billings_poke
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AZGrizFan said::lol:billings_poke said:
Yep. They're exactly alike. Mac ought to be fired for his mishandling of the situation.(that's for WaGriz4life).
not even any charges filed on them yet...
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McElwain's player problems
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not even any charges filed on them yet...
billings_poke said:AZGrizFan said::lol:billings_poke said:
Yep. They're exactly alike. Mac ought to be fired for his mishandling of the situation.
not even any charges filed on them yet...
Sounds like another case of witch hunt, trial-by-media, tried and convicted in the court of public opinion by the all-powerful interwebs again.
mtgrizrule
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Grizzoola said:
No shit, I can only read EGRIZ at work. I get home to post on the UNLV Hauck posts,and now cannot find them. Then again, I only go to non football/basketball forums, maybe 1 or 2 times a week.
When I read the posts on Hauck, and UNLV players not getting in trouble, I had to laugh, when thought of EGRIZ, and GRIZNATION. Have to admit, it is much easier to keep things quiet when a program does not have insane fans looking at online jail rosters. :thumb:
ilovethecats said:i was in vegas for march madness and had dinner with some family friends who live there so i am making an educated guess based on that. there isn't a single program in the nation that doesn't have kids doing stupid crap from time to time. the biggest issue with um right now is there seems to be more of these situations than anyone would like, and there are conflicting reports about whether or not they were all handled correctly. the other HUGE issue is it's the state of montana. you are a griz...or a cat. we have no other big schools to compete with. they may as well be professional teams the way we treat them and support them. so when a "celeb" like a football player decides to piss downtown....it gets reported.
unlv is just the opposite. unless someone does something just terrible....or just amazing (like winning games) they won't be in the news. you really think all of the stuff that um and even msu have been in the news for and we make a big deal would have even been reported in unlv? like when our incoming freshman were egging house and snuck in the mayors house?i just don't see that being reported in unlv.
to be clear, i'm not saying bobby is running a shady program and it's just not being reported. i'm saying the things that are "news" here in montana are rarely news anywhere else.....rape, murder, felonies etc. not included.
You're full of crap! i lived in 'Vegas for ten years and have followed UNLV for years! That program is under and will always be under scrutiny for years! The NCAA has a personal vendetta against Jerry Tarkanian and anything that has to do with the program-no matter what the sport. This shit's been going on everywhere for years, but it's all about arrogance of an organization that isn't regulated-the NCAA ("NATIONAL COMMUNISTS AGAINST ATHLETICS"). Certain programs are targeted, but you don't see Notre Dame, Kentucky, or North Carolina dealing with the shit! Give Bobby a break! Don't be an ass!
mtgrizrule
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I would take it over Wyoming and Utah State, though. I actually think it has a little hope there. The problem is, UNLV needs to give that coach bare minimum of 5 years to have it headed the right way. UNLV has so much working against it, and time is not a given in NCAA D1 football any longer, anywhere.
Grizzoola said:
You're the one that injected Hauck into this thread, genius. Don't be pissed at me because everyone is beating you over the head now.
mtgrizrule said:
You would take UNLV over Wyoming and Utah State because.... they have winning traditions, loyal fanbases, and people that actually know their programs exist? Yeah, UNLV is def the better deal. UNLV has given their last 3 coaches a minimum of 4 years, none of them have won.
mtgrizrule
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I for one, liked the Hauck twist, especially this time of year. Besides, it is possible, if we wait until season's end to hire a new coach, Hauck might be available again. Egriz would definitely be interesting again for however long it takes after the season is over.
The again, would we be able to stomach that kind of egriz insanity. Let the insanity begin, well until this post gets moved.
The again, would we be able to stomach that kind of egriz insanity. Let the insanity begin, well until this post gets moved.
I might move it now just to spite you. :thumb:
mtgrizrule
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You are right MrT, about UNLV. We are on the same page as for how they need to go about building that program. I do believe, it has a higher ceiling than either Utah State, and Wyoming. I guess it depends on what a coach is looking for.
