Largest Gap in 40 years

[AZGrizFan]

It’s not an either/or question. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. This isn’t a “character” issue, it’s a coaching issue. There are plenty of guys out there who have both character AND talent.

But the contrast in talent from his first stint and now is significant. So really it is an either/or situation in my opinion.

Nope. Disagree. That presumes there aren’t talented character guys out there. Perhaps an “Occam’s razor” possibility is that Bobby and his staff just aren’t that good at evaluating talent…the game has passed them by.

 

[bigtyme]

But the contrast in talent from his first stint and now is significant. So really it is an either/or situation in my opinion.

Nope. Disagree. That presumes there aren’t talented character guys out there. Perhaps an “Occam’s razor” possibility is that Bobby and his staff just aren’t that good at evaluating talent…the game has passed them by.

It doesn’t presume anything. It just simply states there is a stark contrast in character and talent.

 

[RzBCat]

IMHO there has not been this large of a talent/coaching/execution gap between the Griz and the ‘Scats sine 1984 in Larry Donovan’s 2nd to last year. And the gap has gotten wider in recent years.

THIS is what we brought Bobby back for? Haslam’s attempt to “recapture the BH magic” have been an abysmal failure and they both need to go. Clean house and start from scratch.

The cats had a terrible coach in 1984. They won one game with Dave Arnold in 1883. The 1984 champion team was way more about the strength coach Rocky Gullickson and copious amounts of performance enhancing drugs.
Larry Donovan was a decent coach but he tried to shoehorn a wishbone offense where it had no business being. The real difference was Don Read vs Earle Solomonson.

Every college team had players using PEDs, including the Griz, during that era. Arnold was a very good coach and Rocky was a great strength coach. I know all this because I was there and coached by both in ‘82.

And we all know PEDs are still being used today.

 

[Ursus1]

But the contrast in talent from his first stint and now is significant. So really it is an either/or situation in my opinion.

Nope. Disagree. That presumes there aren’t talented character guys out there. Perhaps an “Occam’s razor” possibility is that Bobby and his staff just aren’t that good at evaluating talent…the game has passed them by.

he is too stubborn.....they have to come to camp....transfers he has to have a personal connection blah blah. He shuts the door on so many good players trying to be mr big shot.. thinks he is Saban yet is so far from that is is laughable

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

Nope. Disagree. That presumes there aren’t talented character guys out there. Perhaps an “Occam’s razor” possibility is that Bobby and his staff just aren’t that good at evaluating talent…the game has passed them by.

he is too stubborn.....they have to come to camp....transfers he has to have a personal connection blah blah. He shuts the door on so many good players trying to be mr big shot.. thinks he is Saban yet is so far from that is is laughable

I’m also of the opinion that the recruiting methods hauck uses are ineffective. Hell there is so much talent in the portal that he’s not capitalizing on for the reasons you listed.

 

[Walkon79]

It was the 80's PED's were perfectly legal and the cats had one of the premiere strength coaches in the world to go with it. There were monsters on that team

Oh, I knew it was the wild west at that point with PED's, I just didn't realize that it was such a part of their title team. Thanks for sharing.

Highly questionable take. I was around in the 80's, were you, Indian-Outlaw?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Oh, I knew it was the wild west at that point with PED's, I just didn't realize that it was such a part of their title team. Thanks for sharing.

Highly questionable take. I was around in the 80's, were you, Indian-Outlaw?

It doesn't even matter. The point remains. in 1984 MSU won the national title. Griz were 2-8-1. There hasn't been this kind of disparity (IN THIS DIRECTION) since. I'm 61 years old and the last time it was this bad I was 4 years out of HIGH SCHOOL.

 

[Grizbeer]

MSU beat UM 34-24 that year. Not really a blow out. Othe common teams had similar scores. Um ties ewu 18-18, msu lost 16-21. Um lost to Idaho by 1, msu beat Idaho by 6. Um lost to Nevada by 3 msu beat Nevada by 3 in 4 ot.

Both lost to ISU, and Cats did much better against Weber, nau and psu

The 10 point win by MSU pretty much defined how much better MSU was that year

 

[AZGrizFan]

MSU beat UM 34-24 that year. Not really a blow out. Othe common teams had similar scores. Um ties ewu 18-18, msu lost 16-21. Um lost to Idaho by 1, msu beat Idaho by 6. Um lost to Nevada by 3 msu beat Nevada by 3 in 4 ot.

Both lost to ISU, and Cats did much better against Weber, nau and psu

The 10 point win by MSU pretty much defined how much better MSU was that year

Lol. One was 12-2 and won the national championship, one was 2-8-1. That’s all I need to know. The transitive property is garbage (as the Griz so eloquently proved this weekend).