coming. As I stated in an earlier thread, go back and read stories about recent violations at Ohio State, North Carolina and USC. The same reaction in every case from AD and other university admins "We didn't know this was coming. We didn't think it would be this severe." They used words liked SHOCKED and SURPRISED. Bottom line, NO ONE knows what penalties UM is going to receive, and ESPECIALLY NOT a Bobcat fan. Get over it.
 
havgrizfan: I am in the dark as to your reference to Fullerton, " they'll go back to blaming Doug Fullerton for protecting the Griz, like they did before any of this started." As I really do not know the background, would you please explain? PM if you prefer. Thanks.
 
Statler/Waldorf, long story short, it's been a long-standing belief that there is a double-standard with the Griz and the rest of the Big Sky and the conspiracy goes right to the Big Sky Commissioner Doug Fullerton. Mostly about calls during games, illegal hits, ect..but also scheduling, TV deals, playoff seeding and on and on and on. I'm actually not even denying that it doesn't exist to a point, but I see it as what Duke's Coach K used to refer to when talking about North Carolina as "accrued excellence equity". But over time it got to point that EVERY SINGLE THING Cat fans didn't like about the Griz was blamed on Fullerton. So I'm saying that if the NCAA doesn't punish the Griz to the extent some Cat fans think they should be punished, they shall too somehow blame that on the almighty and powerful comissioner of an FCS Conference lol.
 
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