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Let's talk Fall camp, offense first

go96griz said:
BWahlberg said:
I believe the Griz report in a little over a week, let's get some talk going on the roster and what to look for this fall camp. Observational/guess at a 2-deep right here (let's just assume some of these I'm dead wrong with)

G: Martin / Villanueva
G: Pillans / Hart
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What I'm going to watch

1. Both guard spots could be an interesting one. Martin took over Villanueva's spot halfway through the season amidst some chatter that Angel was dealing with some injury issues. Is Angel back and ready to get after it in his senior season? Could he push for his job back? On the other side JuCo Pillans grabbed the first team job early in spring ball but Dallas Hart who had that spot locked down all of last year until a late fall camp injury is presumably healthy and back at it. Both spots could be a battle and that's not even adding in other/younger guys who could push.

Regarding Angel, I had heard he needed shoulder surgery last season and found this out right before fall camp. He supposedly played without the surgery due to concerns about the O-line and lack of depth. Not sure if he had surgery but I assume the injury is what held him up last season.

Regarding Dallas, I heard early this summer that he was retiring due to injuries. That information came from another athlete, but I haven't seen confirmation from any other source.

Sorry to interrupt the pissing matches going on, but I have confirmed that Dallas Hart has medically retired from football. He tore his ACL on the first day of summer conditioning. This information came straight from his mouth. I talked to him today while checking out at Lowes where he’s working. Nice kid, too bad for him.
 
New-look Grizzly O-Line bigger and better in 2019

In the seven days before Montana's first fall camp practice, GoGriz.com will bring you seven stories previewing seven different position groups. Wrapping it all up: the offensive line and tight ends.

Returners
Sean Anderson - R-Fr. - OT
Conlan Beaver - R-Jr. - OT
Colin Bingham - R-Sr. - TE
Gerrit Bloemendaal - R-Fr. - OG
Colten Curry - R-Fr. - TE
Dylan Cook - R-So. - OT
Bryson Deming - R-So. - TE
Dylan Eickmeyer - R-Jr. - OG
Tyler Ganoung - R-Fr. - OG
Cody Kanouse - So. - OG
Colton Keintz - R-So. - OT
Esai Longoria - R-Jr. - OG
Skyler Martin - R-So. - OG
Conor Quick - R-Fr. - C
Matt Rensvold - R-So. - TE
Cole Sain - R-Fr. - C
Cy Sirmon - R-Sr. - C
Angel Villanueva - R-Sr. - OG
Trevor Welnel - R-Fr. - OT

Additions
Noah Ambuehl - Fr. - TE
Johnny Barthel - Fr. - OL
Dillon Botner - Fr. - OL/ATH
Colin Dreis - Fr. - OL
Joey Elwell - Fr. - TE
Moses Mallory - Jr. - OG
Kordell Pillans - R-Jr. - OG
Dumitru Salagor - Fr. - OL

Losses
Brennan Corbin
Dallas Hart
Cody Hartsoch
Caleb Hill
Cody Meyer
Max Morris
Jake Olsen
Brandon Scott
Payton Stoner

The Montana Grizzlies hit the weight room for the first time at fall camp on Monday morning, and also hit the scales to gather official weights and heights.

While weights are naturally always in flux, nowhere are those measurements more important than on the offensive line and tight ends.

The weigh-in gave both players and fans a quantifiable snapshot of the progress the Griz made over the summer. Head Coach Bobby Hauck has called this the best summer session he's ever been around, and a quick glance at the updated measurements back up that claim.

The Grizzly O-line will look a whole lot heftier in 2019 thanks to some offseason additions and big-time progress made in the weight room by the group's youngsters who were thrust into a starting position a year ago, and at times struggled to assert itself.

"The place that probably inhibited us from winning more games last year the most was probably the O-line. It was a tough situation in terms of injury, youth, and lack of depth. I was proud of those guys for owning up to it week in and week out, and fighting their tails off. They have continued to do that in the offseason," says Hauck.

"We are still young there, relatively inexperienced even though a lot of them have played some. I am hoping what I perceive to be tremendous growth by that group in the offseason shows up on the field."

Tremendous growth indeed.

