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Men Griz Lose a Player
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BelierPeaux
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That's a shame but in line with what many were thinking on this site. Too bad his playing time just didn't materialize.
mtgrizrule
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I am not surprised. I started to guess this would happen come conference play when every guard, but Cherry was struggling. Everyone was given chances but him and there was plenty of game opportunities to build him gradually. The way he was handled so out of character for Tinkle. I had a feeling something was wrong.
Simply a guess, I think Autry and Tinkle talked it over around the new year. Autry thought things over and decided it would be best to be closer to home. Tinkle respected it, but it likely cost Autry ample opportunity to build his game. If that is the case, I understand it completely.
I have a feeling there might one more unexpected exodus. Not sure who though. Doubt it will be any of our bigs or main rotation players though.
Good luck Vaughn.
Simply a guess, I think Autry and Tinkle talked it over around the new year. Autry thought things over and decided it would be best to be closer to home. Tinkle respected it, but it likely cost Autry ample opportunity to build his game. If that is the case, I understand it completely.
I have a feeling there might one more unexpected exodus. Not sure who though. Doubt it will be any of our bigs or main rotation players though.
Good luck Vaughn.
WSUnPurple
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Interesting, I know Utah State pulled their offer to Autry when they got a commit from James Walker both from LA, both 6'2 SG, both rated a 92 by ESPN, and both are leaving their programs after their Freshman year after struggling to garner any sort of real playing time, why? They both said to be closer to home...
Maynardsgametrail
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Damn, what a bummer. He just needed more time. I have said it before, but I still believe that VA should have red shirted this year. Correct me if I am wrong, but its up to a player to make the red shirt or not decision right? I wish VA would have saw the writing on the wall that he was not ready for D1 basketball, and could have greatly benefited from a year of learning the ropes/speed of the game.
I went to all but one home game, and 1 road game this season, and from what I saw VA was kind of a turnover machine. He just wasn't ready. Some true frosh (from recent memory) who were ready, and it was obvious, were Cherry,Strait. VA just didn't have that obvious "wow" factor. IMO Billy Reader (before he got hurt) made more of an impression on me because the guy is fearless and aggressive under the hoop (very similar to Strait when he was a true frosh). VA was just too tentative.
Although VA did show signs of promise, I just don't see what several of you (posters) were so in love with. I think everyone was so in love with the fact that Utah St had offered him. Hell, I was IN LOVE with Vanderjact because tool bag news anchor Jeremy Jorgenson said that the UNC Tarheels were the other team interested in him......nuff said.
With the Addition of Jordan Gregory, and whoever this rumored transfer is, I think that VA just saw that the future didn't look to bright for him.
Best of luck to VA. Wish him well.
I went to all but one home game, and 1 road game this season, and from what I saw VA was kind of a turnover machine. He just wasn't ready. Some true frosh (from recent memory) who were ready, and it was obvious, were Cherry,Strait. VA just didn't have that obvious "wow" factor. IMO Billy Reader (before he got hurt) made more of an impression on me because the guy is fearless and aggressive under the hoop (very similar to Strait when he was a true frosh). VA was just too tentative.
Although VA did show signs of promise, I just don't see what several of you (posters) were so in love with. I think everyone was so in love with the fact that Utah St had offered him. Hell, I was IN LOVE with Vanderjact because tool bag news anchor Jeremy Jorgenson said that the UNC Tarheels were the other team interested in him......nuff said.
With the Addition of Jordan Gregory, and whoever this rumored transfer is, I think that VA just saw that the future didn't look to bright for him.
Best of luck to VA. Wish him well.
Well somebody had to go. I figured the handwriting was on the wall when Cherry went down and VA barely played in the next game at NAU, a game where you just need lots of bodies because of the altitude. I appreciated Vaugn's attitude, he seemed to be a cheerleader on the bench, but he looked like he was playing scared most of the time when he got on the court.
Good luck to him in the future.
Good luck to him in the future.
Grizbacker1
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Tinkle will replace him with a much better player, not a doubt in my mind. Autry was soft, and soft doesn't cut it, especially at the position he was playing. Wish him well wherever he goes.
Good luck to Autry.
Smart kid. Hard worker.
Talented player. Nice family/relatives.
I wish them well in the future, and
will be cheering for them.