As for spiting me, it is all in good fun, here. Got to admit though, if Hauck were to be considered again, how interesting EGRIZ would get?
As for spiting me, it is all in good fun, here. Got to admit though, if Hauck were to be considered again, how interesting EGRIZ would get?
ilovethecats
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Rockygriz said:ilovethecats said:i was in vegas for march madness and had dinner with some family friends who live there so i am making an educated guess based on that. there isn't a single program in the nation that doesn't have kids doing stupid crap from time to time. the biggest issue with um right now is there seems to be more of these situations than anyone would like, and there are conflicting reports about whether or not they were all handled correctly. the other HUGE issue is it's the state of montana. you are a griz...or a cat. we have no other big schools to compete with. they may as well be professional teams the way we treat them and support them. so when a "celeb" like a football player decides to piss downtown....it gets reported.
unlv is just the opposite. unless someone does something just terrible....or just amazing (like winning games) they won't be in the news. you really think all of the stuff that um and even msu have been in the news for and we make a big deal would have even been reported in unlv? like when our incoming freshman were egging house and snuck in the mayors house?
to be clear, i'm not saying bobby is running a shady program and it's just not being reported. i'm saying the things that are "news" here in montana are rarely news anywhere else.....rape, murder, felonies etc. not included.
You're full of crap! i lived in 'Vegas for ten years and have followed UNLV for years! That program is under and will always be under scrutiny for years! The NCAA has a personal vendetta against Jerry Tarkanian and anything that has to do with the program-no matter what the sport. This shit's been going on everywhere for years, but it's all about arrogance of an organization that isn't regulated-the NCAA ("NATIONAL COMMUNISTS AGAINST ATHLETICS"). Certain programs are targeted, but you don't see Notre Dame, Kentucky, or North Carolina dealing with the shit! Give Bobby a break! Don't be an ass!
ummm..... :?
so what are you trying to say? what did i say that was wrong? and what did i say to be an ass?
please and thanks. :thumb:
mtgrizrule said:
Just to be thorough, how does it have a higher ceiling? No one in Vegas will care about UNLV football unless the basketball team is wiped from the face of the planet. They've only existed since the 60s. Their only rival is wiping the floor with them right now in almost every way. They play in an off-campus stadium no where near the campus (which is already a commuter school), and no money to improve the situation.
MrTitleist said:
You didn't get it: The thread is about off-field player problems, not on-field player problems (W/L records). I brought Hauck into this as a means of comparison to McElwain's problems and the fact that many eGrizzers, here castigate Hauck for being a corrupt coach.
I'm just pointing to a fact that possibly because of the new direction UNLV wanted to take, BH had it from the top of UNLV's unequivocal position, plus maybe BH himself reformed, if indeed there was a reformation in him to be made. As already posted, UNLV has been under the NCAA's microscope because not only of the Tarkanian years, but also college football in the town that is the sports betting capital of the U.S.
Lots of issues, there. I also believe Engstrom, the Penn State board, and now the Arkansas pres. are clamping down on off-field player/coach issues. It's a long-delayed policy in college football. It's about time, even if past time. I believe this will be the rule for some time to come re: college football, to the chagrine of the big donors, who as much as anyone have muddied the waters re: player/coach misconduct off-field. (See the other thread about donations going south.)
I do not believe McElwain should be fired, if that is even a question. But, those alleged offending players could well have their football careers ended, SUMMARILY. It's past time for college presidents, the REAL leaders of their football programs, to seize the reins of those programs and end this gray area of football player/coach misconduct. It's up to the presidents, not the big donors, who should be hired/fired in college football.
Finally, not only is Engstrom constrained by legal considerations, but by MT state personnel procedures as to confidentiality. Most of us tend to forget that. It's as much for protection of the employees involved as the protection of the institution from litigation.
I know I've wandered all over the place with this post, but these matters get so intertwined, it's hard to separate them into separate threads.
GrizMusician
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AllWeatherFan said:
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