In 2018, Montana's starting front five at the end of the season (Conlan Beaver, Skyler Martin, Cody Meyer, Cy Sirmon, and Colton Keintz) averaged 281 pounds and consisted of two freshmen, one sophomore, and two juniors: one a former walk-on and the other a converted linebacker.

In 2019, some sizable puzzle pieces are starting to be put in place that could make the Grizzly O-line one of the best in the league.

Beaver now checks in above 300 pounds for the first time in his career, Martin has packed on 12 pounds in the offseason, Sirmon has moved to center and added 18 pounds to check in at a strong 290, and Keintz reported to camp at an eye-catching 6-foot-8, 304 pounds with 17 pounds gained in the offseason.

Also gained in the offseason: two mountainous transfers that could change the look of the O-line entirely should they work their way into the starting lineup. Kordell Pillans joined the team in the spring as a junior guard transfer from Mesa Community College and checked in at 333 pounds. Junior guard Moses Mallory, who once held an offer from West Virginia, came to Missoula this summer, and reported to camp as the heaviest player on the team at 350.

If the two transfers earn a starting spot, the average weight of the O-line suddenly jumps from 281 pounds to 316 pounds, a 35-pound swing that could give the entire offense the ability to better impose its will. But the final look of the group may take time to develop.

"A year ago, we had to play a lot of really young players. When you've got freshman up front on offense, it's probably not a good thing. Those guys should be in the weight room for two more years before they get out there, and just aren't ready to move people around," added Hauck.

"Adding two more mature veteran players with some size inside will help us. Obviously, Kordell was with us this spring, so he is way ahead. I wouldn't anticipate Moses being game ready early on, but he is a guy that had a lot of offers, has good size, and can move his feet. As this will be his first time running through the offense, he'll have a lot of learning to do that others have already had, and he'll have to catch up with the division-one level of play.

While Mallory adds depth to the guard position, he won't just be handed a starting job. Senior Angel Villanueva has started 29 games for the Grizzlies and has done the opposite of most other linemen on the team this year: he's dropped weight to check in at 301 pounds.

The result is a leaner and more agile option at guard that should improve his footwork in the trenches while not giving up the strength to hold off defenders.

"At the left guard position right now is kind of open. My hope is that Angel can take that job. He is down about 30 pounds, he is moving around better, and his health is better," said Hauck.

"So, whoever knocks the guy opposite them off the ball the best will be the guy that starts there. But he has some young guys that are really challenging in there, it will be an interesting battle in training camp."

Also set to be a senior leader on the offensive line is Sirmon, who swapped sides of the ball in fall camp last season and quickly earned a starting job at guard despite being undersized. Now he moves to center where his newfound size and strength will combine with the footwork and football smarts of a former linebacker to be a commander up front.

"Cy has done a great job in leading the group in the offseason. He is a really good athlete, meaning we can do a lot with different things at center, even pulling him some. He is football savvy enough to make a lot of calls and get things right," added Hauck.

"So, he has a tremendous upside in there and is big enough to handle it this year. A year ago, he was probably 20 pounds underweight and just not ready to be a dominant player in there, but I think he will have a great year."

When Hauk resumed the head coaching duties at Montana in 2017, he inherited a sizeable group of receivers that were recruited to serve as H-backs, a sort of hybrid receiver/tight end.

Now two years in, those players have all been transitioned into a more traditional tight end role, and have needed to bulk up to assume the required blocking duties that come with the position.

Leading the tight ends in 2019 is senior Colin Bingham, a Missoula native (and son of Grizzly Sports Hall of Famer Guy Bingham) who has appeared in 31 games at UM, catching 40 passes for 425 yards and five touchdowns.

He'll be the senior statesman in a deep group that could be dominant for the Griz in years to come, with sophomores Matt Rensvold and Bryson Deming each possessing comparable size and length, and having provided useful minutes as freshmen.

"The tight ends are all growing up. I used to give Bingham a hard time when I first walked in the door a year and a half ago. I'd say 'you haven't had a carb in three years. Have at it, we want you to get big.' I think he is probably closing in on 245 or 250 and looks good. Same with the two young sophomore tight ends. So, I like that group, and I think some of our young kids will push, not sure if they can break into the lineup or not but we will see. But, I like our tight ends," said Hauck.

