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Maroon & Silver Scrimmage report
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mtgrizrule
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SHHHHHHHHHHHHH, be very very quiet. Basketball posts are keeping up with football posts tonight!!!! I love it, keep it up guys.
AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen
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yeah, good to have some discussion back. i was there but how did the turnout for this scrimmage compare to past years?
AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen said:
As I recall, last years was a Sunday morning. My dad and I watched it and then I think watched a Packers game on TV. The turnout was roughly the same, there were some more students, that's pretty much all I recall. Of course last year's scrimmage was coming off the NCAA win over Nevada and then loss to BC before, so I think there was more hype surrounding that team in the pre-season.
mtgrizrule
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GrizWhiz said:
I personally know a few fans coming back thanks to the core of montana boys Hasquet, McGillis, Selvig, and Hurley. I hope Montana continues to produce a few GRIZ every year. I heared Tinkle preach that to the campers this year. He got every campers attention at both camps. Especially the 6th grade and older campers. Honestly, the best camp I have ever seen as for attitude and hustle. The campers obviously bought what Tinks was selling.
Mslacat
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OK this is what I saw. I am not going to repeat what a lot of folks have posted but some other thoughts I had.
If Tinkle was to pick a starting line up today I am betting he would have started
Rundles
Martin
Staudacher
Strait
Hasquet
First off the bench
Sharp
Elgin-Taylor
Qvale is definitely the the 4th big man (behind JH, AS, and KS)
I do not see the Griz using the three big man line up. Tinkle rarely sub in a line up that featured any of three big men, and when he did, it just did not work. They could not defend the three or keep up with a hustle player like McGillis. It was not even close to working. Sorry I just do not see a Strait, Hasquet and Sharp (or Selvig) working ....... yet.
Qvale is ahead of Selvig in terms of contributing this year. Qvale is has a body of a D-1 player and is not afraid to use it. Qvale's game is simple (but skilled). Nothing fancy, but very effective, he is not afraid of mixing it up even against like Strait. Selvig looks much better than he did about 3-4 weeks ago when I saw him play. Back then I am sorry to say he was almost being abused by the Griz big guys. He did not look comfortable or motivated. Tonight he looked very comfortable on the court, but for the most part non impressive. The one exception to that, though was pretty damn impressive. I believe in the second half Tinkle had a word with him just before his team took the ball up court. Selvig got the ball at the top of the key in 3 point land, and he looked like he wanted to score the ball. He faked a 3 point shot, got his man in the air he dribbled past the defender, it looked like he was going to put up a running little hook, but the defence collapsed on him, he turned his back to the ball to post up and again the defence colasped on him double teaming him, he recognised the double team wipped the ball out to the open man, Selvig then sprang out to the 3 point baseline, got the ball right back and hit a 3 point with a defender flying at him. It is hard to explain it in words but he pulled off at least three big time moves in the span of 7-8 seconds. Then Selvig went right back to a nondescript game.
Strait was pretty much the Strait of the last few years, just a little bigger and a little better. He is a hard working big guy, but i still somewhat dependent on getting the ball in the right spot, where he can pound it in, or pass it back out. Hasquet, by contrast does though have the ability to create his own shot, and also improvise a little bit more if his first option is shut down.
Much like Hasquet benefited by taking a redshirt year, I think Selvig also could benefit, if Tinkle feels he can afford to.
For those who doubted McGillis ability, you should have watched him take the silver/white team that consisted of freshman and redshirts against the Starters from a 12 point deficit to with-in 3 points when I had to leave. None of the starters could stop or even keep up with him. Pretty damn impressive.
With 15 players on the roster, but Taylor and McGillis reshirting because of the transfer rule, Hurley definitely needing a redshirt year, Vabderjact possibly out for some reason, and Graves in need of a little more seasoning before he is ready for prime time, I don't know if Tinkle will be able to redshirt anybody else.
