Mick Delaney is returning to coach the Griz in 2013

[BWahlberg]

While it's easy to pile on I can't help but look back at the end of the 2010 season. At that point Pflu was the worst coach ever, Breske was in over his head, Smith didn't know a thing, O'Day couldn't make good hires, and the cupboard was bare.

Sounds just like I'm hearing now.

We all know what happened on the field in 2011.

However I'm not sure that can be repeated, things could get worse, FAR worse, however I just don't think the sky is falling... maybe I'm crazy.

 

[Rhinehart LAT#35]

Anyone that doesn't think we'd get good quality HC candidates because of the NCAA investigation is flat out kidding themselves.

Bullspit. Those people are right on the mark. I hear alot of sour-grape type talk here from what I would consider to be very spoiled so called "fans". This program has survived numerous coaching changes the past 17 years amazingly. This year we lose the AD, head coach, OC, DC, starting QB, and another position coach or two, not to mention a record number of seniors from the 2011 team. I was prepared to suffer what I would consider "growing pains" with this team this year, just as we did in '92 with Don Read. We went 1-5 to open up that season. I heard alot of similar talk as I see on this board right now, although it wasn't on a computer forum like this. We won the last 5 games that season to finish 6-5, but many so called "fans" were calling for the man's head at that time as well. Very few people in their right mind, at least of the quality that we are longing for, would throw their name into the hat at this time with the uncertainty that hangs over the program.

Just IMO

 

[Grizfans1]

Someone help me understand how this is a good thing. If MD is the long term answer then give him a long term contract. If he isn't then find the next coach who is, sanctions be damned. If we go 5-6 next year then search (haha) for a new coach, how long before his recruits are ready? How will MD recruit? "Don't worry son I'll be here for your redshirt season". Oh well this could be worse....I could be a cat fan.

 

[RobGriz]

While it's easy to pile on I can't help but look back at the end of the 2010 season. At that point Pflu was the worst coach ever, Breske was in over his head, Smith didn't know a thing, O'Day couldn't make good hires, and the cupboard was bare.

Sounds just like I'm hearing now.

We all know what happened on the field in 2011.

However I'm not sure that can be repeated, things could get worse, FAR worse, however I just don't think the sky is falling... maybe I'm crazy.

I hope you're right Brint. But I don't have a warm fuzzy about this.

 

[RobGriz]

Anyone that doesn't think we'd get good quality HC candidates because of the NCAA investigation is flat out kidding themselves.

Bullspit. Those people are right on the mark. I hear alot of sour-grape type talk here from what I would consider to be very spoiled so called "fans". This program has survived numerous coaching changes the past 17 years amazingly. This year we lose the AD, head coach, OC, DC, starting QB, and another position coach or two, not to mention a record number of seniors from the 2011 team. I was prepared to suffer what I would consider "growing pains" with this team this year, just as we did in '92 with Don Read. We went 1-5 to open up that season. I heard alot of similar talk as I see on this board right now, although it wasn't on a computer forum like this. We won the last 5 games that season to finish 6-5, but many so called "fans" were calling for the man's head at that time as well. Very few people in their right mind, at least of the quality that we are longing for, would throw their name into the hat at this time with the uncertainty that hangs over the program.

Just IMO

Oh, I see. In order to be a "fan" I have to say "everything is awesome" even when it isn't and I am not allowed to point out obvious mistakes and flaws. Makes sense. :roll:

 

[tgriz]

BS. This is the right move for the program moving forward. Having Delaney here another year will allow us to conduct a nationwide search and make better long term descisons for the program. If he decided to suddenly resign or was fired, we would have to make a quicker hire or have another interim coach for several months, which is a very difficult position. We are rebuilding and you can't just fire and hire people every year and expect to build a long term winning program. Coaching changes are hard on programs. Our fans have been so damned spoiled and want instant results, which we've been lucky enough to experience with our past changes, but is just not realistic.

Crap. Like we haven't heard this all before whenever we fall short on expectations...

You guys can keep complaining and build up animosity towards a guy you don't know and make negative statements on crap you don't understand. What our program needs is support and positive support. That makes a difference in the attitude of the program, recruiting, and overall success. The man deserves your respect and needs your support.

Very good post. Agreed. Of course, Delaney is coming back. He should. Of course, I suppose he could later decide to do something else, but UM isn't going to force him out and pay him a bundle of money.

Yeah, he should. If you liked what you saw this year and you think that was worthy of another year of finishing in the bottom third, then hell yes he should. But, if you don't like mediocrity and you think this year we wasted allot of talent because of incompetence in coaching, then hell no he shouldn't.

