McCay and Lynch scholarships gone

[GrizWhiz]

undeez- Frankly, Virgil is a better ball player than Brian. He defends better, handles the ball better, passes better, drives better and scores better. I think he had the highest shooting % on the team. Brian had the worst. I had a hard time understanding why he didn't play more prior to Brian's injury. When he started playing more, the GRIZ took off! Brian's scholarship was awarded when Chavez's was withdrawn. It may very well have been a one year deal. I go to every home game and watch every road game that is shown on TV. My opinion is based on what I saw this year.

 

[Montana Gym Rat]

So you're telling me that if these players aren't on scholarship next year, it's because they didn't want to be...Not because Krysko didn't think they should be. Am I correct in my accusation?

Yes, to an extent. If they went into the coach and said something to the effect of: I really enjoy the program here, I like playing for you, I need that scholarship to continue my education, I promise I will give you everything I can if you just let me keep that scholarship; then that would have been good enough for the coaches.

But in Chris' case he's going to be done with school and his proneness to injury has got to frustrate him. His motivation to play basketball for a scholarship has taken a big hit.

In Brian's case, he began considering a transfer to an NAIA program during his freshman walk-on year. When you have a brother who benefitted from transferring, its hard to argue with the logic. With the recruits coming in and the emergence of Virgil's late play, Lynch had to be wondering if it was worth staying at Montana next year. I know that he considered transferring and I'm sure the coaches talked to him about this. Yes, maybe the staff gave him a nudge to transfer, but they did not take away his scholarship against Brian's will. If Brian would have gone in and made the stand to the coaches like I described above, he would still be on scholarship at the UofM. He has interest in transferring and to say that the coaches forced him to transfer is ridiculous. It's as much his decision as it was the coach's.

 

[Montana Gym Rat]

It is one thing to plan on leaving but there is another to have your scholarship taken.

Just because a coach meets with you, doesn't mean it is alright to take your scholarship. The question for you gym rat, is it alright to pulll schollies?

No, I don't think that a promised scholarship should be pulled. But instead of blaming the coaches, maybe the athletic director should be blamed. When there aren't coaching contracts and you have three new coaches in four years, that's going to put coaches and players in tough situations. Look at Van Vliet with Fresno State. He had the chance to back out of his scholarship when a new coach came in, so why shouldn't it be the other way around? Coach K did not promise McKay's scholarship. And he gave Lynch's scholarship as a one year type of thing. At the beginning of the year he even said that he will be evaluating the scholarships on a case-by-case basis to determine who should be getting them.

There are different circumstances for every scholarship and both Chris and Brian had personal reasons why they did not want to be at Montana next year. Maybe the coaching staff nudged them towards the way that works for the program, but they did not do it against the wills of either player. The way I interpret the situations based on the information from both sides, these scholarships were not pulled in the way that is being implied.

 

[milehighgriz]

Gym Rat, although your theory is very rosy, your version is wrong. Krysko can oviously do no wrong in your eyes.

The bottomline: Top programs do not pull scholarships!!!!

 

[Grizbacker1]

I should have read your other posts before ever responding, hell, you arent worth the time

 

[Montana Gym Rat]

Gym Rat, although your theory is very rosy, your version is wrong. Krysko can oviously do no wrong in your eyes.

The bottomline: Top programs do not pull scholarships!!!!

#1) Prove it tough guy.

#2) I have ripped Krysko numerous times on this board newbie.

 

[awannabe]

Rat Man.....you are obviously an extremely misinformed individual. I guarantee that my source of info. regarding Lynch is much more reliable than yours, and let's just say that you are TOTALLLY off base in your thinking. You need to take a break from the board, clear your head and get accurate "scoop" before jacking your jaws. Frankly, you just think you have way too much inside scoop.....and you don't!!!! This has been the case the entire year!!! Why don't you just go ask Lynch or at least have your brother talk to him. Then we'll all get the real story..

 

[monthoops]

So you're telling me that if these players aren't on scholarship next year, it's because they didn't want to be...Not because Krysko didn't think they should be. Am I correct in my accusation?

Yes, to an extent. If they went into the coach and said something to the effect of: I really enjoy the program here, I like playing for you, I need that scholarship to continue my education, I promise I will give you everything I can if you just let me keep that scholarship; then that would have been good enough for the coaches.

You haven't a clue. Take the previous poster's advice and take a break from the board. The idea that Lynch didn't want his scholarship bad enough is ascenine. Krystko had his scholarship pulled in his head a long time ago.

