Lady Griz vs Southern Utah

[Fat Bruno]

Maybe Fat Bruno can enlighten us. He thinks he knows more about the Lady Griz than Griz fans do.

Yes, allow me to enlighten you, Meister Shyster … it’s pyschological. Just too many repeated blows from the personnel losses and the game losses that ensued. And, remember that, in addition to the benched players, Johnson had to play with the mask for several games … very debilitating for a point guard, especially. Essentially, four upper classmen at full strength and freshmen on the bench … just too much. Finally became demoralized. Who wouldn’t have. Even Trump could not have managed this team to a winning record, though he’d have claimed a world championship, at least. Take this same team next year with the dazzling Sophia Stiles on the floor, along with the deceptive Schoening and the other major players we lost, Fatkin and Mayhue hitting their groove and Pickens probably playing as a freshmen, and you’ve got the league champ … with Schweyen at the helm.

Sorry, but you are an idiot and don’t have a clue about the current state of LG hoops. Psychological? That’s pretty funny. Yes, injuries impact teams, but the Griz injuries should not make the Griz into a doormat.

Haha ... nice edit, but what did you really mean? Should it make them into a format ... or should it NOT make them into a doormat. I hadn't known that losing half a goddamn team shouldn't have a devastating effect on a team. You should have stuck with format ... at least, that way, you would only have confused people instead of making it crystal clear that you're a moron.

 

[Copper Griz]

Well, I’m coming around to the “Lock ‘er up” meme regarding Shannon … ewe know … because RUMORS, CHATTER, goofball conspiracy theories with no basis and even goofier logic about weird and heretofore unheard of training methods which lead inevitably to many injuries. Most compelling.

Nothing like watching one of sports most tiresome and repeated soap operas, though … the one where all the entitled, small minded know-it-alls display their petty viciousness and start their rabid, ever snowballing tribal chant for the head of the evil one who has not met their terribly urgent, pathetic and childish needs quickly enough regardless of whether they’re to blame or not.

And, btw, her recruiting — a huge part of any coach’s arsenal — has been pretty exemplary.

You are way too emotional and defensive about a coach with a piss poor record since she took the helm. Does not make logical sense to me. I am not blaming her for the injuries, unless she did not have the team follow a training regime that was up to standards with other programs. I am laying the poor defensive performaces and unwillingness or inability to adjust - at the head coaches feet. Some of the “rumors” are true about the players negative feelings towards the coach.

 

[Fat Bruno]

Well, I’m coming around to the “Lock ‘er up” meme regarding Shannon … ewe know … because RUMORS, CHATTER, goofball conspiracy theories with no basis and even goofier logic about weird and heretofore unheard of training methods which lead inevitably to many injuries. Most compelling.

Nothing like watching one of sports most tiresome and repeated soap operas, though … the one where all the entitled, small minded know-it-alls display their petty viciousness and start their rabid, ever snowballing tribal chant for the head of the evil one who has not met their terribly urgent, pathetic and childish needs quickly enough regardless of whether they’re to blame or not.

And, btw, her recruiting — a huge part of any coach’s arsenal — has been pretty exemplary.

You are way too emotional and defensive about a coach with a piss poor record since she took the helm. Does not make logical sense to me. I am not blaming her for the injuries, unless she did not have the team follow a training regime that was up to standards with other programs. I am laying the poor defensive performaces and unwillingness or inability to adjust - at the head coaches feet. Some of the “rumors” are true about the players negative feelings towards the coach.

Oh, yeah ... I'm too emotional ... believe me, the only emotion I have is disgust at the retarded lynch mob -- of which you are the one carrying the rope -- which is braying like a pack of silly asses for the coach's firing. Too emotional would describe the blubbering Willy Wetlegs like yourself who are crying their snowflake asses of about not getting their needs met soon enough by the coach who they apparently confuse with their personal wet nurse.

 

[Copper Griz]

Well, I’m coming around to the “Lock ‘er up” meme regarding Shannon … ewe know … because RUMORS, CHATTER, goofball conspiracy theories with no basis and even goofier logic about weird and heretofore unheard of training methods which lead inevitably to many injuries. Most compelling.

Nothing like watching one of sports most tiresome and repeated soap operas, though … the one where all the entitled, small minded know-it-alls display their petty viciousness and start their rabid, ever snowballing tribal chant for the head of the evil one who has not met their terribly urgent, pathetic and childish needs quickly enough regardless of whether they’re to blame or not.

And, btw, her recruiting — a huge part of any coach’s arsenal — has been pretty exemplary.