Having a group of tight ends as capable as this will also allow Hauck and offensive coordinator Timm Rosenbach to vary the offense to compliment UM's dangerous group of wide receivers.

"If you take one of the wide receivers the field to put a tight end in, that's great, but vice versa you have to take a good tight end off the field to put a receiver in," Hauck added.

"You only get to play with 11, so we will have multiple personnel groups, and I like where that is."

Montana opens its fall camp practice schedule on Tuesday afternoon at 2:30 at UM's Dornblaser Field.
 
I am just highlighting a few select comments from the GoGriz.com OL article (Note: I highlighted the whole discussion on the OL due to optimism.) This information, by the way, provides absolutely no evidence of improvement because we all know the proof is in the pudding and improvement can't be determined until the OL has played several games against top competition. There is no reason to be excited about improvement due to added experience, weight gains, weight loss, player health, position depth, touted transfers, DOLA, coach enthusiasm, etc. ;)

For those naysayers, read between the lines and you will see that Bobby thinks the Griz have an O-line.

The Grizzly O-line will look a whole lot heftier in 2019 thanks to some offseason additions and big-time progress made in the weight room by the group's youngsters who were thrust into a starting position a year ago, and at times struggled to assert itself.

"The place that probably inhibited us from winning more games last year the most was probably the O-line. It was a tough situation in terms of injury, youth, and lack of depth. I was proud of those guys for owning up to it week in and week out, and fighting their tails off. They have continued to do that in the offseason," says Hauck.

"We are still young there, relatively inexperienced even though a lot of them have played some. I am hoping what I perceive to be tremendous growth by that group in the offseason shows up on the field."

Tremendous growth indeed.

In 2018, Montana's starting front five at the end of the season (Conlan Beaver, Skyler Martin, Cody Meyer, Cy Sirmon, and Colton Keintz) averaged 281 pounds and consisted of two freshmen, one sophomore, and two juniors: one a former walk-on and the other a converted linebacker.

In 2019, some sizable puzzle pieces are starting to be put in place that could make the Grizzly O-line one of the best in the league.

Beaver now checks in above 300 pounds for the first time in his career, Martin has packed on 12 pounds in the offseason, Sirmon has moved to center and added 18 pounds to check in at a strong 290, and Keintz reported to camp at an eye-catching 6-foot-8, 304 pounds with 17 pounds gained in the offseason.

Also gained in the offseason: two mountainous transfers that could change the look of the O-line entirely should they work their way into the starting lineup. Kordell Pillans joined the team in the spring as a junior guard transfer from Mesa Community College and checked in at 333 pounds. Junior guard Moses Mallory, who once held an offer from West Virginia, came to Missoula this summer, and reported to camp as the heaviest player on the team at 350.

If the two transfers earn a starting spot, the average weight of the O-line suddenly jumps from 281 pounds to 316 pounds, a 35-pound swing that could give the entire offense the ability to better impose its will. But the final look of the group may take time to develop.

"A year ago, we had to play a lot of really young players. When you've got freshman up front on offense, it's probably not a good thing. Those guys should be in the weight room for two more years before they get out there, and just aren't ready to move people around," added Hauck.

"Adding two more mature veteran players with some size inside will help us. Obviously, Kordell was with us this spring, so he is way ahead. I wouldn't anticipate Moses being game ready early on, but he is a guy that had a lot of offers, has good size, and can move his feet. As this will be his first time running through the offense, he'll have a lot of learning to do that others have already had, and he'll have to catch up with the division-one level of play.

While Mallory adds depth to the guard position, he won't just be handed a starting job. Senior Angel Villanueva has started 29 games for the Grizzlies and has done the opposite of most other linemen on the team this year: he's dropped weight to check in at 301 pounds.

The result is a leaner and more agile option at guard that should improve his footwork in the trenches while not giving up the strength to hold off defenders.

"At the left guard position right now is kind of open. My hope is that Angel can take that job. He is down about 30 pounds, he is moving around better, and his health is better," said Hauck.

"So, whoever knocks the guy opposite them off the ball the best will be the guy that starts there. But he has some young guys that are really challenging in there, it will be an interesting battle in training camp."