Sorry I a going to bed now.... I have another scrimmage to attend tomorrow
If Tinkle was to pick a starting line up today I am betting he would have started
Rundles
Martin
Staudacher
Strait
Hasquet
First off the bench
Sharp
Elgin-Taylor
Qvale is definitely the the 4th big man (behind JH, AS, and KS)
I do not see the Griz using the three big man line up. Tinkle rarely sub in a line up that featured any of three big men, and when he did, it just did not work. They could not defend the three or keep up with a hustle player like McGillis. It was not even close to working. Sorry I just do not see a Strait, Hasquet and Sharp (or Selvig) working ....... yet.
Qvale is ahead of Selvig in terms of contributing this year. Qvale is has a body of a D-1 player and is not afraid to use it. Qvale's game is simple (but skilled). Nothing fancy, but very effective, he is not afraid of mixing it up even against like Strait. Selvig looks much better than he did about 3-4 weeks ago when I saw him play. Back then I am sorry to say he was almost being abused by the Griz big guys. He did not look comfortable or motivated. Tonight he looked very comfortable on the court, but for the most part non impressive. The one exception to that, though was pretty damn impressive. I believe in the second half Tinkle had a word with him just before his team took the ball up court. Selvig got the ball at the top of the key in 3 point land, and he looked like he wanted to score the ball. He faked a 3 point shot, got his man in the air he dribbled past the defender, it looked like he was going to put up a running little hook, but the defence collapsed on him, he turned his back to the ball to post up and again the defence colasped on him double teaming him, he recognised the double team wipped the ball out to the open man, Selvig then sprang out to the 3 point baseline, got the ball right back and hit a 3 point with a defender flying at him. It is hard to explain it in words but he pulled off at least three big time moves in the span of 7-8 seconds. Then Selvig went right back to a nondescript game.
Strait was pretty much the Strait of the last few years, just a little bigger and a little better. He is a hard working big guy, but i still somewhat dependent on getting the ball in the right spot, where he can pound it in, or pass it back out. Hasquet, by contrast does though have the ability to create his own shot, and also improvise a little bit more if his first option is shut down.
Much like Hasquet benefited by taking a redshirt year, I think Selvig also could benefit, if Tinkle feels he can afford to.
For those who doubted McGillis ability, you should have watched him take the silver/white team that consisted of freshman and redshirts against the Starters from a 12 point deficit to with-in 3 points when I had to leave. None of the starters could stop or even keep up with him. Pretty damn impressive.
With 15 players on the roster, but Taylor and McGillis reshirting because of the transfer rule, Hurley definitely needing a redshirt year, Vabderjact possibly out for some reason, and Graves in need of a little more seasoning before he is ready for prime time, I don't know if Tinkle will be able to redshirt anybody else.
Sorry I a going to bed now.... I have another scrimmage to attend tomorrow
Grizbacker1
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MslaCat,
It may be too early, but how do you think this season's Griz team compares to last years?
It may be too early, but how do you think this season's Griz team compares to last years?
Mslacat
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Grizbacker1 said:
Pro: Better at 4 of the 5 positions, much better depth, a team more suited to Tinkle, good chemistry.
Con: The small forward position could be a problem, but is still a work in progress. I don't think you will see one solution there in the pre-conference season, I think it will be situational, where certain players will get more time at that position depending on the match ups. Tinkle is going to have to coach that position up until someone emerges as the guy.
Wild card is Vanderjact, is he better than Qvale? Qvale was pretty impressive for a true freshman last night. I do not know if Vanderjact is going to be happy being the 5th big man. If he is equal or better look out.
yup, the three, that's our achilles. the watson hole. would mcgillis have looked that great against watson? hasquet and selvig are too big and staudacher too small to step into that position. all year, tinks will be combing hair over that bald spot.
but we knew when the two jaycee kids dropped out that we were trading the present for the future--watson and phillips for mcgillis and mathias ward. the good news is, mcgillis seems to be just what the barber ordered.
but we knew when the two jaycee kids dropped out that we were trading the present for the future--watson and phillips for mcgillis and mathias ward. the good news is, mcgillis seems to be just what the barber ordered.
Grizbacker1
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citygriz said:
Looks like you found your calling city, you can show him how you have been covering your bald spot for years now. :thumb:
WyomingGrizFan
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Mslacat said:
Why couldn't 6'7" Kyle Sharp be good for a look at that number 3 position of SF?
