Montana vs Montana-Western

[Sugar Bear 16]

Thanks. The list was bigger than I recalled. Strait, Martin and Chavez remained, but they were Kennedy recruits. Don't recall on Dlouhy. Was he also a Kennedy recruit? Another talented Kennedy recruit, the athletic guard, was moved on by LK right away. Rundles didn't last. Ellis had only one year left, I believe. A number of supposedly talented LK recruits/players left fairly quickly. Now in year 3, aren't Hasquett and Sharp the only remaining LK recruits? Shouldn't there be alot more than that? Had LK offered Bobby Howard earlier, he would have come to UM. He appears to be doing very well at MSU this year, so far. Don't get me wrong. I love LK and what he did. But I can be objective on this subject.

Dream on!

Well first of all LK was long gone before Howard even started his senior year academically, which means he couldn't have offered him by NCAA rules until he starts his senior year in high school. They can talk about that stuff put, they cannot offer a scholarhsip until a prospect starts his senior year in high school academically. Oh, PR you know so little but, say so much.

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

So, in year 3 after LK departed, there is only one LK recruit left (Sharp), assuming GW's info is correct, of course. With many players redshirting, shouldn't there be alot more LK recruits on the team now? I know that some players will eventually leave after a new coach arrives, but I don't think it's normal to have only 1 remaining recruit in year 2.1.

I think most agree that there were considerable returners the first year after LK left. At some point, I recall many people saying that the loss of Criswell and Mathews were even bigger losses than many had realized. I'm not saying that WT should not have had a better year the first year after LK left. Last year was kind of a odd year, as we lost those 6 or 7 really close games, and never could hit our stride.

MCat, I know Howard fairly well. I know what he told me at various times over the years, including what he said right after the state tourney and a month or so later. I also know what he said after WT finally gave him an offer. I also know his family. All of my information is first hand. So, you are the one who is dreaming.

So what's Bobby's Middle name pr? What's his little brothers name? MCat won't repsond to you becuase, he is probaly laughing so hard from your unsmart comments. LK was out the door for the Bucks in the Spring of 06. Hmm, BH graduated in 07 plus signed with the Cats then. BH wasn't a senior until the fall of 06 which was like 4-5 months after LK left plus Brad was the HC for the Cats around the same time LK left and Brad was the coach who recruited BH. Do you see where I'm going with this pr? Use some common sense.

 

[PlayerRep]

Sugar Bear, your lack of basic baskeball recruiting knowledge and basic facts is significant.

It is common to offer basketball recruits late in their junior year of high school, often following the basketball season. That's why the recruits sign in November of their senior year.

LK left UM in late June of Howard's junior year of high school. WT made the formal offer to Howard on day of the announcement that he would replace LK as the head coach. He actually contacted Howard in the morning before his press conference. By then, Howard had already decided that he would likely go to MSU, although he not yet verballed. I believe Howard also had Gonzaga in the back of his mind and was going to a camp or two there. I don't think LK had ever seen him play. UM was also recruiting Selvig and Qvale at the time.

Howard's brothers are Brian and Brendan, a senior in high school and a 9/10 year old. Both parents played hoops at MSU. His mom was a star. Again, nice family.

 

[Mslacat]

The "if they had offered he will come" theory is a big stretch. I will say this though, IF Larry K. had not totally screwed up the Griz recruitment of Bobby Howard, it would have help the Griz immensely in the very late efforts to sign Mr. Howard."

PlayerRep you have a PM

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

Sugar Bear, your lack of basic baskeball recruiting knowledge and basic facts is significant.

It is common to offer basketball recruits late in their junior year of high school, often following the basketball season. That's why the recruits sign in November of their senior year.

LK left UM in late June of Howard's junior year of high school. WT made the formal offer to Howard on day of the announcement that he would replace LK as the head coach. He actually contacted Howard in the morning before his press conference. By then, Howard had already decided that he would likely go to MSU, although he not yet verballed. I believe Howard also had Gonzaga in the back of his mind and was going to a camp or two there. I don't think LK had ever seen him play. UM was also recruiting Selvig and Qvale at the time.

Howard's brothers are Brian and Brendan, a senior in high school and a 9/10 year old. Both parents played hoops at MSU. His mom was a star. Again, nice family.

