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More college changes.... end of the BCS bowlgames?

Paytonlives

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May 18, 2012
Chip Brown
Orangebloods.com Columnist

The Big 12 and SEC, who could have easily been on non-speaking terms after Texas A&M and Missouri bolted one for the other, today sent a message to college football that they are taking control.

At least control of the bowl game that will feature their champions. And it won't end there. Friday's events signal the end of the BCS. Friday was the first step in conferences taking charge of the postseason in college football, the same way schools wrestled control of their TV rights from the NCAA in 1984.
Not surprisingly, Chuck Neinas, interim commissioner of the Big 12, played a key role in both events. More on that in a minute.

The details of the yet-to-be-named bowl game - which we will call the Behemoth Bowl for now - are thus: The champions of the Big 12 and SEC will play in the Behemoth Bowl for five years beginning on New Year's night 2015. If one or both of the league champions are involved in a potential four-team playoff, the leagues would have a say over the replacement. But it would likely be the No. 2 teams in the league.

Texas and Arkansas, seen here in 2008, will be vying for a new bowl game for the Big 12 and SEC champion on Jan. 1, 2015.

(That could be a little tricky for the SEC because it would possibly mean the loser of the SEC title game every year. That added loss could mean another team in the SEC playing in the Behemoth Bowl.)

So, in short, while the rest of college football waits to see what the new BCS will look like (I've heard a deadline of July 1 has been set for a first draft by conference commissioners) and how much ESPN will bid to show it to the world, the SEC and Big 12 sent a thunderous message on Friday.

And to be quite honest, it has bigger implications for the Big 12 than the SEC.

Why?

BACK FROM THE DEAD: Because the last two years, the Big 12 has been seen as a potential yard sale, and now the Big 12 is simply going yard thanks to another incredible home run by interim commissioner Chuck Neinas.

In less than a year, Neinas, a former Big Eight commissioner and former executive director of the College Football Association, has taken the Big 12 from being the laughing stock of the BCS to being a player that could rival the SEC as the nation's top conference because it has room to grow.

Have Notre Dame and Florida State called yet?

In addition to the message it sent the Big Ten, the Pac-12 and its beloved Rose Bowl, the Big 12 and SEC probably just made the Big East and ACC spit out their respective chowder.
The financial models for the game are potentially staggering because the two conferences will control everything: TV revenue, ticket sales, concessions, title sponsor, you name it.

Currently, the Fiesta and Sugar bowls, who currently have the BCS tie-ins for both league's champions, as well as the Rose and Orange, negotiate all those rights and last year paid $17 million per participant.

CASHING IN: When you start to calculate the money to be made by the Big 12 and SEC from the Behemoth Bowl by cutting out the middle man, you need Mark Zuckerberg's accountant to help count the money.

Jerry Jones figures to be a player for the game in his 100,000-seat Cowboys Stadium, as does the 76,000-seat Superdome.

If the Fiesta Bowl, which figures to be on the outside looking in (after being the BCS tie-in for the Big 12 champion) because of its remote location to the Big 12 and SEC wants to stay in the mix, it will probably have to outbid Jerry Jones. (Good luck.)

Whoever wants to televise the game - ABC/ESPN, CBS, Fox, NBC, etc. - will be dealing with the Big 12 and the SEC, who will split the money evenly. The projections right now are for the TV revenue alone to reach between $34 million and $50 million per year for five years - a potential total of $250 million over the life of the contract.

When you consider ABC/ESPN's current, four-year BCS contract to show the national championship game is $500 million (it expires after the 2013 season), you get the significance of the money.

Let's project the ticket sales for 100,000-seat Jerryworld at $150 per- that's $15 million. And that doesn't even include, suites, concessions, parking or a title sponsor (some of which would have to be shared with Jerry).

And if total revenue from the Behemoth Bowl, modestly, reached $70 million per year, the Big 12 would be splitting its share - $35 million - between 10 schools, while the SEC would be splitting $35 million between 14 schools (thanks to Texas A&M and Missouri).

So we're talking about doubling the payouts made last year by the Fiesta, Sugar, Rose and Orange bowls. And not even the Big Ten and Pac-12 could top that unless it told the Rose Bowl, all the money from that game would be going to the conferences and that the bowl game could keep proceeds from the Rose parade.