Grizbacker1
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WyomingGrizFan said:
I imagine quickness on D would be an issue. Plus, what kind of shooting range does KS have.
AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen
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He has some range but it's not great. He's the guy that will occaisonally take a jumper but you're not a huge fan of him taking it. Much better in the low block.Grizbacker1 said:
AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen
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Yeah, with most of our opponents, the three is going to be smaller quicker guy. I assume.jdhog45 said:
mtgrizrule
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This is copied from montanagrizzlies.com. If the 3 pt % and FT % is even close to the scrimmage........... "The Grizzlies shot well as a team, making 14-of-30 (47%) three pointers and 29-of-37 (78%) free throw attempts." LOOKOUT BIG SKY!!!! Then add some defense to it. :thumb:
Maroons edge Silvers 61-58 in Griz scrimmage
by: Dave Guffey of the UM Sports Information Department
Wednesday, 10/24/2007
Senior guard Matt Martin drilled a key three-pointer in overtime to lead the Maroon team to a 61-58 overtime win over the Silver squad in The University of Montana Grizzlies annual pre-season scrimmage Wednesday evening in UM’s Dahlberg Arena.
It was difficult to get a handle on the game, as many of the players switched teams at halftime, although Martin played the entire time for the Maroons. They played a 20-minute first half, 15 in the second, and a two-minute overtime period. The game was deadlocked 56-all after regulation play.
Junior forward Jack McGillis showed signs of things to come, as the Oregon State transfer scored 26 points, making 10-of-13 field goal attempts. However, the Missoula native has to redshirt this season due to NCAA transfer rules.
Freshman center Brian Qvale, a 6-11, 235-pounder from Williston, North Dakota, also had a nice debut as a Griz, scoring 16 points on 4-of-7 shooting, and he also grabbed a scrimmage-high 8 rebounds.
“It is nothing we haven’t seen in practice,” said second-year Griz head coach Wayne Tinkle, who was 17-15 in his initial season at his alma mater a year ago. “Jack’s been playing well. Brian Qvale has been playing well.”
Senior, forward Andrew Strait, an All-Big Sky Conference selection the past two seasons, made 5-of-10 field goal tries, and scored 12 points and grabbed 7 rebounds.
Junior forward Jordan Hasquet, who also played the entire time with the Maroon squad, struggled from the field, making 1-of-7 field goal attempts, but made 9-of-13 free throws and ended up with 11 points and 4 rebounds. Hasquet was a first team all-league pick last season as well.
Sophomore guard Cameron Rundles, last year’s Big Sky “Freshman of the Year,” also struggled shooting-wise (1-of-6), and had 5 points. Sophomore guard Ryan Staudacher chipped in 6 points and made 2-of-5 three-pointers.
Zach Graves, a redshirt freshman guard from John F. Kennedy High School in Sacramento, Calif, scored 5 points for the Silver team.
Tinkle also lauded the play of UM’s other two prep recruits, as well as another Division I transfer.
“Derek Selvig has gotten better day-to-day, and I was really impressed with Tyler Hurley and the way that he has stepped up to the challenge that we have put in front of him,” Tinkle said. “Then Michael Taylor is just rock solid. We knew that, and that’s one of the reasons we wanted him.”
Derek Selvig, whose dad Doug Selvig scored 1,000 points while playing for the Griz from 1981-85, played for his father at Dawson County High School in Glendive, had 5 points, 2 rebounds, and 2 assists. Hurley, from Anaconda, did not score, but had 2 rebounds.
Taylor, a sophomore guard from Brewster, Wash., and a transfer from Big Sky member Eastern Washington, had 3 points and 3 assists. He will also redshirt this season because of NCAA transfer rules.
Tinkle, who said prior to the season that one of his priorities was to determine who would play point guard, was pleased with the play of all of the candidates.
“Boy, I am impressed,” he said. “I couldn’t pick one right now, but Matt Martin sure played well, and he hasn’t played the point much in practice. Ceylon (Elgin-Taylor, a junior guard), I thought, was pretty solid. Cam turned the ball over a little bit more (Rundles had 6 turnovers) than we wanted, but Cam’s played mostly off the ball in practice. We wanted to mix it up a little bit and have those guys play different positions and see how they respond, and now we’ve got kind of a blueprint on how to go about our work and where we need to improve.”
