Montana, Montana State- PAC 12 Conference

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Still got a woody for our LV coach, huh? He told me to say hello to you, when I met with him at Reds recently. You are a joke as a supposed big-shot supporter.

Who is the LV coach?

I talk to about 100 Griz fans a day. They all say you are a joke, a jerk and liar, and never played UM baseball. They also say you have many imaginary friends who supposedly tell you things about the Griz. Do you not realize what an idiot you are, when you make up stuff like this?

Am I the only person on here that thinks this is just the same person arguing with them self?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Who is the LV coach?

I talk to about 100 Griz fans a day. They all say you are a joke, a jerk and liar, and never played UM baseball. They also say you have many imaginary friends who supposedly tell you things about the Griz. Do you not realize what an idiot you are, when you make up stuff like this?

Am I the only person on here that thinks this is just the same person arguing with them self?

I just assumed it was a marital dispute.

 

[Spanky2]

The MWC could be the new old WAC.

Definitely a good point…..however I think many would agree that being in a conference with Nevada, Utah State, Wyoming, New Mexico, San Jose State, Hawaii (football only) with out of conference FBS opponents is an upgrade still from the current Big Sky.

I certainly agree! Having teams like Wyoming, Utah State play in our stadium would be wonderful, not to mention other FBS schools like Washington State we could schedule.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Definitely a good point…..however I think many would agree that being in a conference with Nevada, Utah State, Wyoming, New Mexico, San Jose State, Hawaii (football only) with out of conference FBS opponents is an upgrade still from the current Big Sky.

I certainly agree! Having teams like Wyoming, Utah State play in our stadium would be wonderful, not to mention other FBS schools like Washington State we could schedule.

The biggest questions is how would the finances work when the MWC TV deal ends with nothing but leftovers.

 

[citygriz]

Let's go to the Big 10. It seems everyone else is.

Okay, here's how it plays out.
The Arizona schools move to the Big 12.
Stanford, Cal, Oregon and Washington move to the Big 10 to resume their rivalries with USC and UCLA, and form a Western Division.
Washington State and Oregon State drop down to the Mountain West.
The Big Sky remains the same, pleasing most members of this board.
The only kink in this scenario? The Pac12 commissioner puts together a TV deal to keep the remaining members in place.
Probability? Almost zero.

 

[Spanky2]

Let's go to the Big 10. It seems everyone else is.

Okay, here's how it plays out.
The Arizona schools move to the Big 12.
Stanford, Cal, Oregon and Washington move to the Big 10 to resume their rivalries with USC and UCLA, and form a Western Division.
Washington State and Oregon State drop down to the Mountain West.
The Big Sky remains the same, pleasing most members of this board.
The only kink in this scenario? The Pac12 commissioner puts together a TV deal to keep the remaining members in place.
Probability? Almost zero.

You probably about have it.

 

[kemajic]

Okay, here's how it plays out.
The Arizona schools move to the Big 12.
Stanford, Cal, Oregon and Washington move to the Big 10 to resume their rivalries with USC and UCLA, and form a Western Division.
Washington State and Oregon State drop down to the Mountain West.
The Big Sky remains the same, pleasing most members of this board.
The only kink in this scenario? The Pac12 commissioner puts together a TV deal to keep the remaining members in place.
Probability? Almost zero.

You probably about have it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/stanford-coach-troy-taylor-fuels-acc-speculation/ar-AA1f1wO1?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=2c00d9e78d894ca9979bd97dd40b7f2a&ei=12

 

[Wolf777]

Or there is just the option where the mountain west expands to stave off the same issue the PAC12 ran into for their next TV contract. If everyone was speculating that these 4 would fall into the Mountain West, and there seemed to be no opposition to it from the conference, who’s to say they just couldn’t bring in 4 more teams.

“We saw how much the decision to not expand hurt the Pac-12. The ACC can't afford to sit on its hands and make the same mistake.“

 

[ordigger]

Who is the LV coach?

I talk to about 100 Griz fans a day. They all say you are a joke, a jerk and liar, and never played UM baseball. They also say you have many imaginary friends who supposedly tell you things about the Griz. Do you not realize what an idiot you are, when you make up stuff like this?

Am I the only person on here that thinks this is just the same person arguing with them self?

Probably, since one is growler and the other player rep. Common knowledge

 

[kemajic]

Or there is just the option where the mountain west expands to stave off the same issue the PAC12 ran into for their next TV contract. If everyone was speculating that these 4 would fall into the Mountain West, and there seemed to be no opposition to it from the conference, who’s to say they just couldn’t bring in 4 more teams.

“We saw how much the decision to not expand hurt the Pac-12. The ACC can't afford to sit on its hands and make the same mistake.“

The ACC is going to offer a lot more money.

