Mature discussion, NCAA investigation.

[Cats2506]

Are you saying when the police reported to the coach that no criminal behavior had occurred, that the coach/university should have reported the incident back to the police? Now that's pretty funny. Note that the police had determined that no criminal behavior had occurred, whether a felony or misdemeanor.

A lawyer with the permission of his client can answers questions and provide information to a third party. The lawyer, with the permission of his client who was presumably sitting in the same room, probably gave a preliminary assessment of the facts/case, and said that the case would eventually be dismissed or essentially dismissed. Foley was acting on behalf of the president, and the president was involved in the decisions that were made.

It's funny to see you spout off about the legal system, when you obviously have no clue as to how it works.

pflu knew about the alleged gang rape and didn't report it to his superiors before the police told him that they would not prosecute, that is why they told him, because he was investigating if he needed to suspend them for 1 or 2 quarters of play

if you know there is an allegation of gang rape against your players you have a moral duty (as the NCAA sees it) to do something about it.

 

[br fan]

Are you saying when the police reported to the coach that no criminal behavior had occurred, that the coach/university should have reported the incident back to the police? Now that's pretty funny. Note that the police had determined that no criminal behavior had occurred, whether a felony or misdemeanor.

A lawyer with the permission of his client can answers questions and provide information to a third party. The lawyer, with the permission of his client who was presumably sitting in the same room, probably gave a preliminary assessment of the facts/case, and said that the case would eventually be dismissed or essentially dismissed. Foley was acting on behalf of the president, and the president was involved in the decisions that were made.

It's funny to see you spout off about the legal system, when you obviously have no clue as to how it works.

pflu knew about the alleged gang rape and didn't report it to his superiors before the police told him that they would not prosecute, that is why they told him, because he was investigating if he needed to suspend them for 1 or 2 quarters of play

if you know there is an allegation of gang rape against your players you have a moral duty (as the NCAA sees it) to do something about it.

The failure to report was from the fall of 2010, and Kemp and Tru were suspended for one quarter in the fall of 2011. Is this what you're talking about?

 

[BWahlberg]

pflu knew about the alleged gang rape and didn't report it to his superiors before the police told him that they would not prosecute, that is why they told him, because he was investigating if he needed to suspend them for 1 or 2 quarters of play

if you know there is an allegation of gang rape against your players you have a moral duty (as the NCAA sees it) to do something about it.

The "alleged gang rape" that you're referencing was I believe the 2010 incident which Charles Coture dubbed a "gang rape" via email blast but the police refused to further investigate (twice) and the UM court ruled in favor of the alleged players in unanimous fashion and tossed the case out.

Despite that one player was sent packing even though the MPD and UM Court did not deem it assault/rape.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I can't keep all of these alleged rapes, admitted non-reporting of rapes, pro bono legal representation, and idiotic public emails separate.

What are we talking about again? There are some real problems here, folks, and the NCAA has shown that non-reporting of sexual assaults is a very big deal.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

pflu knew about the alleged gang rape and didn't report it to his superiors before the police told him that they would not prosecute, that is why they told him, because he was investigating if he needed to suspend them for 1 or 2 quarters of play

if you know there is an allegation of gang rape against your players you have a moral duty (as the NCAA sees it) to do something about it.

The "alleged gang rape" that you're referencing was I believe the 2010 incident which Charles Coture dubbed a "gang rape" via email blast but the police refused to further investigate (twice) and the UM court ruled in favor of the alleged players in unanimous fashion and tossed the case out.

Despite that one player was sent packing even though the MPD and UM Court did not deem it assault/rape.

The police supposedly did "investigate" ( actually asked the players, who said she wanted it), but not until after the claim was made to UM by the alleged victim. The allegation is that Pflugrad knew about the incident prior to that, and did nothing about it.

Let me ask all of you this. Robin had a great season as UM's coach, and was poised to have an even better season this year. With his success, why has nobody offered him a co-ordinator job at a bigger school, at the very least?

 

[BWahlberg]

pflu knew about the alleged gang rape and didn't report it to his superiors before the police told him that they would not prosecute, that is why they told him, because he was investigating if he needed to suspend them for 1 or 2 quarters of play

if you know there is an allegation of gang rape against your players you have a moral duty (as the NCAA sees it) to do something about it.

