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oregongriz12

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chavo has been just getting a few minutes here and there. In my opinion chavo along with jordan hasquet are two of our more lethal weapons on the offensive end of the floor. Not only can he score inside and outside but also has great floor vision. I would like to see chavo on the floor atleast 18 minutes a night. I mean he's a crowd favorite for a reason. The stands never erupt more than when chavo hits the scorers table. How does everybody else feel about this?
 
oregongriz12 said:
chavo has been just getting a few minutes here and there. In my opinion chavo along with jordan hasquet are two of our more lethal weapons on the offensive end of the floor. Not only can he score inside and outside but also has great floor vision. I would like to see chavo on the floor atleast 18 minutes a night. I mean he's a crowd favorite for a reason. The stands never erupt more than when chavo hits the scorers table. How does everybody else feel about this?
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I agree Chavez should get more minutes, and he has been, but part of the reason he isn't getting even more is because he has gotten himself in foul trouble nearly every game. Mike might need to quit digging for the ball so much on D, which ends up with him getting a couple cheap fouls. He makes a lot of things happen on the offensive end and can create some mismatches.

He is a crowd favorite, no doubt about that. I like Mike and am glad to see the majority of Griz fans supported him through all his off the court issues, when others were throwing him under the bus. That being said, popularity should never dictate playing time. There have been years the crowd favorite was the 12th man who never played for a reason. It would be great to see Mike finish his Griz career making an impact on a BSC Tourney run.
 
Why isnt anyone suggesting we start Chavez and move Dlouhy to the 2 guard spot? If Dlouhy can't handle it put Mayes in there but lets get a real man - sized Divsion 1 backcourt with Rundles and Dlouhy and a bigger yet quick front line with Chavez. He can pound out a space on the weak side and Straight can feed him the damn ball on the baseline where he is quicker then most of the league. The BSC has figured out how to double Straight and Andrew does a great job of kicking it out. But if we dont hit our shots we get beat. Straight or Chavey will get 25 underneath and Hasquet will get his 25. I think Chavez fouls because he is pressured to come in and light the fire and has only seconds to perform , not a whole game.
Dhlouhy will hit his threes and will rebound the sht out of the ball from the 2 spot. Clear out for Matt and let him post his guy up if they man him with some quick 6'0 guard. We need a real backcourt and it starts with Chavez stepping into the starting lineup. I really think Chase was going to be the coache's man in there but it is clear to me he is too short and has no jumps for this league.
We have a Senior in Mike with the athletic ability and tenacity ,,,come on Tinks , use him.
Does this make sense to you technical basketball junkies?
 
Evizzerate said:
Why isnt anyone suggesting we start Chavez and move Dlouhy to the 2 guard spot? If Dlouhy can't handle it put Mayes in there but lets get a real man - sized Divsion 1 backcourt with Rundles and Dlouhy and a bigger yet quick front line with Chavez. He can pound out a space on the weak side and Straight can feed him the damn ball on the baseline where he is quicker then most of the league. The BSC has figured out how to double Straight and Andrew does a great job of kicking it out. But if we dont hit our shots we get beat. Straight or Chavey will get 25 underneath and Hasquet will get his 25. I think Chavez fouls because he is pressured to come in and light the fire and has only seconds to perform , not a whole game.
Dhlouhy will hit his threes and will rebound the sht out of the ball from the 2 spot. Clear out for Matt and let him post his guy up if they man him with some quick 6'0 guard. We need a real backcourt and it starts with Chavez stepping into the starting lineup. I really think Chase was going to be the coache's man in there but it is clear to me he is too short and has no jumps for this league.
We have a Senior in Mike with the athletic ability and tenacity ,,,come on Tinks , use him.
Does this make sense to you technical basketball junkies?
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Are you suggesting the coaches collectively have never thought of all the things that get tossed around on Egriz? Not being smart at all, but why don't you call the Coaches show and ask or suggest it? I am not saying they will do it, but Tinks has never been a guy who won't listen to people. :thumb:
 
I chuckle and appreciate your suggestion to call the coaches but I do know my real expertise is as a pee brain fanatic of B Ball responsible for coaching from the stands.
Doesnt it just drive you nuts Backer to see Ellis able to penetrate and then get hung up in the air with nowhere to go or afraid to shoot over the towers? What possible good does it do to go in there and then get stuffed like a fresh Hutterite Turkey on Thanksgivin day, every time?Give me a point or an off that can at least have the chance of driving in there and jam it in their face. Mayes can do it. Dhuly might be too slow.
 
Maybe the Coaches have decided to "stay the course" when a new plan might be the order of the day. The win over EW was a sweet victory but i did feel the apathy and acceptence of mediocrity in the crowd. At this point I say what difference does it make if we try something to make a change and end up in the BSC tourney with a .470 record or .500. It sucks to be average.
 
Evizzerate said:
I chuckle and appreciate your suggestion to call the coaches but I do know my real expertise is as a pee brain fanatic of B Ball responsible for coaching from the stands.
Doesnt it just drive you nuts Backer to see Ellis able to penetrate and then get hung up in the air with nowhere to go or afraid to shoot over the towers? What possible good does it do to go in there and then get stuffed like a fresh Hutterite Turkey on Thanksgivin day, every time?Give me a point or an off that can at least have the chance of driving in there and jam it in their face. Mayes can do it. Dhuly might be too slow.
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Let's face it, there have been good nights and bad from nearly everyone on the team. Ellis isn't starting in case you missed that. He is coming off the bench, yet leads the Griz in steals and assists. Ellis also has more turnovers which is normal if you handle the ball more than anyone else. Ellis is 5th in the BSC and first among non starters in assists. Ellis is 4th in the BSC overall in steals, and again, first among non starters. Ellis is 7th in assist to turnover ratio in the BSC and first for non starters. Montana leads the BSC in that category by the way. I think you could make a case he should start over Martin.