 

[Pounder]

The Pac had contacted the ACC a year ago. I’m sure Stanford started that. Stanford will go very quickly to the B1G if asked. BTW, the news as of tonight is that the ACC gave Stanford & Cal a rather chilly reception, and that was probably to be expected, and I think Stanford knew that. I think Stanford whispers sweet nothings to Duke (and perhaps Wake Forest) about a backup plan they have.

The next step is to talk to the American. I don’t think the numbers work out for that, but there’s talk that half the current schools are interested. That could temporarily stave off the death of the Pac per se, but I doubt the networks increase the $6M per year payout the American currently guess. But I think Rice, SMU, and maybe Tulane also get whispers about Stanford’s backup plan. Think you can guess that this backup would be an FBS Ivy League. And since Notre Dame reportedly heavily went to bat for Stanford at the ACC presentation, one wonders if…

…eh, I’m pushing that a little hard.

Bottom line, Stanford is different. Cal pretty much is, too. These schools aren’t hurting for applicants in any event.

*****

When the MWC formed, they got $7M per school per year. Now it’s $4M. That story rings true across most of the G5. And while we know that the b12 backfilled with AAC schools, and we know James Madison made the move, then the verdict came in. Networks gave the big money to the B1G and SEC, they’ve now killed a P5, and this has done nothing to stem cord-cutting. The industry as a whole is hurting. The Pac, already damaged by the previous commissioner, whose mismanagement masked an unmanageable membership, thought they’d wait out a network dry spell, but CRASH. Meanwhile, the networks paid more to kill the Pac than to save it… they are cannibalizing college football. They basically told the b12 not to add more G5 schools (though their commissioner still used UConn and Gonzaga as threats to induce action from others). When only 2-3 conferences are getting paid to expand, don’t expect any interest in either Montana school, because nobody will pay for you to move. Maybe that changes in 3 years, but, eh, shrug.

 

[Wolf777]

Or there is just the option where the mountain west expands to stave off the same issue the PAC12 ran into for their next TV contract. If everyone was speculating that these 4 would fall into the Mountain West, and there seemed to be no opposition to it from the conference, who’s to say they just couldn’t bring in 4 more teams.

“We saw how much the decision to not expand hurt the Pac-12. The ACC can't afford to sit on its hands and make the same mistake.“

The ACC is going to offer a lot more money.

Exactly My point being that the Mountain West is not going to attract all 4 schools, likely 2 at the most, if they were to get a trickle down. However,

"Monday night, the Mountain West Board of Directors, comprised of our 12 presidents, met to reaffirm our collective commitment to the conference and its future. With the recent changes in membership composition in several conferences, the Mountain West is exploring all opportunities to strengthen the league, including through the addition of new member schools. Board of Directors chair president Garnett Stokes of the University of New Mexico and Commissioner Gloria Nevarez will be the voice of the conference and will lead the ongoing explorations of possibilities before presenting any to the board. We are strong in who we are and proud of the exceptional experience we provide the student-athletes of the Mountain West Conference," the conference said in a statement."

In the age of expansion, I would think those who want to find a way up would do it when all bets are off. Seems it's time to shit or get off the pot.

 

[grizzlyjournal]

The Pac had contacted the ACC a year ago. I’m sure Stanford started that. Stanford will go very quickly to the B1G if asked. BTW, the news as of tonight is that the ACC gave Stanford & Cal a rather chilly reception, and that was probably to be expected, and I think Stanford knew that. I think Stanford whispers sweet nothings to Duke (and perhaps Wake Forest) about a backup plan they have.

The next step is to talk to the American. I don’t think the numbers work out for that, but there’s talk that half the current schools are interested. That could temporarily stave off the death of the Pac per se, but I doubt the networks increase the $6M per year payout the American currently guess. But I think Rice, SMU, and maybe Tulane also get whispers about Stanford’s backup plan. Think you can guess that this backup would be an FBS Ivy League. And since Notre Dame reportedly heavily went to bat for Stanford at the ACC presentation, one wonders if…

…eh, I’m pushing that a little hard.

Bottom line, Stanford is different. Cal pretty much is, too. These schools aren’t hurting for applicants in any event.

*****

When the MWC formed, they got $7M per school per year. Now it’s $4M. That story rings true across most of the G5. And while we know that the b12 backfilled with AAC schools, and we know James Madison made the move, then the verdict came in. Networks gave the big money to the B1G and SEC, they’ve now killed a P5, and this has done nothing to stem cord-cutting. The industry as a whole is hurting. The Pac, already damaged by the previous commissioner, whose mismanagement masked an unmanageable membership, thought they’d wait out a network dry spell, but CRASH. Meanwhile, the networks paid more to kill the Pac than to save it… they are cannibalizing college football. They basically told the b12 not to add more G5 schools (though their commissioner still used UConn and Gonzaga as threats to induce action from others). When only 2-3 conferences are getting paid to expand, don’t expect any interest in either Montana school, because nobody will pay for you to move. Maybe that changes in 3 years, but, eh, shrug.