 

[George Ferguson]

Brint, you're not crazy, the dude who said the stadium will be half empty in 5 years is.

 

[Rhinehart LAT#35]

Anyone that doesn't think we'd get good quality HC candidates because of the NCAA investigation is flat out kidding themselves.

Bullspit. Those people are right on the mark. I hear alot of sour-grape type talk here from what I would consider to be very spoiled so called "fans". This program has survived numerous coaching changes the past 17 years amazingly. This year we lose the AD, head coach, OC, DC, starting QB, and another position coach or two, not to mention a record number of seniors from the 2011 team. I was prepared to suffer what I would consider "growing pains" with this team this year, just as we did in '92 with Don Read. We went 1-5 to open up that season. I heard alot of similar talk as I see on this board right now, although it wasn't on a computer forum like this. We won the last 5 games that season to finish 6-5, but many so called "fans" were calling for the man's head at that time as well. Very few people in their right mind, at least of the quality that we are longing for, would throw their name into the hat at this time with the uncertainty that hangs over the program.

Just IMO

Oh, I see. In order to be a "fan" I have to say "everything is awesome" even when it isn't and I am not allowed to point out obvious mistakes and flaws. Makes sense. :roll:

Must have hit a nerve or a trigger point.

 

[RobGriz]

Anyone that doesn't think we'd get good quality HC candidates because of the NCAA investigation is flat out kidding themselves.

Bullspit. Those people are right on the mark. I hear alot of sour-grape type talk here from what I would consider to be very spoiled so called "fans". This program has survived numerous coaching changes the past 17 years amazingly. This year we lose the AD, head coach, OC, DC, starting QB, and another position coach or two, not to mention a record number of seniors from the 2011 team. I was prepared to suffer what I would consider "growing pains" with this team this year, just as we did in '92 with Don Read. We went 1-5 to open up that season. I heard alot of similar talk as I see on this board right now, although it wasn't on a computer forum like this. We won the last 5 games that season to finish 6-5, but many so called "fans" were calling for the man's head at that time as well. Very few people in their right mind, at least of the quality that we are longing for, would throw their name into the hat at this time with the uncertainty that hangs over the program.

Just IMO

Oh, I see. In order to be a "fan" I have to say "everything is awesome" even when it isn't and I am not allowed to point out obvious mistakes and flaws. Makes sense. :roll:

Must have hit a nerve or a trigger point.

The trigger was the amount of "-" in one post. I bet you do that with your hands too, huh?

 

[indian-outlaw]

BS. This is the right move for the program moving forward. Having Delaney here another year will allow us to conduct a nationwide search and make better long term descisons for the program. If he decided to suddenly resign or was fired, we would have to make a quicker hire or have another interim coach for several months, which is a very difficult position. We are rebuilding and you can't just fire and hire people every year and expect to build a long term winning program. Coaching changes are hard on programs. Our fans have been so damned spoiled and want instant results, which we've been lucky enough to experience with our past changes, but is just not realistic.

Crap. Like we haven't heard this all before whenever we fall short on expectations...

You guys can keep complaining and build up animosity towards a guy you don't know and make negative statements on crap you don't understand. What our program needs is support and positive support. That makes a difference in the attitude of the program, recruiting, and overall success. The man deserves your respect and needs your support.

This is essentially how I see it as well. Yea, we could run Mick off right now and get a bunch of candidates in here, make a hire, hold a press conference, pat each other on the back and convince ourselves that we will be NC contenders next year. Everyone would have suger plums dacin' in their head until next year. But, in order to truly get the best candidates to apply we need to have these NCAA investigations behind us. They could have held off a couple months to see how the investigations play out. If we get a slap on the wrist we could show coach Mick the door then. That is not exactly a classy move to a coach that helped us out in a bind and that is not how we should run our program. Give coach Mick your respect and support. We will do fine next year and if not we will truly get the best candidate with this investigation behind us. It's the best thing for the griz program for the long run and definitly the classiest and that's what I want the griz to be about anyway.

 

[BWahlberg]

Brint, you're not crazy, the dude who said the stadium will be half empty in 5 years is.

:thumb:

Whew, good to hear!

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

BS. This is the right move for the program moving forward. Having Delaney here another year will allow us to conduct a nationwide search and make better long term descisons for the program. If he decided to suddenly resign or was fired, we would have to make a quicker hire or have another interim coach for several months, which is a very difficult position. We are rebuilding and you can't just fire and hire people every year and expect to build a long term winning program. Coaching changes are hard on programs. Our fans have been so damned spoiled and want instant results, which we've been lucky enough to experience with our past changes, but is just not realistic.