(Not even Jim Delany and Larry Scott could get away with that power play, considering the history and tradition of the Rose Bowl and the leagues. Or could they?)

RICH GET RICHER: And when you combine that with the payout a Big 12 or SEC team would receive for being selected into a potential four-team playoff, both conferences stand to cash in even more. Especially when you consider an SEC or Big 12 team has been in the BCS national title game every year except 1999 (Florida State-Virginia Tech) and 2002 (Ohio State-Miami) since the BCS was formed in 1998.

The SEC has been in the national title game nine times in 14 years; the Big 12 seven times in 14 years.

No one knows what the payouts will be for being in a potential semifinal or championship game in a four-team playoff. But it figures to be a lot.

So would all of this news be enough to entice Notre Dame, Florida State or both to join the Big 12? Would the Big 12 want to split revenue with two more schools?

UNITED FRONT: Those are questions yet to be answered. All we know right now is the Big 12 and the SEC have spoken.

And who would have thought that after what happened in the last year.

"We think we have a very strong conference with the admission of TCU and West Virginia," Neinas said. "The Big 12 is in good position going forward, and we look forward to some good competition on the field with our partners from the SEC."

Leave it to Neinas to help pull this off.

He was the executive director of the College Football Association from 1980 to 1997 and led the charge for schools to take control of their TV rights from the NCAA in 1984.

Neinas negotiated television contracts and administered a television plan on behalf of the CFA members from 1984 through 1995 that included ABC, CBS, NBC and ESPN.

Friday, he led the charge for conferences to wrestle control of their postseason TV rights from the BCS.

Added Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds:

"I am really excited about this partnership between the two top football conferences in the country. This is another example of the strength and stability of the Big 12 Conference.

"In the last month alone, we have introduced this game and a new commissioner (Bob Bowlsby) that is absolutely right for this league. In addition, we are in the process of formulating one of the top TV deals in college sports. The Big 12 is strong, stable and united."

Stay tuned

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Good for these conferences. As much as I cannot stand power of the Major conferences, it is a step toward the separation of the big boys, and everyone else. I am actually fine with that, and have been for the last several years.

Now, I hope the other major conferences follow suit, sooner than later. Have those conferences battle it out, however they want. After that takes place, rest of college football will follow, in combining the better FCS programs with the non elite conferences, and setting up a new college football landscape. Which is when, and where Montana will be impacted. TV money, and revenue will be there for all levels, of whatever the 2nd level will be. Use the bowl games to rotate in a 16 to 32 team true playoff system.

The elite level having their national champion, and the other level having theirs too. Seriously, all this would level the playing fields, and have schools at their proper classification, and a win win for most all Div 1 schools/programs.

The only disadvantage would be, how will all this impact college basketball? I am old school when it comes to college basketball, and love it, other than too many bids going to major conferences. Then again, there would be plenty of schools left to still have a real nice college basketball national tournament, even if it were separated from the major conferences. I would still love the NCAA tournament.
 
About time these bozos came out from behind closed doors.

I think that, in the end, the "Behemoth Bowl" will be the Sugar Bowl (with the Cotton Bowl a potential player). Bowl organizers will soon come knocking on the door of the SEC/Big 12 "united front" with (in the old-fashioned saying) "hat in hand." Unless they have some guarantee of a place in a possible 4-team (post-)BCS playoff, they will not stand by and let the big $$$ walk away. Sure, they'll have to make some major concessions to be the "Behemoth Bowl." But they have the name recognition, and the "tradition" (beloved of all bull-shippers who really could give a s**t) to add a certain luster (read ... even more TV dough) to the event. The Cotton Bowl, with the J-Jones money behind it could certainly be a player, but I'll bet they'd be glad to settle for a place at the table for the 4-team championship.

Given that, you can expect the Big Ten and the Pac-12 to "renegotiate" a deal with the Rose Bowl -- again big TV money meets tradition.