Good stuff here, Pounder. Thanks. In other words, we're closer to the beginning of the restructuring process than any kind of parity clarity. This will be fun to follow.

 

[citygriz]

The Pac had contacted the ACC a year ago. I’m sure Stanford started that. Stanford will go very quickly to the B1G if asked. BTW, the news as of tonight is that the ACC gave Stanford & Cal a rather chilly reception, and that was probably to be expected, and I think Stanford knew that. I think Stanford whispers sweet nothings to Duke (and perhaps Wake Forest) about a backup plan they have.

The next step is to talk to the American. I don’t think the numbers work out for that, but there’s talk that half the current schools are interested. That could temporarily stave off the death of the Pac per se, but I doubt the networks increase the $6M per year payout the American currently guess. But I think Rice, SMU, and maybe Tulane also get whispers about Stanford’s backup plan. Think you can guess that this backup would be an FBS Ivy League. And since Notre Dame reportedly heavily went to bat for Stanford at the ACC presentation, one wonders if…

…eh, I’m pushing that a little hard.

Bottom line, Stanford is different. Cal pretty much is, too. These schools aren’t hurting for applicants in any event.

*****

When the MWC formed, they got $7M per school per year. Now it’s $4M. That story rings true across most of the G5. And while we know that the b12 backfilled with AAC schools, and we know James Madison made the move, then the verdict came in. Networks gave the big money to the B1G and SEC, they’ve now killed a P5, and this has done nothing to stem cord-cutting. The industry as a whole is hurting. The Pac, already damaged by the previous commissioner, whose mismanagement masked an unmanageable membership, thought they’d wait out a network dry spell, but CRASH. Meanwhile, the networks paid more to kill the Pac than to save it… they are cannibalizing college football. They basically told the b12 not to add more G5 schools (though their commissioner still used UConn and Gonzaga as threats to induce action from others). When only 2-3 conferences are getting paid to expand, don’t expect any interest in either Montana school, because nobody will pay for you to move. Maybe that changes in 3 years, but, eh, shrug.

Good stuff here, Pounder. Thanks. In other words, we're closer to the beginning of the restructuring process than any kind of parity clarity. This will be fun to follow.

Agreed. Fun speculation, Pounder.

No way Cal and Stanford wind up in the Mountain West. If the MWC is smart, they add Washington State, Oregon State, Montana and Montana State to create two eight-team divisions. Montana is a much more fertile area for development than this Board concedes since we have two state universities in a growing market with no competition from other schools or from professional teams.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

So, as long as you're speculating on the powers that be and what happens to the western schools next week. The ACC needs 12 teams to agree to accept the bay area schools. Doubtful right now. The false pride and egos will not let them associate with the likes of Boise, Fresno, Hawaii, etc. The two land grant schools? They'd be naturals for both the AAC and MWC, but again, egos and hurt pride at being jilted.

Most plausible quick fix would be to add Davis, Poly, Idaho, the two Montana schools (but again, egos get in the way of common sense) and form an alliance with the MWC and WCC, keeping Gonzaga out of the Big XII.

Merely speculation. Strength in numbers appears to be working for the Power 4 at this juncture. Perhaps swipe SHSU as I recall it is second only to Rice as the most difficult school in Texas to gain acceptance into their undergraduate schools.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

A whole lotta dreamin' going on.

 

[citygriz]

A whole lotta dreamin' going on.

That's where it all starts.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

A whole lotta dreamin' going on.

That's where it all starts.

Dream away citay, but there is zero chance that UM ends up in the same conference as Wazzu.

 

[BrownBear9501]

Good stuff here, Pounder. Thanks. In other words, we're closer to the beginning of the restructuring process than any kind of parity clarity. This will be fun to follow.

Agreed. Fun speculation, Pounder.

No way Cal and Stanford wind up in the Mountain West. If the MWC is smart, they add Washington State, Oregon State, Montana and Montana State to create two eight-team divisions. Montana is a much more fertile area for development than this Board concedes since we have two state universities in a growing market with no competition from other schools or from professional teams.

Unfortunately in this scenario I think NM State and UTEP get the call before UM and MSPew, from what I have read.

 

[Spanky2]

That's where it all starts.

Dream away citay, but there is zero chance that UM ends up in the same conference as Wazzu.

Be positive! Private transition funding.