Also set to be a senior leader on the offensive line is Sirmon, who swapped sides of the ball in fall camp last season and quickly earned a starting job at guard despite being undersized. Now he moves to center where his newfound size and strength will combine with the footwork and football smarts of a former linebacker to be a commander up front.

"Cy has done a great job in leading the group in the offseason. He is a really good athlete, meaning we can do a lot with different things at center, even pulling him some. He is football savvy enough to make a lot of calls and get things right," added Hauck.

"So, he has a tremendous upside in there and is big enough to handle it this year. A year ago, he was probably 20 pounds underweight and just not ready to be a dominant player in there, but I think he will have a great year."
 
It's crazy to think that nearly every single hugely hyped Stitt OL recruit that we were counting on barely ever even saw the field. I think the OL will be night and day from last season.
 
go96griz said:
I am just highlighting a few select comments from the GoGriz.com OL article (Note: I highlighted the whole discussion on the OL due to optimism.) This information, by the way, provides absolutely no evidence of improvement because we all know the proof is in the pudding and improvement can't be determined until the OL has played several games against top competition. There is no reason to be excited about improvement due to added experience, weight gains, weight loss, player health, position depth, touted transfers, DOLA, coach enthusiasm, etc. ;)

For those naysayers, read between the lines and you will see that Bobby thinks the Griz have an O-line.

The Grizzly O-line will look a whole lot heftier in 2019 thanks to some offseason additions and big-time progress made in the weight room by the group's youngsters who were thrust into a starting position a year ago, and at times struggled to assert itself.

"The place that probably inhibited us from winning more games last year the most was probably the O-line. It was a tough situation in terms of injury, youth, and lack of depth. I was proud of those guys for owning up to it week in and week out, and fighting their tails off. They have continued to do that in the offseason," says Hauck.

"We are still young there, relatively inexperienced even though a lot of them have played some. I am hoping what I perceive to be tremendous growth by that group in the offseason shows up on the field."

Tremendous growth indeed.

In 2018, Montana's starting front five at the end of the season (Conlan Beaver, Skyler Martin, Cody Meyer, Cy Sirmon, and Colton Keintz) averaged 281 pounds and consisted of two freshmen, one sophomore, and two juniors: one a former walk-on and the other a converted linebacker.

In 2019, some sizable puzzle pieces are starting to be put in place that could make the Grizzly O-line one of the best in the league.

Beaver now checks in above 300 pounds for the first time in his career, Martin has packed on 12 pounds in the offseason, Sirmon has moved to center and added 18 pounds to check in at a strong 290, and Keintz reported to camp at an eye-catching 6-foot-8, 304 pounds with 17 pounds gained in the offseason.

Also gained in the offseason: two mountainous transfers that could change the look of the O-line entirely should they work their way into the starting lineup. Kordell Pillans joined the team in the spring as a junior guard transfer from Mesa Community College and checked in at 333 pounds. Junior guard Moses Mallory, who once held an offer from West Virginia, came to Missoula this summer, and reported to camp as the heaviest player on the team at 350.

If the two transfers earn a starting spot, the average weight of the O-line suddenly jumps from 281 pounds to 316 pounds, a 35-pound swing that could give the entire offense the ability to better impose its will. But the final look of the group may take time to develop.

"A year ago, we had to play a lot of really young players. When you've got freshman up front on offense, it's probably not a good thing. Those guys should be in the weight room for two more years before they get out there, and just aren't ready to move people around," added Hauck.

"Adding two more mature veteran players with some size inside will help us. Obviously, Kordell was with us this spring, so he is way ahead. I wouldn't anticipate Moses being game ready early on, but he is a guy that had a lot of offers, has good size, and can move his feet. As this will be his first time running through the offense, he'll have a lot of learning to do that others have already had, and he'll have to catch up with the division-one level of play.

While Mallory adds depth to the guard position, he won't just be handed a starting job. Senior Angel Villanueva has started 29 games for the Grizzlies and has done the opposite of most other linemen on the team this year: he's dropped weight to check in at 301 pounds.

The result is a leaner and more agile option at guard that should improve his footwork in the trenches while not giving up the strength to hold off defenders.