You show me where in the NCAA rules manual where it's states they can offer recruits scholarships when they are Juniors or lower in H.S., becuase , I have taken the recruiting test 3 times (granted it was 10 years ago but, I'm pretty sure those rules have not changed) and no where does it state you can "offer to non-seniors", you can talk about scholarships and when you can make an offer but, you cannot make a non-senior an offer. You can talk about what is available to be offered when such an such player is a senior but, you cannot say "we plan on," or " we will offer recrutis name this scholarship." Those are big no, no's to non-seniors. You can look at the manual online at NCAA.org. Just to fore warn you it's very extensive but, the areas you want too look at and the primary areas that the recruiting test are based on are the eligibilty, finacial, and recruiting sections.
I know his father well I worked at many MSU camps with him and his youngest son plays on the same all-star hoops team with Brad Huse's oldest son. Coach Howard and Brad have been good friends since Brad's days as an assitant for Mick. The griz were an option but, it's only becuase, Brad was an assistant there and Mick's future at that time was uncertain at MSU. LK didn't screw-up the recruitment of Howard.
GU was never in the cards for BH, GU sends out mail to all the top prospects in Montana but, until they call you up and offer up an official vist its just mail. GU has plenty of guys right now and down the road at BH's position. Just becuase, a player gets mail from and attends camp at a school doesn't translate into being heavily recruited by that school. uhhh. robo where are you?

 

[PlayerRep]

The Kalispell qb was offered a basketball schollie by Gonzaga when he was about a frosh. Here's an article describing multiple schollie offers of kids at younger ages, including the 8th grader who was offered by Kentucky last May. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/andy_staples/05/06/kentucky.0506/index.html

I would doubt that Howard's youngest son plays on any team with Huse's oldest son. Huse has a kid who 7th grade (or 8th). Howard's youngest son is no older than 5th grade (and perhaps younger). 5th graders don't play on all-star teams. Jeez, they don't even live in the same cities.

SugarBear, your BS is incredible.

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

The Kalispell qb was offered a basketball schollie by Gonzaga when he was about a frosh. Here's an article describing multiple schollie offers of kids at younger ages, including the 8th grader who was offered by Kentucky last May. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/andy_staples/05/06/kentucky.0506/index.html

I would doubt that Howard's youngest son plays on any team with Huse's oldest son. Huse has a kid who 7th grade (or 8th). Howard's youngest son is no older than 5th grade (and perhaps younger). 5th graders don't play on all-star teams. Jeez, they don't even live in the same cities.

SugarBear, your BS is incredible.

Your stupidity goes beyond reason.

The Kalispell QB is named Brock Osweiler. He verbally committed to Gonzaga during his sophomore year. Players can verbally commit at anytime it doesn't mean they were offered a scholarship, the only thing it means is they intend on signing with that school., during 1 of the 2 signing dates during their senior year. IF H.S. UNDERCLASSMEN COULD BE OFFERED SCHOLARSHIPS THEN THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE RULE RESTRICTING THEM TO ONLY BEING ABLE TO SIGN DURING THEIR SENIOR YEAR IN H.S. COMMON SENSE PR, COMMON SENSE. Like I said PR show me in the NCAA rules where it says H.S. Underclassmen (That would be student A's lower than seniors) can be OFFERED AND SIGN scholarship offers. If wouldn't pin my hopes or point on an article not directly from or out of the NCAA office Indy. As for Howards youngest son call him up and ask him if you don't beleive, because they've played in hoopfest and few tourneys together its been in the tribune and bozeman paper. Just to let you know you don't have to live in the same city to play on a all-star team, that's why they are called all-star, aau, or youth traveling teams. Wake-up, the Warehouse facility in Spokane has 4th grade thru 12 grade youth basketball tournaments running year round loaded with teams from over the NW that strangley enough have kids that don't live in the same town or going to the same school that play together. Ask your supposed coaching resources that coached in College so they can explain the AAU scene to you. I think all the hot air in your blow-up doll is affecting your ability to reason.

Your ignorance is incredible.

