Marcus Knight to transfer or retire?

[24GRIZ]

Yes, this is exactly right. If you miss the window, you risk not being able to join the new team until after spring ball is finished.

So it would seem that it's not as much as the kids quitting on their team as it is an issue with the current window. I'd assume if it was changed, you'd see more kids finishing out their season regardless of their intentions to enter the portal.

Exactly. The system dictates what is happening. Football season and the school semesters don't line up. No one should expect a player to give up a chance to better their playing opportunities elsewhere simply to "wait out the season" and miss spring ball at the new school.
All we can hope for is the player is not disruptive on the way out. I haven't heard from anyone Marcus has done anything disruptive - he is simply doing what is best for him given the constraints of the system.
Best of luck to Marcus, I will look for him next fall and cheer him on.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I have no clue, but isn't this more of a matter because of the portal timing? I was under the impression if a kid waits out the season, especially those on teams playing into mid-January, they have little time to find a new situation before spring. I don't know the exact timing, but thought I read with the way the current window works, we'll see more kids leaving before the season is through.

Could be way off on that that though. :?

Yes, this is exactly right. If you miss the window, you risk not being able to join the new team until after spring ball is finished.

The window doesnt close in the middle of a season.

If I was a coach - and I am not - I would look twice at an athlete who quit on his team and teammates in the middle of the season. Character matters...at least it used to. The athlete can enter the portal the day after the season ends and miss nothing.

 

[ilovethecats]

Yes, this is exactly right. If you miss the window, you risk not being able to join the new team until after spring ball is finished.

The window doesnt close in the middle of a season.

If I was a coach - and I am not - I would look twice at an athlete who quit on his team and teammates in the middle of the season. Character matters...at least it used to. The athlete can enter the portal the day after the season ends and miss nothing.

Only if all is equal and they make all athletes wait that long. But if you have a school you think is a perfect fit and you wait it out while another player leaves early and gets that same spot, you're left out. Hence why kids are doing that in the first place because they are already looking to change scenery for a better fit. Doesn't really make sense if you know you're leaving and you still miss out on your 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice of schools. Then you're right back in the same situation.

If they made it so no player could leave until the day after the national championship game, I suspect most players would finish out the season.

 

[SoldierGriz]

The window doesnt close in the middle of a season.

If I was a coach - and I am not - I would look twice at an athlete who quit on his team and teammates in the middle of the season. Character matters...at least it used to. The athlete can enter the portal the day after the season ends and miss nothing.

Only if all is equal and they make all athletes wait that long. But if you have a school you think is a perfect fit and you wait it out while another player leaves early and gets that same spot, you're left out. Hence why kids are doing that in the first place because they are already looking to change scenery for a better fit. Doesn't really make sense if you know you're leaving and you still miss out on your 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice of schools. Then you're right back in the same situation.

If they made it so no player could leave until the day after the national championship game, I suspect most players would finish out the season.

You do realize the VAST majority of players who enter the portal never end up on a new roster correct. New portal windows go into effect next season, which opens 2 different windows (60 days total). Might help with this matter, but who knows.

 

[SoldierGriz]

So it would seem that it's not as much as the kids quitting on their team as it is an issue with the current window. I'd assume if it was changed, you'd see more kids finishing out their season regardless of their intentions to enter the portal.

Exactly. The system dictates what is happening. Football season and the school semesters don't line up. No one should expect a player to give up a chance to better their playing opportunities elsewhere simply to "wait out the season" and miss spring ball at the new school.
All we can hope for is the player is not disruptive on the way out. I haven't heard from anyone Marcus has done anything disruptive - he is simply doing what is best for him given the constraints of the system.
Best of luck to Marcus, I will look for him next fall and cheer him on.

I also don't believe it Marcus' departure has been disruptive...not so sure about the players departing NDSU however. It's the ultimate team sport - and departing mid-season is simply the opposite of that culture IMO.

 

[uofmman1122]

Yes, this is exactly right. If you miss the window, you risk not being able to join the new team until after spring ball is finished.

The window doesnt close in the middle of a season.

