Its a bit over simplified but in general the media and all media sucks. Watch the evening news tonight and you will see as well as every other night 28 minuets of murders, rapes, thieves, blackmail and so on, and that is just our government. Only the last and I mean last story will it be about something good that happened. Get the picture!!
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LTE - Use of FORMER GRIZ PLAYER in the paper
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Maynardsgametrail
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poorgriz said:
Is this for real?! :lol: Desperation is a stinky cologne. :thumb: However, there are alot of shi#heads on this list. But not all of them.
Waller is a Probation Officer now......I am pretty sure anyway. I will let everyone else explain the rest.
poorgriz said:
No, you tell me who of the people I've defended (see my above list) is a rotten egg. The question is not whether UM has ever had a rotten egg.
I see a few others on our list that I defended long ago. Hilliard - I defended him, I was right, and he's a good guy. Waller - I've pointed out that I don't believe he was ever charged with anything, and yes he is a probation officer, and he's a good guy. I've defended Petek for several things, but not for other things. I like Petek. Don't recall defending Segars, but I would defend him, and I like him.
mtgrizrule
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poorgriz said:
Please remind me or tell us all what the guys with ?'s did ?
By the way, the majority of your list were for alcohol or party related trouble, hardly out of the ordinary for young adults in their late teens to early 20's. Those kind of offenses and trouble is common in most every college in the United States within the student population (including athletes).
Should we make a list of all the football players never in trouble over the last 10 years?
...Speaking of good criminal defense lawyers, check out this guy. Was formerly a federal prosecutor. Kwame Manley.
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Jerry Punch
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I also think the excuse "this is very typical for young adults" or "they were just being young and stupid" doesn't hold any water.
I partied my ASS off in college. Just some insane, out of control, and against the law stuff. But I wasn't caught. And I also didn't play any college sports. The punishment would have been limited to increased insurance premiums and community service. But the punishment would have been legitimate, because in fact, I was breaking the law. Thank God the statute of limitations has run on all of that stuff.
But dismissing these violations as typical of young men does absolutely no good to discourage other young athletes from doing the same thing. PlayerRep seems to believe that we should leave it at "boys will be boys" and leave all the athletes alone. When any single one of these Montana Grizzlies OR Montana State Bobcats (as PR so proudly points out) breaks any sort of law, serious or minor, PR is there to defend it. I say be done with it. Let those young men recognize their positions and take them seriously. Let them understand that playing football is a privilege, not a right; that they owe it to their team and their fans to uphold a reputation. PR thinks defending at all costs is the way to go. I think not, for either the Cats or the Griz.
But defend away, PR. We know you think it is what you do best, other than corporate reorganizations and S-Corp stock sales.
I partied my ASS off in college. Just some insane, out of control, and against the law stuff. But I wasn't caught. And I also didn't play any college sports. The punishment would have been limited to increased insurance premiums and community service. But the punishment would have been legitimate, because in fact, I was breaking the law. Thank God the statute of limitations has run on all of that stuff.
But dismissing these violations as typical of young men does absolutely no good to discourage other young athletes from doing the same thing. PlayerRep seems to believe that we should leave it at "boys will be boys" and leave all the athletes alone. When any single one of these Montana Grizzlies OR Montana State Bobcats (as PR so proudly points out) breaks any sort of law, serious or minor, PR is there to defend it. I say be done with it. Let those young men recognize their positions and take them seriously. Let them understand that playing football is a privilege, not a right; that they owe it to their team and their fans to uphold a reputation. PR thinks defending at all costs is the way to go. I think not, for either the Cats or the Griz.
But defend away, PR. We know you think it is what you do best, other than corporate reorganizations and S-Corp stock sales.
Grisly Fan
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This has to be among the most hypocritical statements I have ever read. You admit to poor choices in college -- something I sure did in college also -- yet young male athletes are supposed to somehow be different? Sure they should try by virtue of the contract they make when they accept the privilege of playing college sports -- they certainly accept the burden of being subject to a more stringent set of rules than others. They need to try to rise above what is probably the norm (and no I am not talking about rape or other such felonies) but certainly drugs, alcohol, DUI, speeding, and other generally reckless behavior. We sure shouldn't excuse it but when it happens (and it is pretty much to be expected) about all we can do is let the law deal with it. And that goes for athletes too.Jerry Punch said:
By the way, you might do some investigation regarding the development of the male brain. It has been pretty much proven that for many (most?) the part of a young man's brain that assesses risk is not well developed before about the mid-20's. This is no excuse for bad choices but it does help to explain why they happen and the ongoing challenge that society has with young male lawlessness. Having unreal expectations about male college athletes sure does not qualify as a solution.
Jerry Punch
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LOL. I admitted the hypocrisy at the beginning by admitting to being a legitimate dumbass. But I also qualified it with "I wasn't an athlete."
So, tell me again, should we cut these "young guns" a break even when they break the law? I wouldn't have deserved one. Why do they?
So, tell me again, should we cut these "young guns" a break even when they break the law? I wouldn't have deserved one. Why do they?
Jerry Punch said:
While I know that college kids will drink (and sometimes drink and drive) and will get into some fights or skirmishes, and do stupid things, I have rarely, if ever, used the boys will be boys argument to justify bad behavior, nor do I recall many other UM fans doing that. Punch and people like him seem to like to just make up this stuff, because they can't otherwise justify what they are saying. Not only is Punch a hypocrite, he's a liar. If a player or anyone actually commits a crime, and the law enforcement procedures are properly followed, I'm fine with the punishment being given out and with the university following its own rules and procedures. However, if the actions don't constitute an offense or the actions have not been properly charged, then I fully believe in the US and state constitutional protections and procedures. It's surprising how many posters on this board apparently don't believe in the US Constitution.
Jerry Punch said:
Who ever suggested that athletes should get a break if they break the law? I don't recall anyone suggesting that. You, however, seem to be unable to discern what it means to break the law or what the difference between an allegation or rumor and actually breaking the law. You also don't understand US and state constitutional guarantees. You apparently don't believe that the police/prosecutors nor the university should follow the law and their own rules and procedures.
sticks and stones.......may hurt me ..........but words never will.........
Some of us need to get over the "bad" press and move on.
My guess is that one of these Griz players (that get sports page headlines) will one day de-nounce the Missoulian and put the paper right in the garbage bin where it belongs!
Some of us need to get over the "bad" press and move on.
My guess is that one of these Griz players (that get sports page headlines) will one day de-nounce the Missoulian and put the paper right in the garbage bin where it belongs!
Jerry Punch
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Umista said:
As it should be. The paper is a joke, much like city hall.
As I said earlier, there are great stories out there that don't get enough attention. Like Levandar Segars doing counseling, as a good example. The Gazette just did a big thing on mental illness in Montana and that would have been a great segway to mention Segars' work on that important issue. Just an idea for the Missoulian.
Do I need to copyright that so those a-holes don't write a good story without giving me credit?
