Letter from PAC-12 to other major conferences

[Grisly Fan]

http://www.oregonlive.com/pac-12/in..._overhaul_player_st.html#incart_river_default

Excerpt:

The full list of proposals included in the letter are:
•Permit institutions to make scholarship awards up to the full cost of attendance.
•Provide reasonable ongoing medical or insurance assistance for student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury in competition or practice. Continue efforts to reduce the incidence of disabling injury.
•Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.
•Decrease the demands placed on the athlete in-season, correspondingly increase the time available for studies and campus life, by preventing the abuse of organized "voluntary" practices to circumvent the limit of 20 hours per week and more realistically assess the time away from campus and other commitments during the season.
•Similarly decrease time demands out of season by reducing out-of-season competition and practices, and by considering shorter seasons in specific sports.
•Further strengthen the Academic Progress Rate requirements for postseason play.
•Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA and its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.
•Provide student-athletes a meaningful role in governance at the conference and NCAA levels.
•Adjust existing restrictions so that student-athletes preparing for the next stage of their careers are not unnecessarily deprived of the advice and counsel of agents and other competent professionals, but without professionalizing intercollegiate athletics.
•Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.

 

[PlayerRep]

All look reasonable and like good ideas to me. Also looks like they are trying to head off potential unionization. Of course, the things that cost money will have impacts on lesser programs. But so what; that's life. Now if the Pac-12 could also suggest and enforce similar limitations on run-away kids sports programs.

 

[grizd]

Looks good to me except the one and done piece. Most of these should be proposed by a well functioning NCAA that is supposedly right there with the athlete the whole way according to their TV ads. As for the one and done why punish a kid that has the opportunity to make millions in the NBA. There is a good chance a major injury during the additional year could wipe out that dream and to me that's not right. If the kid knowingly gives up college and fails in the NBA then it's a decision the kid has to live with. If he's successful he will make more in his first contract than most of his college classmates will their entire career.

 

[PlayerRep]

Looks good to me except the one and done piece. Most of these should be proposed by a well functioning NCAA that is supposedly right there with the athlete the whole way according to their TV ads. As for the one and done why punish a kid that has the opportunity to make millions in the NBA. There is a good chance a major injury during the additional year could wipe out that dream and to me that's not right. If the kid knowingly gives up college and fails in the NBA then it's a decision the kid has to live with. If he's successful he will make more in his first contract than most of his college classmates will their entire career.

While those are valid points, my view is that one-and-done results in a lot of bad press and significantly undercuts the credibility of the ncaa and college sports. While many players go from college to the pros, college is not and should not be a minor league for professional sports teams. One-and-done is not healthy for college sports and their credibility. Student-athlete? Are you kidding me? There needs to be a bit more balance. Risk of injury is just something a player may need to consider. No one is making them play in college. If a kid wants to go from high school to the pro's, that's fine with me. It's their decision.

 

[grizd]

Looks good to me except the one and done piece. Most of these should be proposed by a well functioning NCAA that is supposedly right there with the athlete the whole way according to their TV ads. As for the one and done why punish a kid that has the opportunity to make millions in the NBA. There is a good chance a major injury during the additional year could wipe out that dream and to me that's not right. If the kid knowingly gives up college and fails in the NBA then it's a decision the kid has to live with. If he's successful he will make more in his first contract than most of his college classmates will their entire career.

While those are valid points, my view is that one-and-done results in a lot of bad press and significantly undercuts the credibility of the ncaa and college sports. While many players go from college to the pros, college is not and should not be a minor league for professional sports teams. One-and-done is not healthy for college sports and their credibility. Student-athlete? Are you kidding me? There needs to be a bit more balance. Risk of injury is just something a player may need to consider. No one is making them play in college. If a kid wants to go from high school to the pro's, that's fine with me. It's their decision.

That's the problem, the NCAA/NBA is forcing these kids to attend college because they can't go straight to the pros based on a rule they passed. The alternative is to have the best high school players avoid college all together and go to the D-League and that's a losing proposition for CBB fans and the players themselves. If a kid in the Computer Science program creates a new app and gets offered millions should he/she have to wait to sell it until they have a degree? If they do their product will become older and less valuable over time.

 

[grizpsych]

How in the fvck are these real suggestions?

 

[ordigger]

Looks good to me except the one and done piece. Most of these should be proposed by a well functioning NCAA that is supposedly right there with the athlete the whole way according to their TV ads. As for the one and done why punish a kid that has the opportunity to make millions in the NBA. There is a good chance a major injury during the additional year could wipe out that dream and to me that's not right. If the kid knowingly gives up college and fails in the NBA then it's a decision the kid has to live with. If he's successful he will make more in his first contract than most of his college classmates will their entire career.

