Let's talk Fall camp, offense first

[AZGrizFan]

I will keep this football focused:

BW posted a projected 2 deep for the o-line.

Beaver and Keintz had 11 starts last season.
Martin had 4.
Simon had 9.
Pollans had 0.

This accounts for 34/55 possible starts last season for BWs projected upcoming season starters.

Add in Angel V's starts and you're up to 41/55 possible. Meyer's starts make up most of the difference (10) for 51/55; he is obviously gone.

Welnel had 0 - played in 11...not sure where?
Anderson had 0 - played in 3.
Hart had 0.
Saint had 0 - played in 1.

Pollans and Mallory are new and unproven.

Right now, this unit is essentially last year's o-line with additions and back ups that have essentially no or limited experience.

I am not as optimistic as many...I think they will be average to start the year. I do know BH has a knack for developing talent and generating in-season improvement. So, perhaps they elevate to good as the season progresses.

Many believe experience and off season work is magical. I don't. I think these guys are who they were. Hart, Pollans, and Mallory may be the key, but who knows. Perhaps Angel V. Is fully healed up. We'll know after first 3 games or if this unit can contribute to RTD - and not before that.

Well in theory, they should at the very LEAST pick up where they left off last year, with 41/55 starts returning, which was light years ahead of where they started last year. That experience gained certainly can’t HURT, can it? Add in Pullans and Mallory and a healthy Angel and I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[PlayerRep]

I will keep this football focused:

BW posted a projected 2 deep for the o-line.

Beaver and Keintz had 11 starts last season.
Martin had 4.
Simon had 9.
Pollans had 0.

This accounts for 34/55 possible starts last season for BWs projected upcoming season starters.

Add in Angel V's starts and you're up to 41/55 possible. Meyer's starts make up most of the difference (10) for 51/55; he is obviously gone.

Welnel had 0 - played in 11...not sure where?
Anderson had 0 - played in 3.
Hart had 0.
Saint had 0 - played in 1.

Pollans and Mallory are new and unproven.

Right now, this unit is essentially last year's o-line with additions and back ups that have essentially no or limited experience.

I am not as optimistic as many...I think they will be average to start the year. I do know BH has a knack for developing talent and generating in-season improvement. So, perhaps they elevate to good as the season progresses.

Many believe experience and off season work is magical. I don't. I think these guys are who they were. Hart, Pollans, and Mallory may be the key, but who knows. Perhaps Angel V. Is fully healed up. We'll know after first 3 games or if this unit can contribute to RTD - and not before that.

This is not last year’s o-line. This group is all a year older, and wiser, and stronger. There are 2 new good JC’S. There are redshirt frosh. There are true frosh.

How can you not see this?

Why are you so negative?

Sorry, but I am not going to let you say stupid stuff.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I will keep this football focused:

BW posted a projected 2 deep for the o-line.

Beaver and Keintz had 11 starts last season.
Martin had 4.
Simon had 9.
Pollans had 0.

This accounts for 34/55 possible starts last season for BWs projected upcoming season starters.

Add in Angel V's starts and you're up to 41/55 possible. Meyer's starts make up most of the difference (10) for 51/55; he is obviously gone.

Welnel had 0 - played in 11...not sure where?
Anderson had 0 - played in 3.
Hart had 0.
Saint had 0 - played in 1.

Pollans and Mallory are new and unproven.

Right now, this unit is essentially last year's o-line with additions and back ups that have essentially no or limited experience.

I am not as optimistic as many...I think they will be average to start the year. I do know BH has a knack for developing talent and generating in-season improvement. So, perhaps they elevate to good as the season progresses.

Many believe experience and off season work is magical. I don't. I think these guys are who they were. Hart, Pollans, and Mallory may be the key, but who knows. Perhaps Angel V. Is fully healed up. We'll know after first 3 games or if this unit can contribute to RTD - and not before that.

This is not last year’s o-line. This group is all a year older, and wiser, and stronger. There are 2 new good JC’S. There are redshirt frosh. There are true frosh.

How can you not see this?

Why are you so negative?

Sorry, but I am not going to let you say stupid stuff.