The ACC (football puke, mostly) and the Big East (puke, puke) don't have the clout to make anywhere close to a sweet deal like the above. I see two possibilities. One, they make a make good, but not great deal with the Orange Bowl ... sort of a "mini-Behemoth Bowl." Two, they "think outside the box" and cherry-pick a dozen or so of the best football programs -- those with a decent history of strength -- from the two conferences and create a whole new football-only conference. Their champion (when it's not in the 4-team playoff) becomes one side of the "all-new" Orange Bowl. The opponent becomes the best of the "non-aligned" teams. Read: not in one of the elite big-money conferences (*more on this in a moment*).

No matter what some people think: The bowls are not going away (not all of them, anyway). TV still has hours of air time to fill, and they know college football fans will watch the lesser bowls. However, I can easily see the best of the lesser bowls restricting themselves -- with some funding concessions -- to hosting matchups only from the elite conferences. Note that the starred (* *) scenario above gives the big boys an answer to whiners from outside the elite conferences.

All this would still leave us with a host of roto-rooter/toilet bowls for everyone else. I do think (hope, anyway) that these other bowls will do more to make themselves attractive to teams who do not get into the elite-conference bowls. However, in the past, schools have been stupid enough to lose money appearing in a garbage bowl -- for the "name recognition." So maybe these other bowls can continue "business as usual."

As for basketball and the other sports: I do not think much will change, really. In the long run, we may see more "football-only" conferences that have little to do with the schools' alignments for other sports.

Will all this force a re-alignment among the non-elite conferences and the best of the FCS program? I do not think that is at all "a given." With the history of the people and institutions we're talking about here -- not exactly renowned for innovation (except perhaps in extracting more $$) -- they will do the minimum needed to paste together something that satisfies the major players and looks like it might work.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
No matter what some people think: The bowls are not going away (not all of them, anyway). TV still has hours of air time to fill, and they know college football fans will watch the lesser bowls.

True... but it is the first crack in the dam. BTW College football fans DONT watch the lesser bowls.

BOWL MATCHUP RAT. VIEWERS (000)
BCS Nat'l Championship Alabama-LSU 14.0 24,214
Rose Bowl Oregon-Wisconsin 10.2 17,558
Tostitos Fiesta Oklahoma State-Stanford 8.4 13,684
Allstate Sugar Michigan-Virginia Tech 6.1 9,572
AT&T Cotton Arkansas-Kansas State 5.0 8,363
Outback Michigan State-Georgia 5.1 8,174
Discover Orange West Virginia-Clemson 4.5 7,174
Valero Alamo Baylor-Washington 4.4 6,923

Chick-fil-A Auburn-Virginia 3.6 6,155
Champs Sports Florida State-Notre Dame 3.3 5,228
Insight Oklahoma-Iowa 3.0 4,812
Capital One South Carolina-Nebraska 2.9 4,499
Bridgepoint Education Holiday Texas-Cal 2.7 4,263
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Mississippi State-Wake Forest 2.7 4,214
Hyundai Sun Utah-Georgia Tech 2.7 4,105
Meineke Car Care of Texas Texas A&M-Northwestern 2.7 3,903
Belk Bowl N.C. State-Louisville 2.2 3,470
Kraft Fight Hunger Illinois-UCLA 2.3 3,463
New Era Pinstripe Classic Rutgers-Iowa State 2.1 3,219
Maaco Bowl Las Vegas Boise State-Arizona State 2.1 3,137
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia TCU-Lousiana Tech 2.1 3,106
AutoZone Liberty Cincinnati-Vanderbilt 1.9 2,967
TaxSlayer.com Gator Florida-Ohio State 1.9 2,947
Little Caesars Pizza Purdue-Western Michigan 1.7 2,504
Sheraton Hawaii Southern Miss-Nevada 1.4 2,486
AdvoCare V100 Independence Missouri-North Carolina 1.5 2,483
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Ohio-Utah State 1.7 2,411
R+L Carriers New Orleans Lousiana Lafayette- San Diego State 1.6 2,347
Military Bowl Toledo-Air Force 1.5 2,297
Gildan New Mexico Temple-Wyoming 1.5 2,201
Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Marshall-Florida Int'l 1.5 2,171
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces BYU-Tulsa 1.4 2,025
BBVA Compass SMU-Pittsburgh 1.5 2,010
GoDaddy.com Northern Illinois-Arkansas State 1.2 1,780

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Paytonlives said:
IdaGriz01 said:
No matter what some people think: The bowls are not going away (not all of them, anyway). TV still has hours of air time to fill, and they know college football fans will watch the lesser bowls.