The "alleged gang rape" that you're referencing was I believe the 2010 incident which Charles Coture dubbed a "gang rape" via email blast but the police refused to further investigate (twice) and the UM court ruled in favor of the alleged players in unanimous fashion and tossed the case out.

Despite that one player was sent packing even though the MPD and UM Court did not deem it assault/rape.

The police supposedly did "investigate" ( actually asked the players, who said she wanted it), but not until after the claim was made to UM by the alleged victim. The allegation is that Pflugrad knew about the incident prior to that, and did nothing about it.

Let me ask all of you this. Robin had a great season as UM's coach, and was poised to have an even better season this year. With his success, why has nobody offered him a co-ordinator job at a bigger school, at the very least?

I believe the investigation stopped when video evidence was shown.

The allegation of Pflu knowing nothing prior to, and doing nothing - well that could be an issue most certainly, no way to argue about that. NCAA issue possibly, when did he find out, did it occur during the season, and were these players kept in a game afterwards. Although considering there was no arrest, no charges... what was Robin supposed to do? If it was deemed consensual? And who did the ongoing allegations come from - the victim or Charles Coture? I don't have all the answers obviously, but it's not black and white like Joe Pa's "situation" was of a coach telling him Sandusky raped a little boy and Joe Pa did nothing.

Additionally, why hasn't he been hired? That's simple, the court of public perception adding in with a fairly tarnished image. He was the head coach of a team with now 2 players accused of rape that is being investigated by the NCAA/DOJ/DOE... regardless of his direct level of "fault" he was the head coach and when this kind of stuff hits the fan the blame always goes to the top.

 

[tnt]

Pflu was never good with the press and it was a problem. His little statement to the press was ill advised and well remebered, and now with formal charges, no matter how it comes out it will follow him. It doesn't seem fair and it probably isn't but that little sentence of "support" has defined him for a very long time along with his attitude towards the whole rape issue. It would suprise me if either he or JOD won't be considered very damaged good for a long while.

One slip of the tongue has sunk many careers.

 

[br fan]

pflu knew about the alleged gang rape and didn't report it to his superiors before the police told him that they would not prosecute, that is why they told him, because he was investigating if he needed to suspend them for 1 or 2 quarters of play

if you know there is an allegation of gang rape against your players you have a moral duty (as the NCAA sees it) to do something about it.

The "alleged gang rape" that you're referencing was I believe the 2010 incident which Charles Coture dubbed a "gang rape" via email blast but the police refused to further investigate (twice) and the UM court ruled in favor of the alleged players in unanimous fashion and tossed the case out.

Despite that one player was sent packing even though the MPD and UM Court did not deem it assault/rape.

The police supposedly did "investigate" ( actually asked the players, who said she wanted it), but not until after the claim was made to UM by the alleged victim. The allegation is that Pflugrad knew about the incident prior to that, and did nothing about it.

Let me ask all of you this. Robin had a great season as UM's coach, and was poised to have an even better season this year. With his success, why has nobody offered him a co-ordinator job at a bigger school, at the very least?

Maybe I missed this, but until your post I've never heard it claimed that Pflu knew about the incident prior to being told by the police, but did not do anything about it. I assumed we were talking about the failure to report cited in the Barz report. With the release of the Barz report UM acknowledged in the fall of 2010 Pflu was contacted by the police and told that a complaint had been filed, the police had investigated but would not be investigating further, and would not be filing charges. UM acknowledged Pflu failed to report this to his superiors.

If the allegation that Pflu was aware of this prior to being told by the police and did nothing about it, then UM really is in trouble. Not just for Pflu failing to do anything, but also for UM not acknowledging this failure when Engstrom discussed Barz' findings.

 

[BWahlberg]

Pflu was never good with the press and it was a problem. His little statement to the press was ill advised and well remebered, and now with formal charges, no matter how it comes out it will follow him. It doesn't seem fair and it probably isn't but that little sentence of "support" has defined him for a very long time along with his attitude towards the whole rape issue.