"At the left guard position right now is kind of open. My hope is that Angel can take that job. He is down about 30 pounds, he is moving around better, and his health is better," said Hauck.

"So, whoever knocks the guy opposite them off the ball the best will be the guy that starts there. But he has some young guys that are really challenging in there, it will be an interesting battle in training camp."

Also set to be a senior leader on the offensive line is Sirmon, who swapped sides of the ball in fall camp last season and quickly earned a starting job at guard despite being undersized. Now he moves to center where his newfound size and strength will combine with the footwork and football smarts of a former linebacker to be a commander up front.

"Cy has done a great job in leading the group in the offseason. He is a really good athlete, meaning we can do a lot with different things at center, even pulling him some. He is football savvy enough to make a lot of calls and get things right," added Hauck.

"So, he has a tremendous upside in there and is big enough to handle it this year. A year ago, he was probably 20 pounds underweight and just not ready to be a dominant player in there, but I think he will have a great year."

Sorry, but I see no evidence that there will be improvement in the o-line from last year. Another poster told me that. Ha.
 
BWahlberg said:
I believe the Griz report in a little over a week, let's get some talk going on the roster and what to look for this fall camp. Observational/guess at a 2-deep right here (let's just assume some of these I'm dead wrong with)

QB: Sneed / Humphrey
RB: Eastwood / Knight
TE: Bingham / Deming or Rensvold
WR: Akem / Roberts
WR: Toure / Flowers
WR: JLM / Sulser
T: Beaver / Welnel
T: Keintz / Anderson
G: Martin / Villanueva
G: Pillans / Hart
C: Sirmon / Sain

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What I'm going to watch

1. Both guard spots could be an interesting one. Martin took over Villanueva's spot halfway through the season amidst some chatter that Angel was dealing with some injury issues. Is Angel back and ready to get after it in his senior season? Could he push for his job back? On the other side JuCo Pillans grabbed the first team job early in spring ball but Dallas Hart who had that spot locked down all of last year until a late fall camp injury is presumably healthy and back at it. Both spots could be a battle and that's not even adding in other/younger guys who could push.

2. Running back was one position that I just didn't have the "warm fuzzies" with after spring ball. I believe Eastwood will show improvement with experience and I've seen that Knight has a good top gear and brings a good change of pace to the backfield. However I just don't see a "feature back" in this group. Concerned about Eastwood's overall agility/ability to get through the line and into the next level with good frequency and I'm concerned about Knight's ball security. Not meaning to knock these two guys and they're probably going to prove me wrong, haha. I still want to see Graves here, I just loved what he brought to the offense as a running back.

3. Tight End is a rotating door, not sure if that's really a "battle" per se, but it'll be interesting to see how they set up/share reps. Bingham's in his senior year and after presumably having some of his best talents not used by the prior staff's design this is his last shot to put it all together. Deming and Resnvold maybe the better run blockers but showed last year that they're useable passing-game options and solid RZ threats and good to line up in multiple spots, slot, TE, FB.

4. I want to see more consistency from Sneed. We've beat this dead horse about good Sneed vs bad Sneed from last year, if we can see far more "good Sneed" we'll see a far more efficient offense.

5. I think the starting trio of the WRs is solid, I want to see how some of these depth guys work in as contributors. We know Flowers is a hell of a return-man, and he had a great spring camp. Hopefully working Sulser in more than just getting a few touches as a "home run" threat. And then with guys like Roberts, Germer, and Burton - can they warrant some time to get reps? Additionally I'm really hoping to see a good gain in comfort and play from Toure who, in my opinion, seemed kind of "off" in this offense all of last year.
Knight is a playmaker and should be electrifying. Not sure why you are even bringing up ball security, with someone who has not played a game for the Griz yet. He looked amazing in the Spring game.
 
Kobezoey said:
Knight is a playmaker and should be electrifying. Not sure why you are even bringing up ball security, with someone who has not played a game for the Griz yet. He looked amazing in the Spring game.

Knight did have fumbles in the two Missoula scrimmages. Hoping it was bad luck and/or it has been fixed.
 