True... but it is the first crack in the dam. BTW College football fans DONT watch the lesser bowls.

BOWL MATCHUP RAT. VIEWERS (000)
BCS Nat'l Championship Alabama-LSU 14.0 24,214
Rose Bowl Oregon-Wisconsin 10.2 17,558
Tostitos Fiesta Oklahoma State-Stanford 8.4 13,684
Allstate Sugar Michigan-Virginia Tech 6.1 9,572
AT&T Cotton Arkansas-Kansas State 5.0 8,363
Outback Michigan State-Georgia 5.1 8,174
Discover Orange West Virginia-Clemson 4.5 7,174
Valero Alamo Baylor-Washington 4.4 6,923

Chick-fil-A Auburn-Virginia 3.6 6,155
Champs Sports Florida State-Notre Dame 3.3 5,228
Insight Oklahoma-Iowa 3.0 4,812
Capital One South Carolina-Nebraska 2.9 4,499
Bridgepoint Education Holiday Texas-Cal 2.7 4,263
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Mississippi State-Wake Forest 2.7 4,214
Hyundai Sun Utah-Georgia Tech 2.7 4,105
Meineke Car Care of Texas Texas A&M-Northwestern 2.7 3,903
Belk Bowl N.C. State-Louisville 2.2 3,470
Kraft Fight Hunger Illinois-UCLA 2.3 3,463
New Era Pinstripe Classic Rutgers-Iowa State 2.1 3,219
Maaco Bowl Las Vegas Boise State-Arizona State 2.1 3,137
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia TCU-Lousiana Tech 2.1 3,106
AutoZone Liberty Cincinnati-Vanderbilt 1.9 2,967
TaxSlayer.com Gator Florida-Ohio State 1.9 2,947
Little Caesars Pizza Purdue-Western Michigan 1.7 2,504
Sheraton Hawaii Southern Miss-Nevada 1.4 2,486
AdvoCare V100 Independence Missouri-North Carolina 1.5 2,483
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Ohio-Utah State 1.7 2,411
R+L Carriers New Orleans Lousiana Lafayette- San Diego State 1.6 2,347
Military Bowl Toledo-Air Force 1.5 2,297
Gildan New Mexico Temple-Wyoming 1.5 2,201
Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Marshall-Florida Int'l 1.5 2,171
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces BYU-Tulsa 1.4 2,025
BBVA Compass SMU-Pittsburgh 1.5 2,010
GoDaddy.com Northern Illinois-Arkansas State 1.2 1,780

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Does anybody know where the FCS NC game fits into that, I would think it would be at least as good as some of the lower bowls. 2000-3000 viewers???
 
Cats2506 said:
Paytonlives said:
IdaGriz01 said:
No matter what some people think: The bowls are not going away (not all of them, anyway). TV still has hours of air time to fill, and they know college football fans will watch the lesser bowls.

True... but it is the first crack in the dam. BTW College football fans DONT watch the lesser bowls.

BOWL MATCHUP RAT. VIEWERS (000)
BCS Nat'l Championship Alabama-LSU 14.0 24,214
Rose Bowl Oregon-Wisconsin 10.2 17,558
Tostitos Fiesta Oklahoma State-Stanford 8.4 13,684
Allstate Sugar Michigan-Virginia Tech 6.1 9,572
AT&T Cotton Arkansas-Kansas State 5.0 8,363
Outback Michigan State-Georgia 5.1 8,174
Discover Orange West Virginia-Clemson 4.5 7,174
Valero Alamo Baylor-Washington 4.4 6,923

