George Ferguson
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umgriz good catch..2012-14 obviously! :lol:
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McKinney and Johnson side-by-side stats thru 3 games
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havgrizfan said:
I agree with your primary point. Doesn't really matter what we think, does it? However, I did appreciate Brint's post, as I appreciate most of his posts. It was well informed, interesting, and sparked some football related discussion rather than BS trash talk. Besides the posters your refer to have nothing and can't support their opinions, as shown in technicolor in this thread. I doubt Brint intended any harm to JJ, and it gave me hope that we're headed in the right direction. Keep up your contributions Brint. Thanks Havgriz for keeping things in perspective.
Through the first three games of 2011/2012 Trumaine Johnson and Nate Harris have the same number of interceptions. That is about the relevance of this comparison.
I am behind TM 100%, but he isn’t a shadow of JJ. The Griz would be 3-0 right now (by a considerable margin) with Jordan Johnson at the helm.
I am behind TM 100%, but he isn’t a shadow of JJ. The Griz would be 3-0 right now (by a considerable margin) with Jordan Johnson at the helm.
grizcountry420
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PlayerRep said:
If the ball was actually thrown to the receiver it would be easier for them to catch it.. I think TM will be fine but he needs to place the ball better so the receivers can make a playl. :twocents:
TM is the best we've got.
One thing I think I've figured out is that nobody is more interested in playing the best player than the coaches. Their livelihood and professional reputation depend on it. They see the players practice each day and carefully track their effectiveness. If there was a better quarterback than TM on the roster, there is no doubt in my mind he'd be in the game.
The odd part of this debate is that the real question that might be asked is why there seems to be a lack of depth at the quarterback position?
One thing I think I've figured out is that nobody is more interested in playing the best player than the coaches. Their livelihood and professional reputation depend on it. They see the players practice each day and carefully track their effectiveness. If there was a better quarterback than TM on the roster, there is no doubt in my mind he'd be in the game.
The odd part of this debate is that the real question that might be asked is why there seems to be a lack of depth at the quarterback position?
grizcountry420
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'68griz said:
Right. The only one i see out there getting seperation is Henderson and we need to use our TE's more but thats a different story..
Grizmayor
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And if we lose to EWU, he'll still start for the next five weeks when we could throw you out there and still win. It ain't about the regular season, it's about the playoffs for us... when the team-talent levels off and we face top defenses and coaches. It bit us in the ass at SHSU... it'll bite us in the ass again. PS: I thought Selle, Roper and Bergquist were pretty good quarterbacks. Selle seemed to be lost with the Nu-Pflu offense and lost some accuracy, plus the line couldn't pass-block a sneeze for Selle or Roper (or run block for Chase). I'm assuming well all know Roper's problem was attitude... but then again, if I was getting pounded on 3/4 quarters of all my passing attempts, I'd be a little surley as well.havgrizfan said:
I enjoyed reading the comparisons. I didn't read it at all to compare where TM is today and what may have been if JJ were our QB. The point is, we are in the same place this season as we were last season and their stats are similar. What remains to be seen is if TM makes the huge step forward that JJ did. If he does we will certainly have much more success. If he cannot make the improvement then I think we will struggle as the season goes forward and teams load the box against our run.
Raider said:
Well consider the circumstance, coming out of spring ball our depth chart went like this:
#1 Jordan Johnson
#2a Gerald Kemp
#2b Nate Montana
#3 Shay Smithwick-Hann
#4 Trent McKinney
Then JJ is suspended, Nate transfers, Kemp converts to WR and then is suspended by the NCAA.
I mean... the UM did have depth, it's just that it lost it through the summer.
grizcountry420 said:
The better question, for downfield passes, would be when hasn't TM thrown the ball to the receiver. The crossing route in the south endzone was a poorly thrown ball in the last game.
In the last game, a pass was not caught in the endzone. The receiver jumped high and had two hands on the ball. He was in traffic, but that ball was catchable. In the first game, Saylor didn't make a catch on a fairly well-thrown ball in the north endzone. In the App St game, while 3 or 4 downfield balls could or should have been thrown slight deeper, the receiver should have made better plays on the ball. The App St d-backs certainly made good plays. This is not to criticize the receivers, but I'm sure the coaches have told them they need to make better plays on the ball.
TM in first 3 games: averaging 10.27 yards per completion. JJ in first 3 games last year: 9.09 per completion (ended up at 11.7 for the year).
TM in first 3 games: has longer passes of 87 and 68 in the App St game, 18 and 17 in the SD game, and 14 in Liberty game.
JJ in first 3 games last year: passes of 80 and 32 in Tenn game, 58 and 29 in the CP game, and 11 in the EWU game.
TM in first 3 games: has longer passes of 87 and 68 in the App St game, 18 and 17 in the SD game, and 14 in Liberty game.
JJ in first 3 games last year: passes of 80 and 32 in Tenn game, 58 and 29 in the CP game, and 11 in the EWU game.
HighLineGRIZ
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TM is our best option right now but he has a long ways to go in improvement. He needs to progress through his reads better and work on his mechanics. If he improved his footwork he would be able to throw the ball better down field. So many of his throws are from his back foot or stepping sideways as he throws.
I think he'll have some copetition from Gustafson next spring. His running ability adds another dynamic to the offense that the opposing D has to account for, but he also makes it easy for defenders as he stares down his recievers and misses out on opportunities with his 2nd and 3rd recievers.
I like the kid and his poise. The biggest similarity he has with JJ is that he is a young QB with little experience. He'll get better and will make more plays. He just needs to keep working hard and improving.
I think he'll have some copetition from Gustafson next spring. His running ability adds another dynamic to the offense that the opposing D has to account for, but he also makes it easy for defenders as he stares down his recievers and misses out on opportunities with his 2nd and 3rd recievers.
I like the kid and his poise. The biggest similarity he has with JJ is that he is a young QB with little experience. He'll get better and will make more plays. He just needs to keep working hard and improving.
IF^ ---- IF Yo Dave Dickenson was playing in our last three games we would have won them 55-----7 +++
For some reason I can't understand why we don't have him still playing ^*^*^*^*^*?????
Whiners and Complainers. This must be the championship round! If you are men and have a wife or two, they must be miserable!
We have Freshman Trent McKinney playing our QB position. Period.
Yes he will get better.....Duhhh!
For some reason I can't understand why we don't have him still playing ^*^*^*^*^*?????
Whiners and Complainers. This must be the championship round! If you are men and have a wife or two, they must be miserable!
We have Freshman Trent McKinney playing our QB position. Period.
Yes he will get better.....Duhhh!