While those are valid points, my view is that one-and-done results in a lot of bad press and significantly undercuts the credibility of the ncaa and college sports. While many players go from college to the pros, college is not and should not be a minor league for professional sports teams. One-and-done is not healthy for college sports and their credibility. Student-athlete? Are you kidding me? There needs to be a bit more balance. Risk of injury is just something a player may need to consider. No one is making them play in college. If a kid wants to go from high school to the pro's, that's fine with me. It's their decision.

That's the problem, the NCAA/NBA is forcing these kids to attend college because they can't go straight to the pros based on a rule they passed. The alternative is to have the best high school players avoid college all together and go to the D-League and that's a losing proposition for CBB fans and the players themselves. If a kid in the Computer Science program creates a new app and gets offered millions should he/she have to wait to sell it until they have a degree? If they do their product will become older and less valuable over time.

Works for baseball, and has for years.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

Op-ed from Boise president Kustra

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/05/21/3195511/boise-state-president-bob-kustra.html?sp=/99/101/1272/1805/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[grizd]

Looks good to me except the one and done piece. Most of these should be proposed by a well functioning NCAA that is supposedly right there with the athlete the whole way according to their TV ads. As for the one and done why punish a kid that has the opportunity to make millions in the NBA. There is a good chance a major injury during the additional year could wipe out that dream and to me that's not right. If the kid knowingly gives up college and fails in the NBA then it's a decision the kid has to live with. If he's successful he will make more in his first contract than most of his college classmates will their entire career.

While those are valid points, my view is that one-and-done results in a lot of bad press and significantly undercuts the credibility of the ncaa and college sports. While many players go from college to the pros, college is not and should not be a minor league for professional sports teams. One-and-done is not healthy for college sports and their credibility. Student-athlete? Are you kidding me? There needs to be a bit more balance. Risk of injury is just something a player may need to consider. No one is making them play in college. If a kid wants to go from high school to the pro's, that's fine with me. It's their decision.

That's the problem, the NCAA/NBA is forcing these kids to attend college because they can't go straight to the pros based on a rule they passed. The alternative is to have the best high school players avoid college all together and go to the D-League and that's a losing proposition for CBB fans and the players themselves. If a kid in the Computer Science program creates a new app and gets offered millions should he/she have to wait to sell it until they have a degree? If they do their product will become older and less valuable over time.

Works for baseball, and has for years.

Except a top mlb high school pick headed to the minors gets millions in guaranteed money. If the NBA can't draft high school seniors do you think a D-League team is going to increase their team salary cap of 173,000 a year? The average d-league salary is roughly $17k. The Blue Jays gave their 30th round pick to a $850,000 signing bonus. It's a close comparison but on principle I don't get why these kids "harming the ncaa" is so bad but the ncaa is okay with harming the kids future.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Op-ed from Boise president Kustra

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/05/21/3195511/boise-state-president-bob-kustra.html?sp=/99/101/1272/1805/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good stuff right there.

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

While those are valid points, my view is that one-and-done results in a lot of bad press and significantly undercuts the credibility of the ncaa and college sports. While many players go from college to the pros, college is not and should not be a minor league for professional sports teams. One-and-done is not healthy for college sports and their credibility. Student-athlete? Are you kidding me? There needs to be a bit more balance. Risk of injury is just something a player may need to consider. No one is making them play in college. If a kid wants to go from high school to the pro's, that's fine with me. It's their decision.

That's the problem, the NCAA/NBA is forcing these kids to attend college because they can't go straight to the pros based on a rule they passed. The alternative is to have the best high school players avoid college all together and go to the D-League and that's a losing proposition for CBB fans and the players themselves. If a kid in the Computer Science program creates a new app and gets offered millions should he/she have to wait to sell it until they have a degree? If they do their product will become older and less valuable over time.

Works for baseball, and has for years.

Except a top mlb high school pick headed to the minors gets millions in guaranteed money. If the NBA can't draft high school seniors do you think a D-League team is going to increase their team salary cap of 173,000 a year? The average d-league salary is roughly $17k. The Blue Jays gave their 30th round pick to a $850,000 signing bonus. It's a close comparison but on principle I don't get why these kids "harming the ncaa" is so bad but the ncaa is okay with harming the kids future.