Crap. Like we haven't heard this all before whenever we fall short on expectations...

You guys can keep complaining and build up animosity towards a guy you don't know and make negative statements on crap you don't understand. What our program needs is support and positive support. That makes a difference in the attitude of the program, recruiting, and overall success. The man deserves your respect and needs your support.

Sorry to disagree Highlinegriz,
You are wrong on all (almost) counts. This is not BS. This is the perfect time to conduct a national search. Adding a year does nothing to the timing of the search, now is the time. There is no need to make a quick hire, there is plenty of time to find a quality person who can and will lead this program. You are right, however, that coaching changes are difficult in terms of maintaining a winning program for a number of perfectly valid reasons. We are not spoiled, we do not want instant results. I want, and I'm sure plenty of other members of Griz Nation agree, I want a coach that will inspire young men to become successful in life's endeavors, that will teach the game of football while teaching the game of life, that will beat the hell out of the cats year in year out. There are plenty of coaches out there that would give their left nut to take the keys to the Cadillac and be a leader on and off the field. I'm not making negative statements about crap I dont understand, I've been a Griz faithful since my freshman year 30 years ago. I shit and piss and bleed maroon and silver - I remember pissing the old Griz colors - so dont try to sell me that load of malarky.

Here is your second correct call - The attitude of the program is intact, the recruiting is intact, the overall success is intact. There are others arguing that the cupboard is empty or full when it comes to the next generation of Griz. Its full. This team was young, that was understood by any Griz faithful before fall camp even opened. Now is the time to make the change while those key elements are intact. MD has my respect for stepping into a crappy situation and working his ass off when he should have been fishing and enjoying life's rewards, I berated fans in the NEZ speaking on MD's behalf this year. But now is the time for egos to step aside and its time for MD to look to the future of the program. I'm not calling for a wholesale change in coaching, I've said this before and will say it again. Back to your statement about recruiting, which I agree with, Scott and Justin are the absolute best recruiters we could hope for. Other teams are dealing with playoffs and now Scott and Justin can go sit in living rooms and work their magic. Its been a real problem for us in the past and now is the time to strike hard. The same is true with the coaching search. Now is the time.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Bullspit. Those people are right on the mark. I hear alot of sour-grape type talk here from what I would consider to be very spoiled so called "fans". This program has survived numerous coaching changes the past 17 years amazingly. This year we lose the AD, head coach, OC, DC, starting QB, and another position coach or two, not to mention a record number of seniors from the 2011 team. I was prepared to suffer what I would consider "growing pains" with this team this year, just as we did in '92 with Don Read. We went 1-5 to open up that season. I heard alot of similar talk as I see on this board right now, although it wasn't on a computer forum like this. We won the last 5 games that season to finish 6-5, but many so called "fans" were calling for the man's head at that time as well. Very few people in their right mind, at least of the quality that we are longing for, would throw their name into the hat at this time with the uncertainty that hangs over the program.

Just IMO

You are right, we have survived many coaching changes as well as many very good players graduating, and losing entire coaching staffs. The thing is, the Griz always seem to survive that and do well. The excuse of losing so many seniors may sound good but we've lost a lot of seniors on other teams before.

For example, the 2007 team has 22 seniors (2011 had 23, so just one more).

What did we do in 2008? We went 14-2 and went to the NC game.

Now I agree that losing a ton of seniors hurts, as does losing the coach, having a new OC and DC, and new QB... but shit we've dealt with big changes here in the past and still had a playoff team that other teams didn't want to play against. Even in 2005 when we had (statistically) a couple very iffy QBs in a transfer (JW) and freshman (CB) we still ended up as a playoff team.

This year we still had a ton of talent on the team (remember the old saying, the Griz don't rebuild, we reload?) and somehow we didn't even seem to improve offensively throughout the year. If anything we seemed to go backwards.... some of the numbers may not show that since we played much weaker opponents later in the season (minus MSU of course). I think that's one the big complaints that people have about this staff.
Where were the improvements?
Where were the adjustments?
What is going to be different about next year?

Anyway this is all moot point anyway, since Delaney does have a 2 year contract, is not going to retire, and is not going to be fired. I just hope that we see significant improvement next year, or we could be looking at a really rough season. We have @UND, Cal Poly, App State, EWU, @NAU, @MSU and @SAC next year. Not exactly a cupcake laden schedule.