You are way too emotional and defensive about a coach with a piss poor record since she took the helm. Does not make logical sense to me. I am not blaming her for the injuries, unless she did not have the team follow a training regime that was up to standards with other programs. I am laying the poor defensive performaces and unwillingness or inability to adjust - at the head coaches feet. Some of the “rumors” are true about the players negative feelings towards the coach.

Oh, yeah ... I'm too emotional ... believe me, the only emotion I have is disgust at the retarded lynch mob -- of which you are the one carrying the rope -- which is braying like a pack of silly asses for the coach's firing. Too emotional would describe the blubbering Willy Wetlegs like yourself who are crying their snowflake asses of about not getting their needs met soon enough by the coach who they apparently confuse with their personal wet nurse.

Take your meds dude. Seriously. Take your meds

 

[Fat Bruno]

Well, I’m coming around to the “Lock ‘er up” meme regarding Shannon … ewe know … because RUMORS, CHATTER, goofball conspiracy theories with no basis and even goofier logic about weird and heretofore unheard of training methods which lead inevitably to many injuries. Most compelling.

Nothing like watching one of sports most tiresome and repeated soap operas, though … the one where all the entitled, small minded know-it-alls display their petty viciousness and start their rabid, ever snowballing tribal chant for the head of the evil one who has not met their terribly urgent, pathetic and childish needs quickly enough regardless of whether they’re to blame or not.

And, btw, her recruiting — a huge part of any coach’s arsenal — has been pretty exemplary.

You are way too emotional and defensive about a coach with a piss poor record since she took the helm. Does not make logical sense to me. I am not blaming her for the injuries, unless she did not have the team follow a training regime that was up to standards with other programs. I am laying the poor defensive performaces and unwillingness or inability to adjust - at the head coaches feet. Some of the “rumors” are true about the players negative feelings towards the coach.

Oh, yeah ... I'm too emotional ... believe me, the only emotion I have is disgust at the retarded lynch mob -- of which you are the one carrying the rope -- which is braying like a pack of silly asses for the coach's firing. Too emotional would describe the blubbering Willy Wetlegs like yourself who are crying their snowflake asses of about not getting their needs met soon enough by the coach who they apparently confuse with their personal wet nurse.

Take your meds dude. Seriously. Take your meds

Project much? You've been blubbering about the coach for how long now? And, the meds thing!!! Really ... why are rabid monkeys like you always such trite, banal, witless, little buffoons? Oh, btw, I think I know what might help you ... meds, moron, meds.

 

[PlayerRep]

Well, I’m coming around to the “Lock ‘er up” meme regarding Shannon … ewe know … because RUMORS, CHATTER, goofball conspiracy theories with no basis and even goofier logic about weird and heretofore unheard of training methods which lead inevitably to many injuries. Most compelling.

Nothing like watching one of sports most tiresome and repeated soap operas, though … the one where all the entitled, small minded know-it-alls display their petty viciousness and start their rabid, ever snowballing tribal chant for the head of the evil one who has not met their terribly urgent, pathetic and childish needs quickly enough regardless of whether they’re to blame or not.

And, btw, her recruiting — a huge part of any coach’s arsenal — has been pretty exemplary.

The coach has gotten considerable criticism over her reverting. Dude, pay some attention.

Feel free to talk to your contacts on the training stuff. Especially, the student trainers, as they are more likely to talk.

Feel free to disprove or discredit any rumor that has been mentioned. Someone will likely correct you, just as has already been done.

You don’t have a clue on this subject. It’s amusing to watch you babble in circles.

 

[citygriz]

I'm a bit of a hypocrite on this subject, since I've long since written off the Lady Griz.

That's because I have ambitions beyond "Big Sky power." I'd love to see Montana have a nationally ranked program in a sport other than 1-AA. Back in the day, that seemed a realistic expectation, for two reasons.

First, Montana was well ahead of many of the "majors" when it came to women's basketball. The program obviously struck a chord with the locals, and for years was among the top teams in attendance in all of D1.

But second, whether it was the water or the hearty mountain air combined with the considerable Native American talent, Montana seemed to produce exceptional women basketball players. It's chapter and verse of Montana women who have excelled at other schools, going back to the 1980's. Luckily, we snagged perhaps the best, Shannon (nee) Cate.

Lo! My visions of national glory seemed about to materialize! Shannon led us to a victory at Wisconsin in the opening round of the NCAA tournament, and then we damned near beat USC and Lisa Leslie in Los Angeles. Probably would have had not Shannon dislocated a shoulder late in that game.

It seemed the program was about to take that leap to another higher level.