One slip of the tongue has sunk many careers.

Agreed, the only thing that might reverse this would be if the court system throws out the rape charge or if a jury finds him not guilty - that would then give strength to what Robin said.

 

[BWahlberg]

Maybe I missed this, but until your post I've never heard it claimed that Pflu knew about the incident prior to being told by the police, but did not do anything about it. I assumed we were talking about the failure to report cited in the Barz report. With the release of the Barz report UM acknowledged in the fall of 2010 Pflu was contacted by the police and told that a complaint had been filed, the police had investigated but would not be investigating further, and would not be filing charges. UM acknowledged Pflu failed to report this to his superiors.

If the allegation that Pflu was aware of this prior to being told by the police and did nothing about it, then UM really is in trouble. Not just for Pflu failing to do anything, but also for UM not acknowledging this failure when Engstrom discussed Barz' findings.

Good point br fan.

 

[Bear Spray]

With the release of the Barz report UM acknowledged in the fall of 2010 Pflu was contacted by the police and told that a complaint had been filed, the police had investigated but would not be investigating further, and would not be filing charges. UM acknowledged Pflu failed to report this to his superiors.

BW, why would the Missoula police department contact the head football coach, instead of the UM administration? That can't be common practice, can it?

 

[BWahlberg]

With the release of the Barz report UM acknowledged in the fall of 2010 Pflu was contacted by the police and told that a complaint had been filed, the police had investigated but would not be investigating further, and would not be filing charges. UM acknowledged Pflu failed to report this to his superiors.

BW, why would the Missoula police department contact the head football coach, instead of the UM administration? That can't be common practice, can it?

Not sure, that's a good question.

I know in some past events that can be chalked up now as "minor" (loud parties) the police would go straight to the coach, I'm not sure if they did involve the administration.

I know also in many cases the AD would hear about it, I recall a speech by Jim O'Day saying being the UM AD is challenging because with this job he "has over 300 kids" and he just cringes when he'd get those late night phone calls.

 

[Bear Spray]

With the release of the Barz report UM acknowledged in the fall of 2010 Pflu was contacted by the police and told that a complaint had been filed, the police had investigated but would not be investigating further, and would not be filing charges. UM acknowledged Pflu failed to report this to his superiors.

BW, why would the Missoula police department contact the head football coach, instead of the UM administration? That can't be common practice, can it?

Not sure, that's a good question.

I know in some past events that can be chalked up now as "minor" (loud parties) the police would go straight to the coach, I'm not sure if they did involve the administration.

I know also in many cases the AD would hear about it, I recall a speech by Jim O'Day saying being the UM AD is challenging because with this job he "has over 300 kids" and he just cringes when he'd get those late night phone calls.

Thanks BW.

 

[br fan]

With the release of the Barz report UM acknowledged in the fall of 2010 Pflu was contacted by the police and told that a complaint had been filed, the police had investigated but would not be investigating further, and would not be filing charges. UM acknowledged Pflu failed to report this to his superiors.

BW, why would the Missoula police department contact the head football coach, instead of the UM administration? That can't be common practice, can it?

I don't know how common this was, but this was a finding by Barz that was acknowledged by UM. When UM initially released the report they were criticized for having Barz change her language from the "police told the football coach" to "police told a university employee."

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you saying when the police reported to the coach that no criminal behavior had occurred, that the coach/university should have reported the incident back to the police? Now that's pretty funny. Note that the police had determined that no criminal behavior had occurred, whether a felony or misdemeanor.

A lawyer with the permission of his client can answers questions and provide information to a third party. The lawyer, with the permission of his client who was presumably sitting in the same room, probably gave a preliminary assessment of the facts/case, and said that the case would eventually be dismissed or essentially dismissed. Foley was acting on behalf of the president, and the president was involved in the decisions that were made.

It's funny to see you spout off about the legal system, when you obviously have no clue as to how it works.

pflu knew about the alleged gang rape and didn't report it to his superiors before the police told him that they would not prosecute, that is why they told him, because he was investigating if he needed to suspend them for 1 or 2 quarters of play

if you know there is an allegation of gang rape against your players you have a moral duty (as the NCAA sees it) to do something about it.