 

[GrizRanger]

^^^f*** THIS^^^

If going 5-6 for the first time in three decades wasn't bad enough, now we get watch D-minus and the clown crew do it all over again...

good job f***[*] up UM football Royce :thumb:

.............D-minus is returning..............
**************Cat fans REJOICE****************
****The BigSky just creamed its panties****

...........Pflugrad just opened up a large can of SUCK IT BITCHES

What a train wreck.

Sadly you have the future of this program under Engstrom pegged correctly. Griz will be mired in mediocrity for years, or at least until fans have the sense to demand changes. That is not likely to happen so Griz fans better get used to more seasons like this one.

 

[Uncle Si]

Potomac....Engstrom and Haslam were both insiders when hired. Odds are they will hire an insider when the time comes. Oh, they will probably say they are doing a national search, but I would bet the farm it will be a back room decision and another insider will be hired.

If the staff doesn't get fired mid-season next year (which will never happen); I bet the next head coaches name starts with an R and ends with a H. This University will always look for the cheapest in-house fix.........It should be noted that I hope they hire someone with little or no ties to the U of M. We need a new coach who can make his own brand.

You're going to have to help me out :?:

He is referring to Timm Rosenbach.

Rosenbach should go back to selling insurance.

 

[Uncle Si]

Anyone that doesn't think we'd get good quality HC candidates because of the NCAA investigation is flat out kidding themselves.

Bullspit. Those people are right on the mark. I hear alot of sour-grape type talk here from what I would consider to be very spoiled so called "fans". This program has survived numerous coaching changes the past 17 years amazingly. This year we lose the AD, head coach, OC, DC, starting QB, and another position coach or two, not to mention a record number of seniors from the 2011 team. I was prepared to suffer what I would consider "growing pains" with this team this year, just as we did in '92 with Don Read. We went 1-5 to open up that season. I heard alot of similar talk as I see on this board right now, although it wasn't on a computer forum like this. We won the last 5 games that season to finish 6-5, but many so called "fans" were calling for the man's head at that time as well. Very few people in their right mind, at least of the quality that we are longing for, would throw their name into the hat at this time with the uncertainty that hangs over the program.

Just IMO

Oh, I see. In order to be a "fan" I have to say "everything is awesome" even when it isn't and I am not allowed to point out obvious mistakes and flaws. Makes sense. :roll:

That's right Rob. If you just stick your head in the sand and enjoy as the program goes down the shitter then you're a good fan. If your opinion is different you are obviously spoiled, a bad fan, a bandwagon fan, etc etc. mamba out

 

[Griz2k]

Anyone that doesn't think we'd get good quality HC candidates because of the NCAA investigation is flat out kidding themselves.

Bullspit. Those people are right on the mark. I hear alot of sour-grape type talk here from what I would consider to be very spoiled so called "fans". This program has survived numerous coaching changes the past 17 years amazingly. This year we lose the AD, head coach, OC, DC, starting QB, and another position coach or two, not to mention a record number of seniors from the 2011 team. I was prepared to suffer what I would consider "growing pains" with this team this year, just as we did in '92 with Don Read. We went 1-5 to open up that season. I heard alot of similar talk as I see on this board right now, although it wasn't on a computer forum like this. We won the last 5 games that season to finish 6-5, but many so called "fans" were calling for the man's head at that time as well. Very few people in their right mind, at least of the quality that we are longing for, would throw their name into the hat at this time with the uncertainty that hangs over the program.

Just IMO

So what about my statement was false?

 

[Grizzaholic]

We are going to be a mediocre team with a half empty stadium in 5 years

:lol: :lol: :lol: No way Jose...we return everyone on our starting defense besides Josh Harris who will likely be replaced by Tyrone Holmes (true freshman this year) who had the most sacks in a game by anyone in the Big Sky Conference with 4. The secondary will be better next year (they can't get much worse than this year). As bad as people think our offense was this year, we were only 30 yards shy from leading the conference in total offensive yards. Griz football hit 20+ year low this season but we will see bluer skies next year with this very talented team.

 

[mcg]

Would anybody describe the 2012 Griz as 'well coached'?

 

[B_Kross]

At the very least, talent wise, I think the team has the chance to do well in spite of the coaching.

That said, as Brint stated, this is very much like the aftermath of 2010, down to the "[Insert name here] is ruining the Griz!/The Griz glory days are over if we don't get rid of [Insert name here]!" doomsday talk. And then 2011 came, and the rest is history.

2013 may not turn out to be a repeat of that, mind you, but it is something to keep in perspective.