Not after last year with the new CBA in MLB. The max signing bonus for a pick after the 10th round or later is 100 grand. Anything over that counts against the cap for the 1st ten slots.The Astros had about 11 million to sign their 10 last year. The penalties for going over even slightly are severe, including losing picks in the next years draft. The days of Boras getting say, Strausburg a multi million dollar bonus are over.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Looks good to me except the one and done piece. Most of these should be proposed by a well functioning NCAA that is supposedly right there with the athlete the whole way according to their TV ads. As for the one and done why punish a kid that has the opportunity to make millions in the NBA. There is a good chance a major injury during the additional year could wipe out that dream and to me that's not right. If the kid knowingly gives up college and fails in the NBA then it's a decision the kid has to live with. If he's successful he will make more in his first contract than most of his college classmates will their entire career.

While those are valid points, my view is that one-and-done results in a lot of bad press and significantly undercuts the credibility of the ncaa and college sports. While many players go from college to the pros, college is not and should not be a minor league for professional sports teams. One-and-done is not healthy for college sports and their credibility. Student-athlete? Are you kidding me? There needs to be a bit more balance. Risk of injury is just something a player may need to consider. No one is making them play in college. If a kid wants to go from high school to the pro's, that's fine with me. It's their decision.

That's the problem, the NCAA/NBA is forcing these kids to attend college because they can't go straight to the pros.

Perfectly wrong.

Sincerely,
Brandon Jennings

 

[PlayerRep]

Looks good to me except the one and done piece. Most of these should be proposed by a well functioning NCAA that is supposedly right there with the athlete the whole way according to their TV ads. As for the one and done why punish a kid that has the opportunity to make millions in the NBA. There is a good chance a major injury during the additional year could wipe out that dream and to me that's not right. If the kid knowingly gives up college and fails in the NBA then it's a decision the kid has to live with. If he's successful he will make more in his first contract than most of his college classmates will their entire career.

While those are valid points, my view is that one-and-done results in a lot of bad press and significantly undercuts the credibility of the ncaa and college sports. While many players go from college to the pros, college is not and should not be a minor league for professional sports teams. One-and-done is not healthy for college sports and their credibility. Student-athlete? Are you kidding me? There needs to be a bit more balance. Risk of injury is just something a player may need to consider. No one is making them play in college. If a kid wants to go from high school to the pro's, that's fine with me. It's their decision.

That's the problem, the NCAA/NBA is forcing these kids to attend college because they can't go straight to the pros based on a rule they passed. The alternative is to have the best high school players avoid college all together and go to the D-League and that's a losing proposition for CBB fans and the players themselves. If a kid in the Computer Science program creates a new app and gets offered millions should he/she have to wait to sell it until they have a degree? If they do their product will become older and less valuable over time.

Huh, no one is forcing any kids to go to college. They can go, from high school, anywhere they want (except NBA). What's wrong with Europe, etc.?

Computer science is clearly part of the mission of a university. Any college kid who creates a great new app during college is obviously doing something related to the mission of the university.

While not relevant, a top-notch kid playing more than one year in college, probably increases his chance of being a higher draft choice by staying longer in college. Staying in college another year or two doesn't result in his worth go down, unless he get injured.

 

[OrgonGriz]

What would be interesting is if the Big 5 would allow a few BSU type programs a chance of being in there conferences. BSU in PAC, but would have to maintain winning etc to remain. At least they get a shot that way.

What would be interesting is if teams that performed poorly in the Big 5 had to rotate out so a "mid major" ala BSU to rotate in.

Let's say WSU in the PAC has 4 consecutive loosing seasons they would rotate out and say a SDSU (San Diego State ) had been doing very well and they could rotate in to fill that WSU spot. This surely would give opportunity to the mid majors and force the Big 5 teams to make sure they maintained there programs and wins.

In a sense you could tie in a mid major Conf in with a Big 5 Conf. Tie in the MWC in with the PAC, SBC with SEC, CUSA with Big12 etc.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Looks good to me except the one and done piece. Most of these should be proposed by a well functioning NCAA that is supposedly right there with the athlete the whole way according to their TV ads. As for the one and done why punish a kid that has the opportunity to make millions in the NBA. There is a good chance a major injury during the additional year could wipe out that dream and to me that's not right. If the kid knowingly gives up college and fails in the NBA then it's a decision the kid has to live with. If he's successful he will make more in his first contract than most of his college classmates will their entire career.

While those are valid points, my view is that one-and-done results in a lot of bad press and significantly undercuts the credibility of the ncaa and college sports. While many players go from college to the pros, college is not and should not be a minor league for professional sports teams. One-and-done is not healthy for college sports and their credibility. Student-athlete? Are you kidding me? There needs to be a bit more balance. Risk of injury is just something a player may need to consider. No one is making them play in college. If a kid wants to go from high school to the pro's, that's fine with me. It's their decision.

