McKinney and Johnson side-by-side stats thru 3 games

[kemajic]

I enjoyed reading the comparisons. I didn't read it at all to compare where TM is today and what may have been if JJ were our QB. The point is, we are in the same place this season as we were last season and their stats are similar. What remains to be seen is if TM makes the huge step forward that JJ did. If he does we will certainly have much more success. If he cannot make the improvement then I think we will struggle as the season goes forward and teams load the box against our run.

Yes, and we will be in the same place after 4 games as last season only if we lose to NAU. I don't think we will; I expect both the offense and defense to take some of the wraps off and play more aggressively. We will need to keep Bauman from beating us.

 

[brootgrizr]

Not knocking TM, I think he will be a good one, but wasn't JJ gimping around with his ankle taped up at the start of the season?

 

[stubbins]

Had he played, I think JJ would have shredded ASU's secondary...and we would have won that game!

Don't know if he would have shredded ASU's secondary, but agree that we probably would have won the game.

JJ on this team makes it the number one team in the country....and it wouldn't be close. Teams would have to score 45 points to beat us.

TM will get there(hopefully), but he isn't even close to what JJ is. Also, did JJ have this good of a running attack to open up the defense? Did JJ have the benefit of the team having 2 full years of running this offense? This thing didn't start cracking till half way through the year. The o-line has kept it up, but the passing attack has regressed.

It obviously isn't TM's fault that he's been thrown into the fire, but he has been...so he better get to dancin'.

He missed some wide open crossing routes on saturday in the first quarter. No need to talk about the deep ball until it gets close to being effective.

 

[GrizSpartan]

Nice job, Brint! You bring so much to this board. Thanks----you give us something to think about!

 

[Grizo406]

IF^ ---- IF Yo Dave Dickenson was playing in our last three games we would have won them 55-----7 +++

For some reason I can't understand why we don't have him still playing ^*^*^*^*^*?????

Whiners and Complainers. This must be the championship round! If you are men and have a wife or two, they must be miserable!

We have Freshman Trent McKinney playing our QB position. Period.

Yes he will get better.....Duhhh!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Period...Duh...Hello!

 

[zirge]

I don't really disagree with you, but I also didn't see the receivers getting that wide open.

bingo

app state and liberty have great cover artist.

 

[Htowngriz]

Had he played, I think JJ would have shredded ASU's secondary...and we would have won that game!

Don't know if he would have shredded ASU's secondary, but agree that we probably would have won the game.

JJ on this team makes it the number one team in the country....

What a crock of shit. :roll:

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I don't really disagree with you, but I also didn't see the receivers getting that wide open.

That's because you are old and moldy. Not a slam on you, it's an inside joke.

You must not be including the ASU game because McKinney missed two WIDE OPEN recievers streaking downfield that would have made game ending outcome difference catches if McKinney would have thrown to them.

Ellis Henderson on one play had his man beat by 2 yards up the sideline deep and instead underthrew to a different deep decently covered WR.

And the biggie, there wasn't anyone within about 10 yards of Sam Gratton at the ASU 18 yard line on the final play of the game. He would have gotten to the eight, and gotten out of bounds with eighteen seconds remaining, which would have given the Griz up to three chances at the endzone from the eight! I don't blame McKinney for going for the taller Saylor in the endzone instead, but he underthrew it to an All American DB for the DBs 2nd INT of the game...all while Gratton went totally uncoverd in the redzone near the sideline. Watch the tape, it will make you sick. Hindsight is 20/20...

 

[CV Griz Fan]

TM is the best we've got.

One thing I think I've figured out is that nobody is more interested in playing the best player than the coaches. Their livelihood and professional reputation depend on it. They see the players practice each day and carefully track their effectiveness. If there was a better quarterback than TM on the roster, there is no doubt in my mind he'd be in the game.

The odd part of this debate is that the real question that might be asked is why there seems to be a lack of depth at the quarterback position?

I don't know if TM is the best quarterback on Montana or not but this is about the about the most "out of touch" comment a fan can make " nobody is more interested in playing the best players than the coaches". What if the coaches can't evaluate talent? Sports history is full of great players that "shined" once they got their chance. In most cases the original coach was "asleep at the wheel". Mick Delany was retired. He got a two year contract so his "livelihood is fine. At his age, I don't think he gives "two sheets" about his professional reputation. Here is a very short list of athletes that coaches "missed" on at some point_

Kurt Warner
Lou Gehrig
Marshal Faulk( No college would recruit him as a RB other than SDSU)
Johnny Unitas
Jim Plunkett
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers( No D1 offer out of HS)

To play the "coaches always know best" card is just silly.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I don't really disagree with you, but I also didn't see the receivers getting that wide open.

That's because you are old and moldy. Not a slam on you, it's an inside joke.

You must not be including the ASU game because McKinney missed two WIDE OPEN recievers streaking downfield that would have made game ending outcome difference catches if McKinney would have thrown to them.

Ellis Henderson on one play had his man beat by 2 yards up the sideline deep and instead underthrew to a different deep decently covered WR.

And the biggie, there wasn't anyone within about 10 yards of Sam Gratton at the ASU 18 yard line on the final play of the game. He would have gotten to the eight, and gotten out of bounds with eighteen seconds remaining, which would have given the Griz up to three chances at the endzone from the eight! I don't blame McKinney for going for the taller Saylor in the endzone instead, but he underthrew it to an All American DB for the DBs 2nd INT of the game...all while Gratton went totally uncoverd in the redzone near the sideline. Watch the tape, it will make you sick. Hindsight is 20/20...