The Grizzlies shot well as a team, making 14-of-30 (47%) three pointers and 29-of-37 (78%) free throw attempts.
The Grizzlies first exhibition game is next Wednesday, Oct. 31, against College of the Great Falls, in a 7:05 p.m. tip-off.
Maroons edge Silvers 61-58 in Griz scrimmage
by: Dave Guffey of the UM Sports Information Department
Wednesday, 10/24/2007
Senior guard Matt Martin drilled a key three-pointer in overtime to lead the Maroon team to a 61-58 overtime win over the Silver squad in The University of Montana Grizzlies annual pre-season scrimmage Wednesday evening in UM’s Dahlberg Arena.
It was difficult to get a handle on the game, as many of the players switched teams at halftime, although Martin played the entire time for the Maroons. They played a 20-minute first half, 15 in the second, and a two-minute overtime period. The game was deadlocked 56-all after regulation play.
Junior forward Jack McGillis showed signs of things to come, as the Oregon State transfer scored 26 points, making 10-of-13 field goal attempts. However, the Missoula native has to redshirt this season due to NCAA transfer rules.
Freshman center Brian Qvale, a 6-11, 235-pounder from Williston, North Dakota, also had a nice debut as a Griz, scoring 16 points on 4-of-7 shooting, and he also grabbed a scrimmage-high 8 rebounds.
“It is nothing we haven’t seen in practice,” said second-year Griz head coach Wayne Tinkle, who was 17-15 in his initial season at his alma mater a year ago. “Jack’s been playing well. Brian Qvale has been playing well.”
Senior, forward Andrew Strait, an All-Big Sky Conference selection the past two seasons, made 5-of-10 field goal tries, and scored 12 points and grabbed 7 rebounds.
Junior forward Jordan Hasquet, who also played the entire time with the Maroon squad, struggled from the field, making 1-of-7 field goal attempts, but made 9-of-13 free throws and ended up with 11 points and 4 rebounds. Hasquet was a first team all-league pick last season as well.
Sophomore guard Cameron Rundles, last year’s Big Sky “Freshman of the Year,” also struggled shooting-wise (1-of-6), and had 5 points. Sophomore guard Ryan Staudacher chipped in 6 points and made 2-of-5 three-pointers.
Zach Graves, a redshirt freshman guard from John F. Kennedy High School in Sacramento, Calif, scored 5 points for the Silver team.
Tinkle also lauded the play of UM’s other two prep recruits, as well as another Division I transfer.
“Derek Selvig has gotten better day-to-day, and I was really impressed with Tyler Hurley and the way that he has stepped up to the challenge that we have put in front of him,” Tinkle said. “Then Michael Taylor is just rock solid. We knew that, and that’s one of the reasons we wanted him.”
Derek Selvig, whose dad Doug Selvig scored 1,000 points while playing for the Griz from 1981-85, played for his father at Dawson County High School in Glendive, had 5 points, 2 rebounds, and 2 assists. Hurley, from Anaconda, did not score, but had 2 rebounds.
Taylor, a sophomore guard from Brewster, Wash., and a transfer from Big Sky member Eastern Washington, had 3 points and 3 assists. He will also redshirt this season because of NCAA transfer rules.
Tinkle, who said prior to the season that one of his priorities was to determine who would play point guard, was pleased with the play of all of the candidates.
“Boy, I am impressed,” he said. “I couldn’t pick one right now, but Matt Martin sure played well, and he hasn’t played the point much in practice. Ceylon (Elgin-Taylor, a junior guard), I thought, was pretty solid. Cam turned the ball over a little bit more (Rundles had 6 turnovers) than we wanted, but Cam’s played mostly off the ball in practice. We wanted to mix it up a little bit and have those guys play different positions and see how they respond, and now we’ve got kind of a blueprint on how to go about our work and where we need to improve.”
The Grizzlies shot well as a team, making 14-of-30 (47%) three pointers and 29-of-37 (78%) free throw attempts.
The Grizzlies first exhibition game is next Wednesday, Oct. 31, against College of the Great Falls, in a 7:05 p.m. tip-off.