If I was a coach - and I am not - I would look twice at an athlete who quit on his team and teammates in the middle of the season. Character matters...at least it used to. The athlete can enter the portal the day after the season ends and miss nothing.

Well it's clear you don't view this as a matter of practicality, but rather one of morals and your opinion of right vs. wrong. That's fine, I just don't see it that way.

If a guy truly doesn't want to be on a team, I see no point in him staying for some antiquated sense of "character" or "loyalty" that's always been a one-way street in college football until just recently, anyway. There are hundreds of guys across D1 who are intensely loyal to their team and program who are let go by the coaches every year after the season despite that loyalty and character.

 

[ilovethecats]

Only if all is equal and they make all athletes wait that long. But if you have a school you think is a perfect fit and you wait it out while another player leaves early and gets that same spot, you're left out. Hence why kids are doing that in the first place because they are already looking to change scenery for a better fit. Doesn't really make sense if you know you're leaving and you still miss out on your 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice of schools. Then you're right back in the same situation.

If they made it so no player could leave until the day after the national championship game, I suspect most players would finish out the season.

You do realize the VAST majority of players who enter the portal never end up on a new roster correct. New portal windows go into effect next season, which opens 2 different windows (60 days total). Might help with this matter, but who knows.

I understand that. But these kids who are entering are probably not doing so with the intention of never being on another roster. Those may be the facts, I have no idea. But I assume the mindset of kids entering the portal is that they WILL be on another roster that is a better fit. So I can see how if some kids leave so early, others would follow suit as the portal can obviously be competitive as well.

Honestly I don't know how this works very well. So I'm more or less just spitballin' here!

 

[SoldierGriz]

The window doesnt close in the middle of a season.

If I was a coach - and I am not - I would look twice at an athlete who quit on his team and teammates in the middle of the season. Character matters...at least it used to. The athlete can enter the portal the day after the season ends and miss nothing.

Well it's clear you don't view this as a matter of practicality, but rather one of morals and your opinion of right vs. wrong. That's fine, I just don't see it that way.

If a guy truly doesn't want to be on a team, I see no point in him staying for some antiquated sense of "character" or "loyalty" that's always been a one-way street in college football until just recently, anyway. There are hundreds of guys across D1 who are intensely loyal to their team and program who are let go by the coaches every year after the season despite that loyalty and character.

Power 5 Conference football scholarships are multi-year and typically revoked only for cause reasons. I know that is not the case in the FCS....

Loyalty - character - and yes, the skill sets to contribute to the team are also essential. I'd never encourage anyone to quit in the middle of something - ever. Sounds like many of you are OK with it. I must be old, so I'll just end this with:

GET OFF MY LAWN. :lol:

 

[uofmman1122]

Well it's clear you don't view this as a matter of practicality, but rather one of morals and your opinion of right vs. wrong. That's fine, I just don't see it that way.

If a guy truly doesn't want to be on a team, I see no point in him staying for some antiquated sense of "character" or "loyalty" that's always been a one-way street in college football until just recently, anyway. There are hundreds of guys across D1 who are intensely loyal to their team and program who are let go by the coaches every year after the season despite that loyalty and character.

Power 5 Conference football scholarships are multi-year and typically revoked only for cause reasons. I know that is not the case in the FCS....

Loyalty - character - and yes, the skill sets to contribute to the team are also essential. I'd never encourage anyone to quit in the middle of something - ever. Sounds like many of you are OK with it. I must be old, so I'll just end this with:

GET OFF MY LAWN. :lol:

:lol: That's fair.

I will say, lots of P5 schools get around the guaranteed scholarship rules by basically cutting out the guys they want to leave, essentially never letting them get a chance to be on the field. Some of the FBS dropdowns fit into this category.

 

[24GRIZ]

Well it's clear you don't view this as a matter of practicality, but rather one of morals and your opinion of right vs. wrong. That's fine, I just don't see it that way.

If a guy truly doesn't want to be on a team, I see no point in him staying for some antiquated sense of "character" or "loyalty" that's always been a one-way street in college football until just recently, anyway. There are hundreds of guys across D1 who are intensely loyal to their team and program who are let go by the coaches every year after the season despite that loyalty and character.