Chick-fil-A Auburn-Virginia 3.6 6,155
Champs Sports Florida State-Notre Dame 3.3 5,228
Insight Oklahoma-Iowa 3.0 4,812
Capital One South Carolina-Nebraska 2.9 4,499
Bridgepoint Education Holiday Texas-Cal 2.7 4,263
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Mississippi State-Wake Forest 2.7 4,214
Hyundai Sun Utah-Georgia Tech 2.7 4,105
Meineke Car Care of Texas Texas A&M-Northwestern 2.7 3,903
Belk Bowl N.C. State-Louisville 2.2 3,470
Kraft Fight Hunger Illinois-UCLA 2.3 3,463
New Era Pinstripe Classic Rutgers-Iowa State 2.1 3,219
Maaco Bowl Las Vegas Boise State-Arizona State 2.1 3,137
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia TCU-Lousiana Tech 2.1 3,106
AutoZone Liberty Cincinnati-Vanderbilt 1.9 2,967
TaxSlayer.com Gator Florida-Ohio State 1.9 2,947
Little Caesars Pizza Purdue-Western Michigan 1.7 2,504
Sheraton Hawaii Southern Miss-Nevada 1.4 2,486
AdvoCare V100 Independence Missouri-North Carolina 1.5 2,483
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Ohio-Utah State 1.7 2,411
R+L Carriers New Orleans Lousiana Lafayette- San Diego State 1.6 2,347
Military Bowl Toledo-Air Force 1.5 2,297
Gildan New Mexico Temple-Wyoming 1.5 2,201
Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Marshall-Florida Int'l 1.5 2,171
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces BYU-Tulsa 1.4 2,025
BBVA Compass SMU-Pittsburgh 1.5 2,010
GoDaddy.com Northern Illinois-Arkansas State 1.2 1,780

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2012/01/13/Media/Bowl-ratings/Bowl-Viewership.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does anybody know where the FCS NC game fits into that, I would think it would be at least as good as some of the lower bowls. 2000-3000 viewers???
Depends on whether the Griz are in it or not....
 
Cats2506 said:
Paytonlives said:
IdaGriz01 said:
No matter what some people think: The bowls are not going away (not all of them, anyway). TV still has hours of air time to fill, and they know college football fans will watch the lesser bowls.

True... but it is the first crack in the dam. BTW College football fans DONT watch the lesser bowls.

BOWL MATCHUP RAT. VIEWERS (000)
BCS Nat'l Championship Alabama-LSU 14.0 24,214
Rose Bowl Oregon-Wisconsin 10.2 17,558
Tostitos Fiesta Oklahoma State-Stanford 8.4 13,684
Allstate Sugar Michigan-Virginia Tech 6.1 9,572
AT&T Cotton Arkansas-Kansas State 5.0 8,363
Outback Michigan State-Georgia 5.1 8,174
Discover Orange West Virginia-Clemson 4.5 7,174
Valero Alamo Baylor-Washington 4.4 6,923

Chick-fil-A Auburn-Virginia 3.6 6,155
Champs Sports Florida State-Notre Dame 3.3 5,228
Insight Oklahoma-Iowa 3.0 4,812
Capital One South Carolina-Nebraska 2.9 4,499
Bridgepoint Education Holiday Texas-Cal 2.7 4,263
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Mississippi State-Wake Forest 2.7 4,214
Hyundai Sun Utah-Georgia Tech 2.7 4,105
Meineke Car Care of Texas Texas A&M-Northwestern 2.7 3,903
Belk Bowl N.C. State-Louisville 2.2 3,470
Kraft Fight Hunger Illinois-UCLA 2.3 3,463
New Era Pinstripe Classic Rutgers-Iowa State 2.1 3,219
Maaco Bowl Las Vegas Boise State-Arizona State 2.1 3,137
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia TCU-Lousiana Tech 2.1 3,106
AutoZone Liberty Cincinnati-Vanderbilt 1.9 2,967
TaxSlayer.com Gator Florida-Ohio State 1.9 2,947
Little Caesars Pizza Purdue-Western Michigan 1.7 2,504
Sheraton Hawaii Southern Miss-Nevada 1.4 2,486
AdvoCare V100 Independence Missouri-North Carolina 1.5 2,483
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Ohio-Utah State 1.7 2,411
R+L Carriers New Orleans Lousiana Lafayette- San Diego State 1.6 2,347
Military Bowl Toledo-Air Force 1.5 2,297
Gildan New Mexico Temple-Wyoming 1.5 2,201
Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Marshall-Florida Int'l 1.5 2,171
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces BYU-Tulsa 1.4 2,025
BBVA Compass SMU-Pittsburgh 1.5 2,010
GoDaddy.com Northern Illinois-Arkansas State 1.2 1,780

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2012/01/13/Media/Bowl-ratings/Bowl-Viewership.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does anybody know where the FCS NC game fits into that, I would think it would be at least as good as some of the lower bowls. 2000-3000 viewers???