Alas, though the world is far wider than our view of it, Robin Selvig was from Outlook, and it would show. Our recruiting area outside Montana was limited pretty much to rural or suburban programs in Idaho, Oregon and Washington. I came to nickname our recruits "The Blonde Bombers." These recruits, combined with the Montana talent and Selvig's coaching abilities were enough to keep us as a "Big Sky Power," until even that moniker became laughable.

I'm guessing Shannon stays at least another year, until some of our players get healthy and Jamie Pickens comes into the program. That seems only fair.

But I still see Shannon as a continuation of the Selvig regime that I gave up on years ago.

 

[Grizfan-24]

If this were any other coach, in any other program on campus, Schweyen's seat would be on fire. We got rid of Stitt for far less. You can have drinks with her over the summer, call her a friend and still recognize she needs to be held accountable for certain things.

I don't want her to fail, nor do I want her fired, but there are issues with the program. After three years I think it is logical to consider whether that she is the right person to head it because of what has happened on the court.

If you think the on the court results are purely related to injuries alone, then fine. You (whomever you are) are entitled to that perspective. I am not convinced that is the case personally but we can agree to disagree.

I just see things that rub me the wrong way. Similar things that other posters have addressed. I don't feel like writing a manifesto, but yesterday's listless result was decidedly concerning.

 

[moneyball]

It has been said that something is off with this team. Well there is a lot of truth to that. Shannon inherited a winning program in which it only took one year to make it into a losing program. Her offensive emphasis is laughable. She does not even begin to promote defense. Defense was Selvig's baby and one of the reasons we were successful for so many years. She sits her defensive players and tries to out shoot other teams when we are one of the worst shooting teams in the country. There is not much in the way of fundamentals either. We actually have had some great talent in players over the last 3 years but Shannon does not know how to use or develop the strengths of her players. Her substitution scheme makes no sense at times. A big difference between Robin and Shannon - Rob was a great game manager, Shannon is not. She continually plays her inexperienced Freshman over her upperclassmen. Credit to the girls because they have been able to win some games in spite of the coaching deficiencies. But with all that I have said to this point, is not the real problem with the Lady Griz. So what is? You only have to look at what happened last year at the end of the season(and is still ongoing). 4 girls quit the team. Girls who were good players and getting minutes who would have contributed tremendously this year. WHY??? Why were there numerous official complaints by parents to the powers to be? I will tell you. The girls do not respect or like Shannon. The rumors you have heard are true. A good player is not always a good coach. Time for a new coach.

 

[AZGrizFan]

If this were any other coach, in any other program on campus, Schweyen's seat would be on fire. We got rid of Stitt for far less. You can have drinks with her over the summer, call her a friend and still recognize she needs to be held accountable for certain things.

I don't want her to fail, nor do I want her fired, but there are issues with the program. After three years I think it is logical to consider whether that she is the right person to head it because of what has happened on the court.

If you think the on the court results are purely related to injuries alone, then fine. You (whomever you are) are entitled to that perspective. I am not convinced that is the case personally but we can agree to disagree.

I just see things that rub me the wrong way. Similar things that other posters have addressed. I don't feel like writing a manifesto, but yesterday's listless result was decidedly concerning.

Stitt spent a majority of his 3 years here playing his 2nd & 3rd string QB’s (or TE in one case) behind a patchwork O-line decimated by injuries. He got no sympathy. Injuries are part of the game, and excusing performance based on them is loser talk.

 

[Grizfan-24]

If this were any other coach, in any other program on campus, Schweyen's seat would be on fire. We got rid of Stitt for far less. You can have drinks with her over the summer, call her a friend and still recognize she needs to be held accountable for certain things.

I don't want her to fail, nor do I want her fired, but there are issues with the program. After three years I think it is logical to consider whether that she is the right person to head it because of what has happened on the court.

If you think the on the court results are purely related to injuries alone, then fine. You (whomever you are) are entitled to that perspective. I am not convinced that is the case personally but we can agree to disagree.

I just see things that rub me the wrong way. Similar things that other posters have addressed. I don't feel like writing a manifesto, but yesterday's listless result was decidedly concerning.

Stitt spent a majority of his 3 years here playing his 2nd & 3rd string QB’s (or TE in one case) behind a patchwork O-line decimated by injuries. He got no sympathy. Injuries are part of the game, and excusing performance based on them is loser talk.

Exactly.

 

[Fat Bruno]

Well, I’m coming around to the “Lock ‘er up” meme regarding Shannon … ewe know … because RUMORS, CHATTER, goofball conspiracy theories with no basis and even goofier logic about weird and heretofore unheard of training methods which lead inevitably to many injuries. Most compelling.