Power 5 Conference football scholarships are multi-year and typically revoked only for cause reasons. I know that is not the case in the FCS....

Loyalty - character - and yes, the skill sets to contribute to the team are also essential. I'd never encourage anyone to quit in the middle of something - ever. Sounds like many of you are OK with it. I must be old, so I'll just end this with:

GET OFF MY LAWN. :lol:

I am totally with people that suggest finishing what you started is important. Also the importance of your role as an individual on a team. In this case of the transfer window not lining up with the semesters, I just think the price to be paid by the individual is too much. Not going to the portal now could greatly reduce the success he may have at the next place as there are less openings left and he misses spring ball.

Honestly, as a teammate I would want Marcus to go in a manner that bests serves Marcus. Just don't be disruptive about it (and he hasn't). If a teammate or coworker has always been there for the team and done everything right - at some point I need to recognize that by respecting and wishing them nothing but the best when they feel there is a better opportunity for them. A player only has so many years to play, a coworker only gets so many opportunities to better themselves - at some point it is selfish of me to expect them to put what's best for them on the back burner to benefit myself/others.

Now, let's stick it to NDSU Saturday.

 

[Hurdlingriz]

Maybe when the media starts dropping the numbers in the transfer portal, these kids panick. Isnt the signing period mid december? "432 runningbacks just entered the portal" "shit, 432! Gotta move"

 

[Westcoastfan]

This is on Bobby, again.

So is the huge comeback Saturday also on Bobby?

No but the 55-21 a$$ kicking was on Booby.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So is the huge comeback Saturday also on Bobby?

No but the 55-21 a$$ kicking was on Booby.

Imagine if he were to hire a guy and then keep him on staff after his 3rd DUI. “Nah, just one game, but come to practice and coach.” Haha! What a scummy program they run in Bozeman. Win at all costs.

 

[Westcoastfan]

CDA read the Krakauer book and then get back to me.

 

[EverettGriz]

CDA read the Krakauer book and then get back to me.

The book in which the GRIZ player was fully exonerated in under an hour by a jury of his peers, you mean?


Let’s see if that happens to coach Drinksalot, shall we?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

CDA read the Krakauer book and then get back to me.

OK, I’m back. Now what?

 

[kemajic]

So is the huge comeback Saturday also on Bobby?

No but the 55-21 a$$ kicking was on Booby.

Hmmm....I'd a thought a kitten troll would have given a little credit to Sixx and his staff. Whether the DC was sober is another question...

 

[Westcoastfan]

That book is pretty much a blueprint of how NOT to run a program, then to bring the guy responsible for the scandal back to run the show is comical. 4-4 in Conference, 6th in the BigSky and 55-21 a&$ whooping, yep you guys are doing it right.

 

[mthoopsfan]

That book is pretty much a blueprint of how NOT to run a program, then to bring the guy responsible for the scandal back to run the show is comical. 4-4 in Conference, 6th in the BigSky and 55-21 a&$ whooping, yep you guys are doing it right.

Hauck had almost nothing to with the “scandal”. Most of the stuff occurred late in the second year after Hauck left. The scandal was based mostly on insinuations and lies by Krakauer and Florio. You appear not to have even read the book. Not one football player that bothered to get a lawyer to oppose allegations got kicked out of school. The university lost and had to drop other proceedings in one incident, and JJ won a settlement in another.

The scandal was hot air and untrue, except for one player. Had he consulted a lawyer early on, he could have avoided many of his problems. I talked directly to his eventual lawyer.

You are very dishonest.

 

[AZGrizFan]

That book is pretty much a blueprint of how NOT to run a program, then to bring the guy responsible for the scandal back to run the show is comical. 4-4 in Conference, 6th in the BigSky and 55-21 a&$ whooping, yep you guys are doing it right.

“That book” is full of non-truths, partial truths and twisted truths to fit Crackwhore’s and Florio’s agendas. It wasn’t fit to print in the National Enquirer.