Nope, what you said is not true. Pflu was informed by the police when they told him that they weren't going to pursue the matter--not before. The incident occurred after the season had ended (in Dec. 2010; recall the UM didn't make the playoffs that year), so no one had to determine then whether to not allow players to play in games. You are such a liar.

Quotes from the Missoulian in a Florio article:

"The December 2010 allegations are being investigated under the Student Conduct Code. Although the woman — who suspected she was drugged before the alleged assault — went to the hospital and filed a police report immediately after the incident, no charges were filed. Police cited a lack of evidence, and notified Montana football coach Robin Pflugrad when their investigation was complete."

"The Missoula Police Department’s notification of Pflugrad about those allegations was referenced in the report Barz filed Jan. 31:

“Police provided limited information about allegations to a University employee. The situation was addressed with the students allegedly involved. UM does not have guidelines and procedures requiring reporting of information of the nature received in the manner this information was received.”

 

[ordigger]

Sort of strange to see someone quote Florio's articles to support their statements. I thought she never got her facts right? Obviously in this case, she did.

 

[Cats2506]

Are you saying when the police reported to the coach that no criminal behavior had occurred, that the coach/university should have reported the incident back to the police? Now that's pretty funny. Note that the police had determined that no criminal behavior had occurred, whether a felony or misdemeanor.

A lawyer with the permission of his client can answers questions and provide information to a third party. The lawyer, with the permission of his client who was presumably sitting in the same room, probably gave a preliminary assessment of the facts/case, and said that the case would eventually be dismissed or essentially dismissed. Foley was acting on behalf of the president, and the president was involved in the decisions that were made.

It's funny to see you spout off about the legal system, when you obviously have no clue as to how it works.

pflu knew about the alleged gang rape and didn't report it to his superiors before the police told him that they would not prosecute, that is why they told him, because he was investigating if he needed to suspend them for 1 or 2 quarters of play

if you know there is an allegation of gang rape against your players you have a moral duty (as the NCAA sees it) to do something about it.

Nope, what you said is not true. Pflu was informed by the police when they told him that they weren't going to pursue the matter--not before. The incident occurred after the season had ended (in Dec. 2010; recall the UM didn't make the playoffs that year), so no one had to determine then whether to not allow players to play in games. You are such a liar.

Quotes from the Missoulian in a Florio article:

"The December 2010 allegations are being investigated under the Student Conduct Code. Although the woman — who suspected she was drugged before the alleged assault — went to the hospital and filed a police report immediately after the incident, no charges were filed. Police cited a lack of evidence, and notified Montana football coach Robin Pflugrad when their investigation was complete."

"The Missoula Police Department’s notification of Pflugrad about those allegations was referenced in the report Barz filed Jan. 31:

“Police provided limited information about allegations to a University employee. The situation was addressed with the students allegedly involved. UM does not have guidelines and procedures requiring reporting of information of the nature received in the manner this information was received.”

So you took the bait, you are claiming that a girl filed a report of gang rape by 4-6 football players and the head coach never knew anything of it until some time later when the police told him that they had no evidence of the report and were dropping their investigation, if that is the case then its "loss of institutional control" (ie the inmates are running the jail) and he should have been fired right then for not knowing what many others knew about his players possibly committing a felony.

otherwise you are lying like a lawyer :thumb:

I'm not saying that he knew from the police report, but he knew that some of his players were being investigated for a felony, like I said if he didnt then he is dumber that even I ever suspected and had no business ever being a DI head coach

 

[Cats2506]

Sort of strange to see someone quote Florio's articles to support their statements. I thought she never got her facts right? Obviously in this case, she did.

PR will quote anybody that will support his lies

 

[EverettGriz]

Can someone who speaks gibberish please translate what the hell 2506 is trying to say?

Thank you.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Can someone who speaks gibberish please translate what the hell 2506 is trying to say?

Thank you.

Some people attack for the sheer thrill of the attack. No matter how nonsensical it sounds. Does the term "knuckle-dragger" come to mind? Now all we have to do is stand around and watch him drool; and, of course, applaud. Must'n offend him, any. Otherwise he may just throw a temper tandrum.