That's the problem, the NCAA/NBA is forcing these kids to attend college because they can't go straight to the pros based on a rule they passed. The alternative is to have the best high school players avoid college all together and go to the D-League and that's a losing proposition for CBB fans and the players themselves. If a kid in the Computer Science program creates a new app and gets offered millions should he/she have to wait to sell it until they have a degree? If they do their product will become older and less valuable over time.

Works for baseball, and has for years.

Not really. In Baseball you can go pro out of high school, but once you enroll in a four-year University you have to stay there for 3 years.

 

[Ken Jones]

http://www.oregonlive.com/pac-12/in..._overhaul_player_st.html#incart_river_default

Excerpt:

The full list of proposals included in the letter are:
•Permit institutions to make scholarship awards up to the full cost of attendance.
•Provide reasonable ongoing medical or insurance assistance for student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury in competition or practice. Continue efforts to reduce the incidence of disabling injury.
•Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.
•Decrease the demands placed on the athlete in-season, correspondingly increase the time available for studies and campus life, by preventing the abuse of organized "voluntary" practices to circumvent the limit of 20 hours per week and more realistically assess the time away from campus and other commitments during the season.
•Similarly decrease time demands out of season by reducing out-of-season competition and practices, and by considering shorter seasons in specific sports.
•Further strengthen the Academic Progress Rate requirements for postseason play.
•Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA and its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.
•Provide student-athletes a meaningful role in governance at the conference and NCAA levels.
•Adjust existing restrictions so that student-athletes preparing for the next stage of their careers are not unnecessarily deprived of the advice and counsel of agents and other competent professionals, but without professionalizing intercollegiate athletics.
•Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.

It's 'bout time ... still more needs to be provide ... start with this addendum:

•Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.

Add to this list remedial classes (Summer) and tutors to keep the student-athletes in good academic standing.

 

[MrTitleist]

Op-ed from Boise president Kustra

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/05/21/3195511/boise-state-president-bob-kustra.html?sp=/99/101/1272/1805/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good stuff right there.

It's not good stuff. Kustra is stupid on so many levels. He bitches about the greed of the "big 5" but yet held two conferences hostage to get as much money possible for his Broncos and the Mountain West basically gave him the majority of the pie. Kustra is a hypocrite and deserves the flaming he's gotten by the national media this week.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

http://www.oregonlive.com/pac-12/in..._overhaul_player_st.html#incart_river_default

Excerpt:

The full list of proposals included in the letter are:
•Permit institutions to make scholarship awards up to the full cost of attendance.
•Provide reasonable ongoing medical or insurance assistance for student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury in competition or practice. Continue efforts to reduce the incidence of disabling injury.
•Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.
•Decrease the demands placed on the athlete in-season, correspondingly increase the time available for studies and campus life, by preventing the abuse of organized "voluntary" practices to circumvent the limit of 20 hours per week and more realistically assess the time away from campus and other commitments during the season.
•Similarly decrease time demands out of season by reducing out-of-season competition and practices, and by considering shorter seasons in specific sports.
•Further strengthen the Academic Progress Rate requirements for postseason play.
•Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA and its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.
•Provide student-athletes a meaningful role in governance at the conference and NCAA levels.
•Adjust existing restrictions so that student-athletes preparing for the next stage of their careers are not unnecessarily deprived of the advice and counsel of agents and other competent professionals, but without professionalizing intercollegiate athletics.
•Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.

It's 'bout time ... still more needs to be provide ... start with this addendum:

•Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.

Add to this list remedial classes (Summer) and tutors to keep the student-athletes in good academic standing.

•Provide student athletes with an academic center, not open to the rest of the student body, with academic support personnel (state-funded) whose sole job is to keep the student athletes eligible.
•Require academic support personnel to create student athletes' schedules making sure that no time conflicts exist and the student athlete will progress toward a degree.
•Allow student athletes on scholarship to pay no tuition/fees, and receive free housing, as long as they perform adequately in their sport and remain academically eligible.
•Decrease time demands in season, and decrease time demands out of season (already mentioned).

 

[TxGriz]

Paying players and unionization is a rock profitable college football programs don't really want to turn over, or a Pandora's box they don't want to open to search for the proper metaphor.

In the age of trillion dollar deficits the IRS is showing interest in profitable athletic programs being run by tax exempt organizations, as well as huge facilities being built and operated with tax deductible charitable contributions.

I'm sure the PAC-12 conference with it's $20 million dollar Fox television contract in hand is taking what it sees as proactive action to head off any talk of paying players and and other nightmare scenarios that could potentially lead to.