Rundles is a freshman and is going to run hot and cold as most freshmen do, Stuckey was an exception as we all know. Rundles is no Stuckey but will be an excellent player I believe.

Martin has been too inconsistent, but his play of late has improved.

Dlouhy finally is showing some semblance of last year when he played with intensity the entire game. He did not do that until recently and has shown he can contribute even when his shot is not falling, EWU was a perfect example.

Hasquet is the best player on the floor right now for the Griz. A lot of that is due to the double teams Strait draws, which opens things up for Jordo, but that is what team basketball is all about.

Mayes has been an enigma this season. He shows flashes of brilliance in some games and disapears in others. If you had seen hom play at Sac State for example you woul dwonder why he was on scholarship (most of the team played that way at Sac for the record) then he plays like he did against EWU and Stuckey in particular and he opens a lot of eyes.

People are frustrated with the substittion patterns of Tinks, yet when you never know from one game to the next what you can expect from a player, especially the veterans, then one can hardly blame Tinks for trying different combos, if he didn't people wuld criticize him for that, so he can't win, unless the Griz win. Tinks is no different than any other Griz BB Coach I have ever seen, they are second guessed by fans all the time, Heathcote included.
 
Evizzerate said:
Maybe the Coaches have decided to "stay the course" when a new plan might be the order of the day. The win over EW was a sweet victory but i did feel the apathy and acceptence of mediocrity in the crowd. At this point I say what difference does it make if we try something to make a change and end up in the BSC tourney with a .470 record or .500. It sucks to be average.
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If they were staying the course why would some guys who were not seeing minutes early be getting them now? If you really believe that you don't know Tinks very well. He may not throw stuff or glare as some coaches do, but he is not complacent.
 
I dont know Tinkle very well , but I love his style on the court and off and can sense the intensity. I also see the adjsutments in playing time snd think he's doing sa great job. I even liked how he sent Marso to do the post game show last weekend to do the interview. Gave his assistant some airtime and respect.
Back to my original question about Chavez starting, I am not second guessing or even thinking that the coaches dont have a grasp. I was posting the idea on a message board to see if other fans want to talk about the pros and cons. I cant imagine any coach having time to read this crap , let alone give it more then a passing thought.
 
Evizzerate said:
I dont know Tinkle very well , but I love his style on the court and off and can sense the intensity. I also see the adjsutments in playing time snd think he's doing sa great job. I even liked how he sent Marso to do the post game show last weekend to do the interview. Gave his assistant some airtime and respect.
Back to my original question about Chavez starting, I am not second guessing or even thinking that the coaches dont have a grasp. I was posting the idea on a message board to see if other fans want to talk about the pros and cons. I cant imagine any coach having time to read this crap , let alone give it more then a passing thought.
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I wouldn't be opposed if Tinks did start him, but the great thing about Mike is his willingness to accept his role coming off the bench. He has been one of the more consistent players. Really his only downside is his propensity to get quick fouls. One thing that also didn't help his situation as far as cracking the starting lineup was Tinkle knew he was going to be ruled academically ineligible and have to do intersession to get his grades up. There was no guranteee that was going to succeed either so I don't blame Tinks for not hitching his wagon to Chavez so to speak. Many good coaches have said "it is not imprtant who starts a game, it is important who finishes". I agree with that whihc bodes well for Mike in that Tinks usueally has him in there at crunch time more often than not.
 
GrizFan10 said:
Chavez sometimes gets fouls, or early fouls, but not always. I think he gets fouls because he's being told by the coaches to play better defense. He also seems to attract foul calls, as others have said. I first noticed this last year. Don't know why this would occur, or if it's just his style of movement that seems to attract the attention of refs. I agree that Chavez would probably play more if he had fewer fouls. I agree that I'd like to see him with more playing time. He's a good scorer, a very good passer, a very good rebounder, a hustler and often makes things happen. I also just told one of the coaches that the message board thinks he should get more playing time. He laughed, and then said Mike had been playing well.
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You don't really go tell coaches what the message boards are saying do you GF10? :werd:
 
The few times I have seen Dlouhy at the 2, he was not very productive. He actually seems more at home at the 4. I think the three is easily his best position. Mayes seems comfortable at the 2 or 3. When he is in, the guy he guards should prepare himself for frustration.
 
GrizFan10 said:
GB1, I got a call from the coach when I was just starting to make my post. He made the mistake of asking me what I was up to, so I told him. He got a good laugh.
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Heh, when i was working as student manager for a very brief time, he told me to stop posting on eGriz. He's definitely a good guy though, got a wave from him before the PSU game. He'll have a ton of talent to work w/ in his sophomore season. Cam as a soph, Jordo as a JR, Drew as SR, martin as a JR, plus selvig coming in. should be great...but i'm not giving up on him this season. Finally saw him get a T in the PSU game so he's starting to get a little more fired up, game by game. Saw a little LK in him at the end of the EWU game, jumping up and down waving his arms, trying to get the crowd into it.
 
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