I think they will succeed wherever
life takes them from here. :thumb:
Talented player. Nice family/relatives.
I wish them well in the future, and
will be cheering for them.
I think they will succeed wherever
life takes them from here. :thumb:
Maynardsgametrail
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GrizWhiz said:"turnover machine" :roll: Vaughn had seven turnovers all year. Are you sure you knew which player Autry was?Maynardsgametrail said:Good luck Vaughn! :thumb:
Damn GW! Relax, and quit lashing out :lol:. I liked the future for VA, but this year he was not good with the ball due to inexperience of D1 (hence lack of minutes especially in meaningful games). IMO, Just about every time he touched the ball I felt like it could turn into a TO (similar to Chase Adams). Alright, so according to the stat sheet he only had 7 turnovers. How many minutes did he actually play. I can guarantee his minutes were very minimal, so IMO 7 turnovers is quite high. I read your posts (and I usually agree with your perspective regarding griz basketball) and it appears that we were at the same amount of games........Did you actually pay attention to VA's game? I assume you did, but I guess our opinions of VA's game differ. I guess that is what makes this board so interesting.
Once again, I wish the best of luck to VA.
Potomac Griz
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Actually Autry had the lowest turnover per minute played of all of our guards. 7 turnovers in 158 minutes played. That's 1.77 turnovers per 40 minutes.
He also had the best 2nd best assist/turnover ratio (behind Cherry) and the 2nd best steals per minute played (behind Cherry).
I do agree he was pretty tentative on offense, but he was very good defensively for a true freshman. I wish he would've decided to stick around...and had redshirted last year. I think he'll turn into a pretty good guard wherever he ends up.
He also had the best 2nd best assist/turnover ratio (behind Cherry) and the 2nd best steals per minute played (behind Cherry).
I do agree he was pretty tentative on offense, but he was very good defensively for a true freshman. I wish he would've decided to stick around...and had redshirted last year. I think he'll turn into a pretty good guard wherever he ends up.
Maynardsgametrail
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Dexter X said:
Interesting perspective Dexter, thanks for taking the time to crunch the #'s. I did root for VA and I will continue to root for him wherever he chooses to go. The kid just wasn't ready this year. I wish he would have stuck around too.
Mslacat
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I was told that the coaches wanted to redshirt him this year but he refused the redshirt. A coach can not make a player redshirt, but a player can not make a coach to play him either.
I thought Autry had the skills to be a very good guard at the Big Sky level, but he needed seasoning. He made some poor choices on the court at time and did not seem to fully understand what the coaches wanted him to do. A redshirt year for the Griz this year would have helped him imensly.
One final note, I don't think the signing of Henderson or Gregory effected his decision one bit. There was no way he was intimidated by two incoming freshman, that is just not in his DNA.
I thought Autry had the skills to be a very good guard at the Big Sky level, but he needed seasoning. He made some poor choices on the court at time and did not seem to fully understand what the coaches wanted him to do. A redshirt year for the Griz this year would have helped him imensly.
One final note, I don't think the signing of Henderson or Gregory effected his decision one bit. There was no way he was intimidated by two incoming freshman, that is just not in his DNA.
Grizbacker1
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Dexter X said:
If you consider the minutes he played and the situations, he really should have had less TO's....YOu can make stats say what you want, but most of his minutes were not when the outcome of the game was really in doubt. Nice try, doesn't change the fact VA was soft.
GrizWhiz
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The "fact" that he was soft :lol: . I think you mean opinion. I saw every game last season and do not share that opinion. However, he was not consistently effective either and I agree that a redshirt year would have been preferable. It doesn't matter now though. Given the signing of Deshields, I have to believe more info will soon be coming regarding who else is leaving.Grizbacker1 said:
Potomac Griz
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Grizbacker1 said:
Sure Autry was pretty tentative offensively, and could have really used a redshirt year. He sure didn't play "soft" on defense though in any of the games that I saw (all of the home games and most of the road games).
You say that "most of his minutes were not when the outcome of the game was really in doubt"? Really?
Just quickly ran through the play by play of the games he played significant minutes in starting with the USF game. I'd say a lot of these games he had playing time when the outcome definitely was still in doubt. Nice try though
The actual play by play doesn't lie... Here are some of the games he played in.. These account for 118 minutes of his 158 minutes. I'd say most of these were still in doubt when he got playing time...