 

[Mslacat]

You can offer a kid when he is in grade school! A kid can commit any time he wants. There has even been a few cases where a kid has committed before a school has even offered. It does not become official or even mean much until he signs a letter of intent, which he can not sign until November of his senior year in high school

 

[PlayerRep]

Here's what you said, Sugar Bear. Not that you said "offer". MCat has confirmed that offers can and are made all the time prior to senior years.

"You show me where in the NCAA rules manual where it's states they can offer recruits scholarships when they are Juniors or lower in H.S., becuase , I have taken the recruiting test 3 times (granted it was 10 years ago but, I'm pretty sure those rules have not changed) and no where does it state you can "offer to non-seniors", you can talk about scholarships and when you can make an offer but, you cannot make a non-senior an offer."

I am completely familiar with AAU. I have had 4 kids play high school sports, including basketball, so far, and have a oyunger kid playing AAU now.

It's amusing to have someone try to tell me something that I have firsthand knowledge about. Too funny.

Maybe one of the younger Huse kids is about the age of the younger Howard kid, but it's not the oldest Huse kid. Even if a Huse and Howard kid have played ball together in a tourney, what does that have to do with what BH was thinking during the recruiting process?

You now have zero credibility with the board--not that you had much, if any, before you started saying offers couldn't be made until senior year.

 

[Afan]

Here's what you said, Sugar Bear. Not that you said "offer". MCat has confirmed that offers can and are made all the time prior to senior years.

"You show me where in the NCAA rules manual where it's states they can offer recruits scholarships when they are Juniors or lower in H.S., becuase , I have taken the recruiting test 3 times (granted it was 10 years ago but, I'm pretty sure those rules have not changed) and no where does it state you can "offer to non-seniors", you can talk about scholarships and when you can make an offer but, you cannot make a non-senior an offer."

I am completely familiar with AAU. I have had 4 kids play high school sports, including basketball, so far, and have a oyunger kid playing AAU now.

It's amusing to have someone try to tell me something that I have firsthand knowledge about. Too funny.

Maybe one of the younger Huse kids is about the age of the younger Howard kid, but it's not the oldest Huse kid. Even if a Huse and Howard kid have played ball together in a tourney, what does that have to do with what BH was thinking during the recruiting process?

You now have zero credibility with the board--not that you had much, if any, before you started saying offers couldn't be made until senior year.

I guess I fall into the category of the had LK offered Howard after the State Tourney in 2006 he would have been a Griz. From what I heard WT came back from Butte and said offer if you remember it was the same week Mick resigned and The Howard's were really upset with the way MSU treated Mick and Bobby was really starting to warm up to the Griz I know I saw him and his mom at a Griz men's game a week or two before the Tourney (I never would have thought I would see Kathleen (McLaughlin) Howard a Bobcat hall of famer at a Griz game). From what I had heard at the time shewas fine with whatever Bobby chose. So yeh LK messed up and I also know kids can be offered early according to the "Historical Bobcats" Mick offered Bobby before he started traveling with the Rotarty team out of Seattle early in his junior season.

As for the younger Howard Brendan I saw him play three weeks ago in a three on three tourney in GFs he is only a fourth grader but is already well over 5 feet tall and pretty physical player. His team of Great falls guys beat Huse's second son (Drew) team from Bozeman in the championship. In talking to some folks from Bozeman Drew and Brendan played with Doug Hashley's 4th grade son and Gilham (Nebraska star) from Kalispell 4th grade son at the Spokane tourney. According to these people they just dominated the 4th grade division in Spokane and Bob Howard was coaching but Huse and Hashley were the very active assistants. Mslcat probably knows more on that since he has all the inside info on the cats. I do know that after watching this 4th grader play he has a lot of potential to be a very good player like his older brother which means we in Helena will haveto deal with him in the next 8 years in travel tournaments and high school games as well. And yes there are AAU and travel tournaments as young as 4th grade and they do play with kids that live in other cities. I would not be suprised to see little Howard start playing with Rotary out of Seattle at a much younger age then his older brother.

So in conclusion Sugar Bear you can get an offer before your senior year, you just cannot sign the letter until Nov. of your senior year. Also talk to some of the GF & Helena Griz supporters LK blew it he could have signed Bobby even before Huse got the offer from MSU. WT was already making that connection with the Howards.