Those numbers are in Millions... so 1780= 1,780,000
 
Some interesting numbers there for the bowl ratings. I was curious to see those numbers in perspective. That is, I went to that site and collected comparable ratings for other sporting events (mostly football).

To summarize the bowls:
BSC “Natl Champ” : 14.0
BSC Bowls : 6.1-10.2
Other most-watched bowls (4) : 4.4-5.1
Top “other” bowls (8) : 2.7-3.6
Next tier bowls (8) : 1.7-2.2
The rest of the bowls (10) : 1.2-1.4

Regular season college football (range across several weeks)
Top matchups (regional) : 3.1-5.4
Lesser matchups (regional) : 2.0-2.2

Selected regular games
"Super-marquee" matches (maybe one a week) : 5.0-6.1
Auburn-LSU : 3.4
Georgia-Florida : 3.6
Nebraska-Wisconsin : 3.2
LSU-Tenn : 2.8
Arkansas-Alabama : 2.6
USC-Notre Dame : 2.6

Army-Air Force : 1.3
Notre Dame-Navy : 1.2

NASCAR Sprint Cup : 3.0
Breeder’s Cup (horse racing) World Championship : 1.0
PGA Tour event (various rounds): 1.1-1.4
Rugby World Cup : 0.6

Conclusions
I did not put up the numbers, but be aware that, except for the BCS bowls and the so-called "national championship," ratings for NFL football crushes the ratings for college football. (They generally seem to run 9.0 and up, even before the playoffs.)

Beyond that, the best of the bowls match or exceed the ratings of the best regular-season football games between higher-ranked teams.

The top tier of the other bowls are in the ballpark for the best regular season regional matchups and top nationally-televised big-name games (Georgia-Florida, etc.). In fact, their ratings exceeded some pretty good regular season games (USC-Notre Dame, for example). (This tier of bowls even stacks up pretty well against NASCAR.)

The next tier (1.7-2.2) doesn’t look that bad against some pretty good regular season football games, and exceeded games between “name" programs like Notre Dame and the service academies. (Admittedly, no one thinks these teams are top-level competitors, but their names do draw viewers.)

Clearly the bottom tier of bowls is pretty pathetic -- these are the obvious candidates for going away. Still, they draw better than top-level horse racing (no surprise there), and about the same as the PGA. And bad as these bowl are, they offer the networks better audience numbers than Rugby, gymnastics, bull riding, skiing, and a bunch of other fringe interests.

Nope, the bowls are not going away.

(The only FCS game I could find that had been rated was the Bayou Classic, Grambling vs Southern, which earned a 0.6 rating. The site did not give a rating for the FCS national championship.)
 
Paytonlives said:
Cats2506 said:
Paytonlives said:
IdaGriz01 said:
No matter what some people think: The bowls are not going away (not all of them, anyway). TV still has hours of air time to fill, and they know college football fans will watch the lesser bowls.

True... but it is the first crack in the dam. BTW College football fans DONT watch the lesser bowls.

BOWL MATCHUP RAT. VIEWERS (000)
BCS Nat'l Championship Alabama-LSU 14.0 24,214
Rose Bowl Oregon-Wisconsin 10.2 17,558
Tostitos Fiesta Oklahoma State-Stanford 8.4 13,684
Allstate Sugar Michigan-Virginia Tech 6.1 9,572
AT&T Cotton Arkansas-Kansas State 5.0 8,363
Outback Michigan State-Georgia 5.1 8,174
Discover Orange West Virginia-Clemson 4.5 7,174
Valero Alamo Baylor-Washington 4.4 6,923