You're going to let me do whatever I want to do here on the interwebs.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I will keep this football focused:

BW posted a projected 2 deep for the o-line.

Beaver and Keintz had 11 starts last season.
Martin had 4.
Simon had 9.
Pollans had 0.

This accounts for 34/55 possible starts last season for BWs projected upcoming season starters.

Add in Angel V's starts and you're up to 41/55 possible. Meyer's starts make up most of the difference (10) for 51/55; he is obviously gone.

Welnel had 0 - played in 11...not sure where?
Anderson had 0 - played in 3.
Hart had 0.
Saint had 0 - played in 1.

Pollans and Mallory are new and unproven.

Right now, this unit is essentially last year's o-line with additions and back ups that have essentially no or limited experience.

I am not as optimistic as many...I think they will be average to start the year. I do know BH has a knack for developing talent and generating in-season improvement. So, perhaps they elevate to good as the season progresses.

Many believe experience and off season work is magical. I don't. I think these guys are who they were. Hart, Pollans, and Mallory may be the key, but who knows. Perhaps Angel V. Is fully healed up. We'll know after first 3 games or if this unit can contribute to RTD - and not before that.

Well in theory, they should at the very LEAST pick up where they left off last year, with 41/55 starts returning, which was light years ahead of where they started last year. That experience gained certainly can’t HURT, can it? Add in Pullans and Mallory and a healthy Angel and I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

The last play of the season and Sneed's legs beg to differ about last year....

But, I hope you are right.

 

[kemajic]

I am not as optimistic as many...

D'ya think?

 

[ilovethecats]

I am not as optimistic as many...

D'ya think?

:lol:

 

[ilovethecats]

From an outside perspective I don't know why a griz fan wouldn't be optimistic this season. You have one of the best players on defense in the league and the unit as a whole should be good. You have a gunslinger qb who can make plays with his arms and his legs. Your receivers are great. The offense in general should put up big numbers I believe. You got a coach in his second year back which is obviously good. And for the simple fact that your o-line couldn't be worse than last season, that should be promising as well.

If I was a griz fan my biggest concern would be the schedule but that will tell you as much about your squad as anything.

 

[twentythreeOh4]

From an outside perspective I don't know why a griz fan wouldn't be optimistic this season. You have one of the best players on defense in the league and the unit as a whole should be good. You have a gunslinger qb who can make plays with his arms and his legs. Your receivers are great. The offense in general should put up big numbers I believe. You got a coach in his second year back which is obviously good. And for the simple fact that your o-line couldn't be worse than last season, that should be promising as well.

If I was a griz fan my biggest concern would be the schedule but that will tell you as much about your squad as anything.

This is right on the money.

 

[BWahlberg]

While stats don't tell the whole story with what many posters suggest was "the worst O-line ever" last year's Griz team was:

- 4th best in total scoring
- 4th in total offense
- 10th in rushing
- 4th in passing

- 83% of the accounted for rushing yards / 86% of the rushing TDs return
- 80% of the accounted for receiving yards / 92% of the receiving TDs return

If this O-line can even show modest improvement it would possibly push the Griz into being one of the top 3 offenses in the Big Sky.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I am not as optimistic as many...

D'ya think?

 

[SoldierGriz]

With the re-engineered and much improved Offensive Line, what is the key to fixing late game meltdowns?:

Griz Opponent
1st 116 72
2nd 102 60
3rd 83 48
4th 72 134

Is this a larger offensive problem? Defense? Both?

 

[grizindabox]

With the re-engineered and much improved Offensive Line, what is the key to fixing late game meltdowns?:

Griz Opponent
1st 116 72
2nd 102 60
3rd 83 48
4th 72 134

Is this a larger offensive problem? Defense? Both?

I think 10th in rushing is one problem.

 

[SoldierGriz]

With the re-engineered and much improved Offensive Line, what is the key to fixing late game meltdowns?:

Griz Opponent
1st 116 72
2nd 102 60
3rd 83 48
4th 72 134

Is this a larger offensive problem? Defense? Both?

I think 10th in rushing is one problem.

Improved O-line should fix ability to eat clock down the stretch.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

With the re-engineered and much improved Offensive Line, what is the key to fixing late game meltdowns?:

Griz Opponent
1st 116 72
2nd 102 60
3rd 83 48
4th 72 134

Is this a larger offensive problem? Defense? Both?