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

Here's what you said, Sugar Bear. Not that you said "offer". MCat has confirmed that offers can and are made all the time prior to senior years.

"You show me where in the NCAA rules manual where it's states they can offer recruits scholarships when they are Juniors or lower in H.S., becuase , I have taken the recruiting test 3 times (granted it was 10 years ago but, I'm pretty sure those rules have not changed) and no where does it state you can "offer to non-seniors", you can talk about scholarships and when you can make an offer but, you cannot make a non-senior an offer."

I am completely familiar with AAU. I have had 4 kids play high school sports, including basketball, so far, and have a oyunger kid playing AAU now.

It's amusing to have someone try to tell me something that I have firsthand knowledge about. Too funny.

Maybe one of the younger Huse kids is about the age of the younger Howard kid, but it's not the oldest Huse kid. Even if a Huse and Howard kid have played ball together in a tourney, what does that have to do with what BH was thinking during the recruiting process?

You now have zero credibility with the board--not that you had much, if any, before you started saying offers couldn't be made until senior year.

I guess I fall into the category of the had LK offered Howard after the State Tourney in 2006 he would have been a Griz. From what I heard WT came back from Butte and said offer if you remember it was the same week Mick resigned and The Howard's were really upset with the way MSU treated Mick and Bobby was really starting to warm up to the Griz I know I saw him and his mom at a Griz men's game a week or two before the Tourney (I never would have thought I would see Kathleen (McLaughlin) Howard a Bobcat hall of famer at a Griz game). From what I had heard at the time shewas fine with whatever Bobby chose. So yeh LK messed up and I also know kids can be offered early according to the "Historical Bobcats" Mick offered Bobby before he started traveling with the Rotarty team out of Seattle early in his junior season.

As for the younger Howard Brendan I saw him play three weeks ago in a three on three tourney in GFs he is only a fourth grader but is already well over 5 feet tall and pretty physical player. His team of Great falls guys beat Huse's second son (Drew) team from Bozeman in the championship. In talking to some folks from Bozeman Drew and Brendan played with Doug Hashley's 4th grade son and Gilham (Nebraska star) from Kalispell 4th grade son at the Spokane tourney. According to these people they just dominated the 4th grade division in Spokane and Bob Howard was coaching but Huse and Hashley were the very active assistants. Mslcat probably knows more on that since he has all the inside info on the cats. I do know that after watching this 4th grader play he has a lot of potential to be a very good player like his older brother which means we in Helena will haveto deal with him in the next 8 years in travel tournaments and high school games as well. And yes there are AAU and travel tournaments as young as 4th grade and they do play with kids that live in other cities. I would not be suprised to see little Howard start playing with Rotary out of Seattle at a much younger age then his older brother.

So in conclusion Sugar Bear you can get an offer before your senior year, you just cannot sign the letter until Nov. of your senior year. Also talk to some of the GF & Helena Griz supporters LK blew it he could have signed Bobby even before Huse got the offer from MSU. WT was already making that connection with the Howards.

Again Mcat nor anybody else has been able to prove that the NCAA rules say different than what I have stated. It's all there at www.ncaa.org It's common sense if they could offer non-seniors then why have the letter-of-intent signing be restricted to their senior year?

 

[PlayerRep]

You are beyond dumb.

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

You are beyond dumb.

Oh, what's wrong PR did you forget to take your midol? You've just shown everyone how ignorant you are. If you are too dumb to understand common sense or NCAA bylaws you have no one to blame but, yourself.

 

[PlayerRep]

Every poster has confirmed that offers can be made before a recruit's senior year. Articles describing offers prior to senior years have been linked.

No one has agreed with you, Sugar Bear. You're dead wrong. Yet you keep spewing your nonsense? Like I said, you never had much credibility on the board, but now you have none.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Michael Avery (15) - Commits to Kentucky after he's offered a scholarship while he's in the 8th grade.
Ryan Boatright (14) - Accepts a scholarship offer to play at USC when he's in 8th grade.
Dwayne Polee Jr. (14) - Offered scholarship to play at USC while in the 8th grade.

I'm sure there are many more out there.. This took all of 2 minutes to find searching on Google.

 

[UPWIMT]

This threads run it's course - if you want to continue the discussion - start a new one and knock off the crap.

Thanks!