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Montana women hoops suffers another injury

grizzlyjournal

grizzlyjournal

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Ugh. Three straight years, Montana loses a key player to knee problems. That doesn't account for the pain and hindrance of McKenzie Johnston's broken nose & playing tough while hurting. At the end of the bench, Taylor, Madi and Sophia -- all players who would otherwise log double-digit minutes -- will watch as a roster, now at 10/11 (depending upon Katie Mayhue's recovery) will again rely upon younger players as backups. I wish the best to Taylor in recovery; the pain of injuries like this is both physical & mental.

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That's a bummer for Taylor and the team.

I missed the Mayhue injury. Can anybody elaborate on this?

Fortunately, the team played great Saturday without either of these ladies. Gabi, Sammy, Emma and Jace all played great games in the victory. McKenzie was a bit off offensively, but she played a gritty game with the mask on that protects her broken nose. Jace and McKenzie logged a lot of minutes.
 
go96griz said:
That's a bummer for Taylor and the team.

I missed the Mayhue injury. Can anybody elaborate on this?

Fortunately, the team played great Saturday without either of these ladies. Gabi, Sammy, Emma and Jace all played great games in the victory. McKenzie was a bit off offensively, but she played a gritty game with the mask on that protects her broken nose. Jace and McKenzie logged a lot of minutes.
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Looks like Jordan Schewen is the only backup at guard right now until Mayhue gets back (if she gets back). If Johnston is to ever get much of a break, Mayhue needs to get back soon. Luckily Fatkin can play point guard.
 
TrueGriz said:
Looks like Jordan Schewen is the only backup at guard right now until Mayhue gets back (if she gets back). If Johnston is to ever get much of a break, Mayhue needs to get back soon. Luckily Fatkin can play point guard.
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I would add Lee Camel, aware that she hasn't seen the court much this season.
 
Bummer. She was playing well. At the game on Saturday a week ago, I was told that someone had fallen on Mayhue's ankle, but it wasn't expected to be much. Hope her not playing against Idaho is not an indication that it's worse than was thought initially.
 
grizzlyjournal said:
TrueGriz said:
Looks like Jordan Schewen is the only backup at guard right now until Mayhue gets back (if she gets back). If Johnston is to ever get much of a break, Mayhue needs to get back soon. Luckily Fatkin can play point guard.
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I would add Lee Camel, aware that she hasn't seen the court much this season.
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Lee Camel has only played in the exhibition games which makes me think she is red shirting.
 
Arm chair QB here, but I sincerely hope someone is examine their strength and conditioning program. Many women’s programs have injuries with knees. The Griz seem to have an unusually high amount the oat few years. Could be bad luck - could be hey are not incorporating the right exercises and drills.
 
Copper, you said what I have been thinking for some time, now. I have nothing to base my suspicion on, so just STFU and watched and read. I wasn't about to the first on by block to say something stinks here.
I don't recall the injuries to Selvigs teams coming even remotely close to Schweyen's teams spate of injuries. I was skeptical after year one. I was WTF after year two. But, now...
I thought someone needed check out WHY all the injuries. What in their training is lacking, or being over emphasized which could lead to three straight years these injuries?
If I was a parent of a basketball prospect being recruited by the Lady Griz, I'd be a protective parent and want to know WHY ALL THE INJURIES. Without an air tight explanation, I'd direct my kid out of state, to MSU-B, or Frontier Conference, but never to Bozeman. I wouldn't call it an investigation, but an examination of practice. This could cause recruiting to suffer. No delay, do it now.
 
tourist said:
Copper, you said what I have been thinking for some time, now. I have nothing to base my suspicion on, so just STFU and watched and read. I wasn't about to the first on by block to say something stinks here.
I don't recall the injuries to Selvigs teams coming even remotely close to Schweyen's teams spate of injuries. I was skeptical after year one. I was WTF after year two. But, now...
I thought someone needed check out WHY all the injuries. What in their training is lacking, or being over emphasized which could lead to three straight years these injuries?
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My position exactly. Went from Damn...to WTF....to this is getting to be rigoddamneddiculous....
 
tourist said:
Copper, you said what I have been thinking for some time, now. I have nothing to base my suspicion on, so just STFU and watched and read. I wasn't about to the first on by block to say something stinks here.
I don't recall the injuries to Selvigs teams coming even remotely close to Schweyen's teams spate of injuries. I was skeptical after year one. I was WTF after year two. But, now...
I thought someone needed check out WHY all the injuries. What in their training is lacking, or being over emphasized which could lead to three straight years these injuries?
If I was a parent of a basketball prospect being recruited by the Lady Griz, I'd be a protective parent and want to know WHY ALL THE INJURIES. Without an air tight explanation, I'd direct my kid out of state, to MSU-B, or Frontier Conference, but never to Bozeman. I wouldn't call it an investigation, but an examination of practice. This could cause recruiting to suffer. No delay, do it now.
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On a good note Tourist, this is an issue that could be easily addressed/rectified. Hopefully the coaching staff is on top of this and it would not hurt to address through media channels. Be positive and proactive. I hate seeing any kid get injured, especially if there are drills and excercises that mitigate the possibility of blowing a knee. There is a strong tradition of winning for the women’s program. I would like to see that continue. Go Griz.
 