The answer lies with the business model of the pony express.

 

[SoldierGriz]

With the re-engineered and much improved Offensive Line, what is the key to fixing late game meltdowns?:

Griz Opponent
1st 116 72
2nd 102 60
3rd 83 48
4th 72 134

Is this a larger offensive problem? Defense? Both?

The answer lies with the business model of the pony express.

Fresh horses and defined path...so Griz got fresh horses?

 

[codycleve]

Well they have 23 O-line on the roster. So at least they have a lot of horses to choose from. I'm not sure how many will be serviceable.

 

[grizindabox]

With the re-engineered and much improved Offensive Line, what is the key to fixing late game meltdowns?:

Griz Opponent
1st 116 72
2nd 102 60
3rd 83 48
4th 72 134

Is this a larger offensive problem? Defense? Both?

I think 10th in rushing is one problem.

Improved O-line should fix ability to eat clock down the stretch.

I would be curious what the breakdown of Griz turnovers to opponent turnovers by qtr were for 2018? (To lazy to look myself)

 

[SoldierGriz]

With the re-engineered and much improved Offensive Line, what is the key to fixing late game meltdowns?:

Griz Opponent
1st 116 72
2nd 102 60
3rd 83 48
4th 72 134

Is this a larger offensive problem? Defense? Both?

I think 10th in rushing is one problem.

Improved O-line should fix ability to eat clock down the stretch.

I would be curious what the breakdown of Griz turnovers to opponent turnovers by qtr were for 2018? (To lazy to look myself)

I went to gogriz...didn't break it down as such.

 

[uofmman1122]

With the re-engineered and much improved Offensive Line, what is the key to fixing late game meltdowns?:

Griz Opponent
1st 116 72
2nd 102 60
3rd 83 48
4th 72 134

Is this a larger offensive problem? Defense? Both?

I think 10th in rushing is one problem.

Improved O-line should fix ability to eat clock down the stretch.

I would be curious what the breakdown of Griz turnovers to opponent turnovers by qtr were for 2018? (To lazy to look myself)

Turnovers Lost by quarter:

Griz Opponent
1st 5 5
2nd 5 3
3rd 2 7
4th 10 1

Note: This does not include turnover on downs, just fumbles and INTs.

With Turnover on Downs:

Griz Opponent
1st 6 7
2nd 5 3
3rd 5 7
4th 10 5

 

[AZGrizFan]

I will keep this football focused:

BW posted a projected 2 deep for the o-line.

Beaver and Keintz had 11 starts last season.
Martin had 4.
Simon had 9.
Pollans had 0.

This accounts for 34/55 possible starts last season for BWs projected upcoming season starters.

Add in Angel V's starts and you're up to 41/55 possible. Meyer's starts make up most of the difference (10) for 51/55; he is obviously gone.

Welnel had 0 - played in 11...not sure where?
Anderson had 0 - played in 3.
Hart had 0.
Saint had 0 - played in 1.

Pollans and Mallory are new and unproven.

Right now, this unit is essentially last year's o-line with additions and back ups that have essentially no or limited experience.

I am not as optimistic as many...I think they will be average to start the year. I do know BH has a knack for developing talent and generating in-season improvement. So, perhaps they elevate to good as the season progresses.

Many believe experience and off season work is magical. I don't. I think these guys are who they were. Hart, Pollans, and Mallory may be the key, but who knows. Perhaps Angel V. Is fully healed up. We'll know after first 3 games or if this unit can contribute to RTD - and not before that.

Well in theory, they should at the very LEAST pick up where they left off last year, with 41/55 starts returning, which was light years ahead of where they started last year. That experience gained certainly can’t HURT, can it? Add in Pullans and Mallory and a healthy Angel and I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

The last play of the season and Sneed's legs beg to differ about last year....

But, I hope you are right.

Well that last play is the definition of “anecdotal evidence”. If you can’t see/admit that their play improved through the course of the year then I can’t help you. You’ll just have to continue to be from the Show Me State and wait until we’re 3-4 games into the season...