 

[umdeez]

It is difficult to comprehend why someone wants to attack Krysko for doing his job. The last time I checked these coaches were on 1 year contracts, with no guarantee of anything, except win and we will reward you with one more year, and likely no raise.

Maybe most of you naysayers are self employed or independently wealthy, so you don't have to perform up to the standards established by your employer.

How soon we forget the guys that lost jobs, including Joe Glenn, Mick Dennehey, Don Holst, Wayne Hogan to name a few. Agree or disagree all you want on whether it was right or wrong, but the bottom line is a decision was made to let them go. I am not going to get into whether or not I liked some of them, whether or not I thought the firing was appropriate. The point is sometimes people make decisions based on things other than popularity contests. Krysko doesn't just conduct a Poll and let the readers decide. He is paid to make tough choices and I doubt he does that lightly.

We can debate it all we want. I think Krysko has the program headed in the right direction. When he gets the Griz program going the way we all want it to, it will be amazing how many people think he is a genius all of a sudden.

At least give the guy as much time as Kennedy and Holst had before nailing him to the cross.

Last time I checked Joe Glenn left for a better paying D-1A job w/ more exposure. I dont know though, maybe w/ all the insight you seem to have you can help me out w/ that. Stick to the football board. Oh and gym rat, I have to agree w/ the previous posts regarding you losing your mind. Do your self a favor and head to Colstrip for the weekend, jump on an Arabian horse and take a ride to clear your head.

 

[Hamilton Grizzly]

Do I agree with pulling scholarships, no. It is absolutely hell for the kids that get them pulled, their heads fill up with a lot of different emotions. Doubt, anger, sadness, it's a rough ordeal and I don't think that any kid is the same player if he tries to stay in the same program after getting it pulled.
But there is a reason that Krysco is doing this...he needs better players. So on one hand I don't think it's entirely right to pull the schollies, but if we want to see a even more successful Griz team it has to be done.

My heart goes out to Lynch and McCay, two very good guys that have worked their asses off for the Grizzlies. I hope they both can move on and have very good careers at another program.

 

[Grizbacker1]

well UMDEEZ,

You asked to be enlightened so here it goes. Joe Glenn previously worked under Larry Donovan at the U of Mt . When Donovan was fired so was the rest of the staff in spite of how much people loved Joe Glenn. He was the same charismatic guy way back then.

My whole point is coaches get fired that maybe shoukldn't have been, players lose scholarships sometimes, but the good ones dust themselves off and mcve on, many end up in better places because of it.

oe Glenn hasn't done too shabby. Former Griz players have gone to different programs and excelled. Seems as though we have benefitted from D1 dropdowns in football.

Lets take these things in context. leave out the emotions. It isn't like we are sending these kids to Iraq is it??

 

[Montana Gym Rat]

Rat Man.....you are obviously an extremely misinformed individual. I guarantee that my source of info. regarding Lynch is much more reliable than yours

I never stated I had a source, I'm just commenting and stating some thoughts on the subject.

And since you haven't actually posted what info your source has yet, I don't know where your attack comes from. I haven't second guessed any info posted on the board. So far all that has been said is that Lynch and McKay will not be getting scholarships. After that its been conjecture and discussion since.

I think it's fair to say that most of the people upset about Brian's situation probably are akin to him in some manner and its also likely that this is where the sources are coming from (or close to it).

and let's just say that you are TOTALLLY off base in your thinking.

I am guessing nobody here has actually talked to any of the coaches about what happened in the situation and I refuse to conclude on what happened until both sides of the story are presented. Until one of the coaches says, "We pulled Lynchie's scholarship out from under him," I don't think its fair to assess the situation the way it has been.

I liken this to when your kid gets in trouble at school. He's going to present it to you so that you take his side, but you can't conclude what exactly happened until you get the other side of the story.

You need to take a break from the board, clear your head and get accurate "scoop" before jacking your jaws.

Hey, all I'm doing is trying to present an alternate point of view here. It's a discussion board, right? If you think my POV is out of line, then present some fact or info that indicates otherwise. Until then, the discussion continues, but don't attack my stance just because you don't agree with it.

Frankly, you just think you have way too much inside scoop.....and you don't!!!! This has been the case the entire year!!!

If that's how you feel then how come you didn't register and post anything until now??? I'm sorry that's how you react to my posting habits. If you can give me some examples of where I was out of line, I'll try to curb them in the future.

 

[Montana Gym Rat]

By the way...

How come nobody is defending Chris McKay or both players at the same time? It seems all the beef comes from the Brian Lynch camp. That's really what is making me wonder how much of an issue there actually is.