Kobezoey said:
BWahlberg said:
I believe the Griz report in a little over a week, let's get some talk going on the roster and what to look for this fall camp. Observational/guess at a 2-deep right here (let's just assume some of these I'm dead wrong with)

QB: Sneed / Humphrey
RB: Eastwood / Knight
TE: Bingham / Deming or Rensvold
WR: Akem / Roberts
WR: Toure / Flowers
WR: JLM / Sulser
T: Beaver / Welnel
T: Keintz / Anderson
G: Martin / Villanueva
G: Pillans / Hart
C: Sirmon / Sain

-------------

What I'm going to watch

1. Both guard spots could be an interesting one. Martin took over Villanueva's spot halfway through the season amidst some chatter that Angel was dealing with some injury issues. Is Angel back and ready to get after it in his senior season? Could he push for his job back? On the other side JuCo Pillans grabbed the first team job early in spring ball but Dallas Hart who had that spot locked down all of last year until a late fall camp injury is presumably healthy and back at it. Both spots could be a battle and that's not even adding in other/younger guys who could push.

2. Running back was one position that I just didn't have the "warm fuzzies" with after spring ball. I believe Eastwood will show improvement with experience and I've seen that Knight has a good top gear and brings a good change of pace to the backfield. However I just don't see a "feature back" in this group. Concerned about Eastwood's overall agility/ability to get through the line and into the next level with good frequency and I'm concerned about Knight's ball security. Not meaning to knock these two guys and they're probably going to prove me wrong, haha. I still want to see Graves here, I just loved what he brought to the offense as a running back.

3. Tight End is a rotating door, not sure if that's really a "battle" per se, but it'll be interesting to see how they set up/share reps. Bingham's in his senior year and after presumably having some of his best talents not used by the prior staff's design this is his last shot to put it all together. Deming and Resnvold maybe the better run blockers but showed last year that they're useable passing-game options and solid RZ threats and good to line up in multiple spots, slot, TE, FB.

4. I want to see more consistency from Sneed. We've beat this dead horse about good Sneed vs bad Sneed from last year, if we can see far more "good Sneed" we'll see a far more efficient offense.

5. I think the starting trio of the WRs is solid, I want to see how some of these depth guys work in as contributors. We know Flowers is a hell of a return-man, and he had a great spring camp. Hopefully working Sulser in more than just getting a few touches as a "home run" threat. And then with guys like Roberts, Germer, and Burton - can they warrant some time to get reps? Additionally I'm really hoping to see a good gain in comfort and play from Toure who, in my opinion, seemed kind of "off" in this offense all of last year.
Knight is a playmaker and should be electrifying. Not sure why you are even bringing up ball security, with someone who has not played a game for the Griz yet. He looked amazing in the Spring game.
Justin Green is very high on Knight and he wouldn't be if he thought there was a ball security problem. The kid fumbles a couple times very early in the spring when he hadn't even learned the offense and he has an inherent ball security problem. Give me a break. He has a burst that the other RBs don't have and you can't teach that. You can teach ball security. Best candidate we have for feature back.
 
Couldn't help but notice on the right side of this pic standing next to Dalton Sneed is Garrett Graves in a white jersey. Maybe the switch to running back has been made.

https://twitter.com/FrankGogola/status/1158838437308293122?s=19
 
dirtysoup said:
Couldn't help but notice on the right side of this pic standing next to Dalton Sneed is Garrett Graves in a white jersey. Maybe the switch to running back has been made.

https://twitter.com/FrankGogola/status/1158838437308293122?s=19
Didn't he wear a contact jersey this spring, while still playing QB? I may be mis-remembering, though.

edit: There is picture of him on the @montanagrizfootball instagram taking a handoff from Sneed, so maybe he did.
 
He played QB, RB and every special team in practice today. I th8nk they use him in too many places to wear black.
 
RayWill said:
PlayerRep said:
406 said:
He played QB, RB and every special team in practice today. I th8nk they use him in too many places to wear black.

The Missoulian says he threw 2 picks today.

Three actually. Twice by McGinnis and once by Nash

Yup.

"Sophomore safety Michael McGinnis, a Sidney native, picked off Eureka grad Garrett Graves twice in 7-on-7s and returned one for a score. Senior cornerback Kadeem Hemphill broke up two passes intended for Akem.

Nash got his interception when he picked off Graves."
 
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