Chick-fil-A Auburn-Virginia 3.6 6,155
Champs Sports Florida State-Notre Dame 3.3 5,228
Insight Oklahoma-Iowa 3.0 4,812
Capital One South Carolina-Nebraska 2.9 4,499
Bridgepoint Education Holiday Texas-Cal 2.7 4,263
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Mississippi State-Wake Forest 2.7 4,214
Hyundai Sun Utah-Georgia Tech 2.7 4,105
Meineke Car Care of Texas Texas A&M-Northwestern 2.7 3,903
Belk Bowl N.C. State-Louisville 2.2 3,470
Kraft Fight Hunger Illinois-UCLA 2.3 3,463
New Era Pinstripe Classic Rutgers-Iowa State 2.1 3,219
Maaco Bowl Las Vegas Boise State-Arizona State 2.1 3,137
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia TCU-Lousiana Tech 2.1 3,106
AutoZone Liberty Cincinnati-Vanderbilt 1.9 2,967
TaxSlayer.com Gator Florida-Ohio State 1.9 2,947
Little Caesars Pizza Purdue-Western Michigan 1.7 2,504
Sheraton Hawaii Southern Miss-Nevada 1.4 2,486
AdvoCare V100 Independence Missouri-North Carolina 1.5 2,483
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Ohio-Utah State 1.7 2,411
R+L Carriers New Orleans Lousiana Lafayette- San Diego State 1.6 2,347
Military Bowl Toledo-Air Force 1.5 2,297
Gildan New Mexico Temple-Wyoming 1.5 2,201
Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Marshall-Florida Int'l 1.5 2,171
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces BYU-Tulsa 1.4 2,025
BBVA Compass SMU-Pittsburgh 1.5 2,010
GoDaddy.com Northern Illinois-Arkansas State 1.2 1,780

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Does anybody know where the FCS NC game fits into that, I would think it would be at least as good as some of the lower bowls. 2000-3000 viewers???

Those numbers are in Millions... so 1780= 1,780,000

Reguardless, I will take you answer ans an "I dont know"
 
Paytonlives said:
BACK FROM THE DEAD: Because the last two years, the Big 12 has been seen as a potential yard sale, and now the Big 12 is simply going yard thanks to another incredible home run by interim commissioner Chuck Neinas.

Sports columnists: People who can't write, writing columns about people who can't talk, for people who can't read. :lol:
 
Cats2506 said:
Paytonlives said:
Cats2506 said:
Paytonlives said:
True... but it is the first crack in the dam. BTW College football fans DONT watch the lesser bowls.

BOWL MATCHUP RAT. VIEWERS (000)
BCS Nat'l Championship Alabama-LSU 14.0 24,214
Rose Bowl Oregon-Wisconsin 10.2 17,558
Tostitos Fiesta Oklahoma State-Stanford 8.4 13,684
Allstate Sugar Michigan-Virginia Tech 6.1 9,572
AT&T Cotton Arkansas-Kansas State 5.0 8,363
Outback Michigan State-Georgia 5.1 8,174
Discover Orange West Virginia-Clemson 4.5 7,174
Valero Alamo Baylor-Washington 4.4 6,923

Chick-fil-A Auburn-Virginia 3.6 6,155
Champs Sports Florida State-Notre Dame 3.3 5,228
Insight Oklahoma-Iowa 3.0 4,812
Capital One South Carolina-Nebraska 2.9 4,499
Bridgepoint Education Holiday Texas-Cal 2.7 4,263
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Mississippi State-Wake Forest 2.7 4,214
Hyundai Sun Utah-Georgia Tech 2.7 4,105
Meineke Car Care of Texas Texas A&M-Northwestern 2.7 3,903
Belk Bowl N.C. State-Louisville 2.2 3,470
Kraft Fight Hunger Illinois-UCLA 2.3 3,463
New Era Pinstripe Classic Rutgers-Iowa State 2.1 3,219
Maaco Bowl Las Vegas Boise State-Arizona State 2.1 3,137
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia TCU-Lousiana Tech 2.1 3,106
AutoZone Liberty Cincinnati-Vanderbilt 1.9 2,967
TaxSlayer.com Gator Florida-Ohio State 1.9 2,947
Little Caesars Pizza Purdue-Western Michigan 1.7 2,504
Sheraton Hawaii Southern Miss-Nevada 1.4 2,486
AdvoCare V100 Independence Missouri-North Carolina 1.5 2,483
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Ohio-Utah State 1.7 2,411
R+L Carriers New Orleans Lousiana Lafayette- San Diego State 1.6 2,347
Military Bowl Toledo-Air Force 1.5 2,297
Gildan New Mexico Temple-Wyoming 1.5 2,201
Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Marshall-Florida Int'l 1.5 2,171
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces BYU-Tulsa 1.4 2,025
BBVA Compass SMU-Pittsburgh 1.5 2,010
GoDaddy.com Northern Illinois-Arkansas State 1.2 1,780

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2012/01/13/Media/Bowl-ratings/Bowl-Viewership.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does anybody know where the FCS NC game fits into that, I would think it would be at least as good as some of the lower bowls. 2000-3000 viewers???