 

[Montana Gym Rat]

I would think that most kids, and parents, in this postion would be miffed, no matter how this was communicated. However, it's really less about the scholarship and more about what the coach thinks the kids chances of playing are, as well as how this is communicated. I would guess that coaches, like most bosses, think they communicate better than the employee or player thinks they do.

I think you are exactly right Grizzle. The coach's story is going to sound like he was a saint when breaking the news, but I'm sure that wasn't the case either.

 

[copper&gold]

This is my first post on Egriz, however I have been regularly viewing the post since December, about the time Sweetwyne was denegrating K. Davis and the University of Montana's academic record. I grew up in Missoula, left for awhile and recently returned, so I thought it better not to post until I refamiliarized myself with Griz hoops. I would like to narrate personal experiences I have had which relate to 1.) McKay and Lynch's scholarships and 2.) coach "Klassless"

-Sorry about the background info, here is what I'd like to say.

I have a slight acquaintance with several people associated with Griz hoops and as it happens I was sitting at a dining table in January or early February with several Griz basketball players. This happened to be the same day McKay was told his scholarship would be rescinded. Mckay told the group of players something to the effect of, "Coach isn't giving me my scholarship next year because of persistent injury problems." McKay also said that he "understood" coach K's reasoning, but was simultaneously disappointed. The other player's at the table also seemed upset for McKay.
By this interaction it appeared Mckay wanted to stay for his senior year. If coach K. rescinded the scholarship because he knew McKay was wouldn't leave only a few credits short of graduating, or simply made a basketball decision is up for speculation. But he lied to the Tribune in March when he said he wasn't sure about McKay's situation.

I have nothing of interest to post regarding Brian Lynch but would like to give all egrizzers a near verbatim transcript of an interaction coach K. had with Thierry before the Portland St. trip. Three sources, all present at the exchange verified its accuracy.
This took place before practice earlier in the week before leaving for Portland, with many people watching or within earshot.

Coach K: Hey Nick-you going to have alot of family at the Game?
Thierry: I think my parents and a few friends.
Coach K: Well how are you going to get there because we can't take you.

Needless to say, Thierry and anyone who heard the exchange were baffled by its tone and purpose. Take these as you will, but to me they seem to lack a touch of class.

 

[Mslacat]

This is my first post on Egriz, however I have been regularly viewing the post since December, about the time Sweetwyne was denegrating K. Davis and the University of Montana's academic record. I grew up in Missoula, left for awhile and recently returned, so I thought it better not to post until I refamiliarized myself with Griz hoops. I would like to narrate personal experiences I have had which relate to 1.) McKay and Lynch's scholarships and 2.) coach "Klassless"

-Sorry about the background info, here is what I'd like to say.

I have a slight acquaintance with several people associated with Griz hoops and as it happens I was sitting at a dining table in January or early February with several Griz basketball players. This happened to be the same day McKay was told his scholarship would be rescinded. Mckay told the group of players something to the effect of, "Coach isn't giving me my scholarship next year because of persistent injury problems." McKay also said that he "understood" coach K's reasoning, but was simultaneously disappointed. The other player's at the table also seemed upset for McKay.
By this interaction it appeared Mckay wanted to stay for his senior year. If coach K. rescinded the scholarship because he knew McKay was wouldn't leave only a few credits short of graduating, or simply made a basketball decision is up for speculation. But he lied to the Tribune in March when he said he wasn't sure about McKay's situation.

I have nothing of interest to post regarding Brian Lynch but would like to give all egrizzers a near verbatim transcript of an interaction coach K. had with Thierry before the Portland St. trip. Three sources, all present at the exchange verified its accuracy.
This took place before practice earlier in the week before leaving for Portland, with many people watching or within earshot.

Coach K: Hey Nick-you going to have alot of family at the Game?
Thierry: I think my parents and a few friends.
Coach K: Well how are you going to get there because we can't take you.

Needless to say, Thierry and anyone who heard the exchange were baffled by its tone and purpose. Take these as you will, but to me they seem to lack a touch of class.

OUCH!!

 

[umdeez]

Good post copper & gold. Hope everyone reads that.

 

[copper&gold]

Before anyone reads too far into my post-I'm neither pro nor con Krystowiak. The Griz had a positive season, but I'm not ready to drink the Kool-Aid quite yet. He has to continue success on the court and in the classroom (which wasn't his strong suite while he was a player), and prove he can win with his players.

 

[milehighgriz]

Great post, well presented. All I got to say is watchout, there are a lot of people who have put Krysko on a pedistool.

 

[GrizWhiz]

milehi- you "neither pro or con Krystowiak" but refer to him as "Coach Klassless"? :-?