Dont waste your time they wont get it....they just see what the are told to see.

You are 100% correct though.

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[behappp]

I don't have any doubts that if JJ was playing this year we would be 3-0. That is based on how JJ played at the end of the year, which is how we all remember him.

My dream is that TM develops as JJ did and takes us to the semis or further this year, JJ is acquitted fully of all charges, returns to the team next year, and the coaches have to figure out who to start.

Now that will make for some good discussions on egriz.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I don't really disagree with you, but I also didn't see the receivers getting that wide open.

That's because you are old and moldy. Not a slam on you, it's an inside joke.

You must not be including the ASU game because McKinney missed two WIDE OPEN recievers streaking downfield that would have made game ending outcome difference catches if McKinney would have thrown to them.

Ellis Henderson on one play had his man beat by 2 yards up the sideline deep and instead underthrew to a different deep decently covered WR.

And the biggie, there wasn't anyone within about 10 yards of Sam Gratton at the ASU 18 yard line on the final play of the game. He would have gotten to the eight, and gotten out of bounds with eighteen seconds remaining, which would have given the Griz up to three chances at the endzone from the eight! I don't blame McKinney for going for the taller Saylor in the endzone instead, but he underthrew it to an All American DB for the DBs 2nd INT of the game...all while Gratton went totally uncoverd in the redzone near the sideline. Watch the tape, it will make you sick. Hindsight is 20/20...

Dont waste your time they wont get it....they just see what the are told to see.

You are 100% correct though.

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Thanks ALPHAGRIZ1.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I don't have any doubts that if JJ was playing this year we would be 3-0. That is based on how JJ played at the end of the year, which is how we all remember him.

My dream is that TM develops as JJ did and takes us to the semis or further this year, JJ is acquitted fully of all charges, returns to the team next year, and the coaches have to figure out who to start.

Now that will make for some good discussions on egriz.

We share the same dream. :thumb:

And that will definitly create some MONSTER CONVERSATION :!:

 

[grizindabox]

I have pretty good stats from my first 3 games in the neighborhood flag football league. Maybe they could put me in the running for backup. I can not run anymore with a bum knee and can not throw more than a couple passes per day due to a bad elbow....but my stats are pretty impressive.

 

[Raider]

I have pretty good stats from my first 3 games in the neighborhood flag football league. Maybe they could put me in the running for backup. I can not run anymore with a bum knee and can not throw more than a couple passes per day due to a bad elbow....but my stats are pretty impressive.

Equally as relevant, though I am sure PR will tell us what we are missing. :?

 

[TheBud]

Excellent point/question. The U should not be in that position, regardless of the JJ situation.

The incredibly strange "The U" discussion went here:

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=58905

:roll: is what I think of that subject.

Back to McKinney and Johnson...

 

[griz4life]

Personally I think the future is bright for Trent, however he's got to improve the mid/deep passing. A rather intangible thing to compare was the throws being made, JJ was making all of the mid/deep throws from the start while Trent has not been asked to do it that often. OC's are different, playcalling is different.

I don't know for sure if Trent will just keep getting better like JJ did, I hope he does, I think looking at these stats it could suggest that if he does keep working to improve he could be playing at a real high level come Nov/Dec.

By the looks of it, Trent's deep passing game will only improve if his fellow freshmen at wr start getting open, making adjustments on the fly, etc., which isn't happening now. I think if you looked at who's been on the other end of Trent's incompletions so far, it hasn't been upperclassmen.

 

[mcg]

TM is the best we've got.

One thing I think I've figured out is that nobody is more interested in playing the best player than the coaches. Their livelihood and professional reputation depend on it. They see the players practice each day and carefully track their effectiveness. If there was a better quarterback than TM on the roster, there is no doubt in my mind he'd be in the game.

The odd part of this debate is that the real question that might be asked is why there seems to be a lack of depth at the quarterback position?

I don't know if TM is the best quarterback on Montana or not but this is about the about the most "out of touch" comment a fan can make " nobody is more interested in playing the best players than the coaches". What if the coaches can't evaluate talent? Sports history is full of great players that "shined" once they got their chance. In most cases the original coach was "asleep at the wheel". Mick Delany was retired. He got a two year contract so his "livelihood is fine. At his age, I don't think he gives "two sheets" about his professional reputation. Here is a very short list of athletes that coaches "missed" on at some point_

Kurt Warner
Lou Gehrig
Marshal Faulk( No college would recruit him as a RB other than SDSU)
Johnny Unitas
Jim Plunkett
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers( No D1 offer out of HS)

To play the "coaches always know best" card is just silly.

Point well taken, you forgot Michael Jordan and Chase Reynolds. The number of examples of coaching error we can cite is pretty small compared to the hundred's of thousands of players who've played since Wally Pipp was pushed aside.

My point is that nobody has more motivation and more information to make the right the decision. It would seem to me that the coaches are more likely to get it right than those of us lurking on the internet.

 

[G&B]

JJ is a better QB. McKinney will not be as good as JJ was at the end of the year. The kid can't throw the ball Kemp 2.0. I hope he proves me wrong.