Those numbers are in Millions... so 1780= 1,780,000

Reguardless, I will take you answer ans an "I dont know"

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2011-12-22/fcs-championship-record-pace" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1.0 + rating for 6 of the last 7 years. So, slightly over a million viewers.
 
Cats2506 said:
Paytonlives said:
IdaGriz01 said:
No matter what some people think: The bowls are not going away (not all of them, anyway). TV still has hours of air time to fill, and they know college football fans will watch the lesser bowls.

True... but it is the first crack in the dam. BTW College football fans DONT watch the lesser bowls.

BOWL MATCHUP RAT. VIEWERS (000)
BCS Nat'l Championship Alabama-LSU 14.0 24,214
Rose Bowl Oregon-Wisconsin 10.2 17,558
Tostitos Fiesta Oklahoma State-Stanford 8.4 13,684
Allstate Sugar Michigan-Virginia Tech 6.1 9,572
AT&T Cotton Arkansas-Kansas State 5.0 8,363
Outback Michigan State-Georgia 5.1 8,174
Discover Orange West Virginia-Clemson 4.5 7,174
Valero Alamo Baylor-Washington 4.4 6,923

Chick-fil-A Auburn-Virginia 3.6 6,155
Champs Sports Florida State-Notre Dame 3.3 5,228
Insight Oklahoma-Iowa 3.0 4,812
Capital One South Carolina-Nebraska 2.9 4,499
Bridgepoint Education Holiday Texas-Cal 2.7 4,263
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Mississippi State-Wake Forest 2.7 4,214
Hyundai Sun Utah-Georgia Tech 2.7 4,105
Meineke Car Care of Texas Texas A&M-Northwestern 2.7 3,903
Belk Bowl N.C. State-Louisville 2.2 3,470
Kraft Fight Hunger Illinois-UCLA 2.3 3,463
New Era Pinstripe Classic Rutgers-Iowa State 2.1 3,219
Maaco Bowl Las Vegas Boise State-Arizona State 2.1 3,137
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia TCU-Lousiana Tech 2.1 3,106
AutoZone Liberty Cincinnati-Vanderbilt 1.9 2,967
TaxSlayer.com Gator Florida-Ohio State 1.9 2,947
Little Caesars Pizza Purdue-Western Michigan 1.7 2,504
Sheraton Hawaii Southern Miss-Nevada 1.4 2,486
AdvoCare V100 Independence Missouri-North Carolina 1.5 2,483
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Ohio-Utah State 1.7 2,411
R+L Carriers New Orleans Lousiana Lafayette- San Diego State 1.6 2,347
Military Bowl Toledo-Air Force 1.5 2,297
Gildan New Mexico Temple-Wyoming 1.5 2,201
Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Marshall-Florida Int'l 1.5 2,171
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces BYU-Tulsa 1.4 2,025
BBVA Compass SMU-Pittsburgh 1.5 2,010
GoDaddy.com Northern Illinois-Arkansas State 1.2 1,780

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2012/01/13/Media/Bowl-ratings/Bowl-Viewership.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does anybody know where the FCS NC game fits into that, I would think it would be at least as good as some of the lower bowls. 2000-3000 viewers???
Not sure what the FCS drew this year, but the App. State at Montana game drew a 1.6 national and a 2.3 in the LA area...probably the highest FCS rating excluding the Grambling game with their rival..
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Paytonlives said:
BACK FROM THE DEAD: Because the last two years, the Big 12 has been seen as a potential yard sale, and now the Big 12 is simply going yard thanks to another incredible home run by interim commissioner Chuck Neinas.

Sports columnists: People who can't write, writing columns about people who can't talk, for people who can't read. :lol:


Have to agree here considering many are tied to the networks brodcasting said games, like ESPN.com.

Conflict of interest.... :shock:
 
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