I have said this before, but this is at root a female physiology issue. The knee/hip alignment puts more stress on the knee. As there beings to have an emphasis on upper leg (quad) strength development, that is only going to add more stress to the knee.

The female ACL injury issue is a much discussed and medically charted issue that has spanned multiple sports and decades of research.

I don’t have an answer, but it isn’t wholly weight training. That can help mitigate some of the stress. There has been a focus, especially in female weight training in developing strength balance between quads, hamstring, core and calf muscles. Imbalance can create more issues beyond natural strength development. But as the women’s game gets stronger, faster you might see more knee injuries and not less.
 
Copper Griz said:
tourist said:
Copper, you said what I have been thinking for some time, now. I have nothing to base my suspicion on, so just STFU and watched and read. I wasn't about to the first on by block to say something stinks here.
I don't recall the injuries to Selvigs teams coming even remotely close to Schweyen's teams spate of injuries. I was skeptical after year one. I was WTF after year two. But, now...
I thought someone needed check out WHY all the injuries. What in their training is lacking, or being over emphasized which could lead to three straight years these injuries?
If I was a parent of a basketball prospect being recruited by the Lady Griz, I'd be a protective parent and want to know WHY ALL THE INJURIES. Without an air tight explanation, I'd direct my kid out of state, to MSU-B, or Frontier Conference, but never to Bozeman. I wouldn't call it an investigation, but an examination of practice. This could cause recruiting to suffer. No delay, do it now.
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On a good note Tourist, this is an issue that could be easily addressed/rectified. Hopefully the coaching staff is on top of this and it would not hurt to address through media channels. Be positive and proactive. I hate seeing any kid get injured, especially if there are drills and excercises that mitigate the possibility of blowing a knee. There is a strong tradition of winning for the women’s program. I would like to see that continue. Go Griz.
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I would bet the University's Risk Management people have already looked into the injury problem with the Lady Griz. If they haven't, they should be replaced. I don't know the prevalence of these injuries across the Big Sky, or women's basketball in general. If the injury rates were similar to other programs, then, as 24 has noted, just one of the risks of womens basketball. If the Lady Griz rate is substantially higher, then there may be a problem, one which teams competing for recruits with UM will undoubtably note during home visits with recruit and family. Perception can be stronger than fact.
 
I have seen a marked change over the past 5 to 10 years on how PT’s rehab men v. Women in knee injury cases. Still hear a lot of 1 to 1.5 year rehab schedules for girls, where I see a lot more .5 to 1 year rehab plans for boys. There is an obvious concern on how muscles are rebuilt around the knee to prevent another ligament failure in the same knee.

If there is a complete replacement, with a full recovery, there technically shouldn’t be an increased chance of reinjury. Yet anecdotally I have seen a lot more re-injury of knees in women than men. That includes a number of Lady Griz players (Jill Henkel first comes to mind) as well as a number of HS athletes that I have been around. In a couple of cases, the knee injury occurs in literal days after resumption of full athletic clearance from the doctors.

Again I don’t think you can fully eliminate the injury risk, and if you hadn’t had them in the past doesn’t suggest someone does something right or wrong. Knee injuries are a confluence of events, just as broken legs, sprained ankles or concussions . There is a difference in how the knee injuries more commonly occur in men and women, and I don’t think you can completely eliminate the types of movements that increase the likelihood more than you can create strength programs that lessen the opportunity or chances of injury in those movements. as such I think there is a focus on balanced muscle development vs. explosion training.

If you ever wanted to get an understanding as to the differences in physiology watch the feet and leg position in squats between men and women.
 
This is certainly not a problem limited to Montana. Idaho State's women's team currently is playing without its top two point guards (ACL and ankle), and two reserve forwards (ankle and broken hand). The ACL is a much-discussed injury in women's basketball -- the linked article below, about Notre Dame's women's team which was down to 8 scholarship players last season because of injuries, says various studies show women are 2 to 10 times more likely to blow an ACL than men.

https://www.ndinsider.com/basketball/womens/notre-dame-women-s-basketball-adjusting-again-to-shrinking-roster/article_9fee9d6e-d6ff-11e7-950a-03bd0f861a63.html
 
Thanks for posting that article, Bengal. It offers a good perspective about what causes ACL injuries to happen to women more than men. Sometimes I wonder if it has more to do with biomechanics than anatomy or hormones.
 
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