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@USF - Played late in the 2nd half when the Griz were down by a few points. Also played in Overtime. 8 Minutes total. Scored 3 points, and had an assist.
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@CSF - Played a good chunk of the first half. His first stat in the play by play was at about the 12 minute mark when the Griz were down by 12. Griz led by 11 at halftime. Played 10 minutes total and had a couple of rebounds.
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Web - First game in with about 9:30 to go in the first half, and the Griz up by 5. Played the rest of the half. Griz led by 11 at halftime. Came back in late in the 2nd half with the Grzi up by 21 and finished the game. Played 11 minutes, had 3 points, and an assist.
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@Sac - Came in with 13 mins to go in the 1st half and the Griz down by 2. Subbed out with 6:39 to go in the first half and the Griz up by 4. Came back in with 1:30 to go in the first half and the game tied up. Finished the half (Griz led by 1 at half). Subbed in with 14:21 to go in the 2nd half with the Griz up by 6. Subbed out with 8:20 to go in the 2nd half and the Griz up by 12. Came back in for the last 46 seconds of the game. Played 13 minutes, had 5 points, 2 rebounds, an assist and a steal.
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EWU - Came in with 13:42 to go in the first half and the Griz up by 3. Subbed out with 3:33 to go in the first half and Griz up by 8. Subbed back in with about 2 mins to go in the 2nd half and finished the game. Played 15 minutes, had 6 points, 1 steal, 1 assist, and 1 turnover.
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PSU - Subbed in with 11 mins to go in the first half, and Portland State up by 2. Subbed out with 5 mins to go in the 1st half and PSU up by 2. Came back in with 4 mins to go in the 2nd half and the Griz up by 9 when Cherry got his 4th foul. Came out just a minute later. Played 6 minutes, had 3 points, a rebound an an assist.
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@Web - Subbed in with 9:33 to go in the first half and the Griz down by 6. Played the rest of the half (Griz were down by 14 at halftime). Subbed in with 14:05 to go in the 2nd half and the Griz down by 14. Played the rest of the half. Griz lost by 16. Played 24 minutes, had 10 points, 1 rebound, 1 assit and 3 turnovers.
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@NAU - Subbed in with 13:49 to go in the first half and the Griz down by 6. Subbed out with 7:38 to go in the first half and Griz down by 10. Came back in with 12:51 to go in the 2nd half with the Griz down by 11. Subbed out with 10:47 to go in the 2nd half and Griz down by 18. Played 8 minutes, and did not score.
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Sac - Came in with 15 mins to go in the first half and the Griz up by 5. Subbed out with 9:58 to go and the Griz up by 7. Subbed back in with a minute to go in the first half and the Griz up by 10. Griz led by 10 at halftime. Subbed in for the last 1:30 of the game with the Griz up by 21. Played 7 minutes, had 2 assists and 3 rebounds.
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@LBST - Subbed in with 13:59 to go in the 2nd half and the Griz down by 10. Subbed out with 7:17 to go and the Griz down by 8. Subbed back in with 2 mins to go and the Griz down by 18. Played the rest of the game. Griz lost by 18. Played 9 minutes, had 2 assists and a steal.
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Duq - Subbed in with about 14 mins to go in the first half and Duq up by 2. Subbed out with 11 to go in the 1st half and Duq up by 12 (lotsa turnovers in that period of time. Autry had 0). Subbed back in with 1:21 to go in the first half with the Griz down by 16. Finished the half (griz were down by 14 at halftime). Subbed in with 14 mins to go in the 2nd half and the Griz down by 12. Subbed out with 11:42 to go (eye got poked out) with 11:42 to go in the game and Griz down by 10. Played 6 minutes, had 1 rebound, 1 assist and 1 steal.
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mtgrizrule
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I admit, I too was, and still am sold on Autry as a player. I thought he was solid in the minutes he got as a freshman. I would not be surprised if he had a very high +/- rating, if we tracked it like the NBA does. I absolutely love that stat, and feel it is a good measuring stick to go by.
I have a feeling Autry will do well wherever he decides to go.
On the bright side, I am stoked to see our new guards we have coming in.
I have a feeling Autry will do well wherever he decides to go.
On the bright side, I am stoked to see our new guards we have coming in.