Nothing like watching one of sports most tiresome and repeated soap operas, though … the one where all the entitled, small minded know-it-alls display their petty viciousness and start their rabid, ever snowballing tribal chant for the head of the evil one who has not met their terribly urgent, pathetic and childish needs quickly enough regardless of whether they’re to blame or not.

And, btw, her recruiting — a huge part of any coach’s arsenal — has been pretty exemplary.

The coach has gotten considerable criticism over her reverting. Dude, pay some attention.

Feel free to talk to your contacts on the training stuff. Especially, the student trainers, as they are more likely to talk.

Feel free to disprove or discredit any rumor that has been mentioned. Someone will likely correct you, just as has already been done.

You don’t have a clue on this subject. It’s amusing to watch you babble in circles.

You actually felt the need to post this weak crap? This won't help at your competency evaluation.

 

[Fat Bruno]

If this were any other coach, in any other program on campus, Schweyen's seat would be on fire. We got rid of Stitt for far less. You can have drinks with her over the summer, call her a friend and still recognize she needs to be held accountable for certain things.

I don't want her to fail, nor do I want her fired, but there are issues with the program. After three years I think it is logical to consider whether that she is the right person to head it because of what has happened on the court.

If you think the on the court results are purely related to injuries alone, then fine. You (whomever you are) are entitled to that perspective. I am not convinced that is the case personally but we can agree to disagree.

I just see things that rub me the wrong way. Similar things that other posters have addressed. I don't feel like writing a manifesto, but yesterday's listless result was decidedly concerning.

Stitt spent a majority of his 3 years here playing his 2nd & 3rd string QB’s (or TE in one case) behind a patchwork O-line decimated by injuries. He got no sympathy. Injuries are part of the game, and excusing performance based on them is loser talk.

Not considering injuries, especially when they decimate the team, is moron talk, aka fan talk. This site illustrates that comparison as well as any I've seen.

 

[Grizfan-24]

If this were any other coach, in any other program on campus, Schweyen's seat would be on fire. We got rid of Stitt for far less. You can have drinks with her over the summer, call her a friend and still recognize she needs to be held accountable for certain things.

I don't want her to fail, nor do I want her fired, but there are issues with the program. After three years I think it is logical to consider whether that she is the right person to head it because of what has happened on the court.

If you think the on the court results are purely related to injuries alone, then fine. You (whomever you are) are entitled to that perspective. I am not convinced that is the case personally but we can agree to disagree.

I just see things that rub me the wrong way. Similar things that other posters have addressed. I don't feel like writing a manifesto, but yesterday's listless result was decidedly concerning.

Stitt spent a majority of his 3 years here playing his 2nd & 3rd string QB’s (or TE in one case) behind a patchwork O-line decimated by injuries. He got no sympathy. Injuries are part of the game, and excusing performance based on them is loser talk.

Not considering injuries, especially when they decimate the team, is moron talk, aka fan talk. This site illustrates that comparison as well as any I've seen.

Just as there was with Stitt it is either your choice to make a consideration of all the issues or none. For some they lacked little if any patience in making assessments of Stitt's coaching and personnel management issues. They just wanted results. Completely appropriate to consider health issues, but some of the issues are NOT injury based. Some of them would have and reared their head had he had a full compliment of players to choose from.

In this case, I believe it is appropriate to make assessments with and without the injury considerations. I am saying there are issues, that don't have a lot to do with injury issues. That have everything to do with the same criticisms that people had of Stitt. I may have disagreed with many of those assessments of him, and you have a right to disagree with me or others here on Schweyen's tenure.

I have coached enough basketball to know what I like and don't like. There are absolutely things from a preferential standpoint that when I watch their games over the past three years that I don't like. Consider it taste. That being said, what I have seen this year isn't to me at least all doesn't rest on just injuries.

 

[AZGrizFan]

If this were any other coach, in any other program on campus, Schweyen's seat would be on fire. We got rid of Stitt for far less. You can have drinks with her over the summer, call her a friend and still recognize she needs to be held accountable for certain things.

I don't want her to fail, nor do I want her fired, but there are issues with the program. After three years I think it is logical to consider whether that she is the right person to head it because of what has happened on the court.

If you think the on the court results are purely related to injuries alone, then fine. You (whomever you are) are entitled to that perspective. I am not convinced that is the case personally but we can agree to disagree.

I just see things that rub me the wrong way. Similar things that other posters have addressed. I don't feel like writing a manifesto, but yesterday's listless result was decidedly concerning.

Stitt spent a majority of his 3 years here playing his 2nd & 3rd string QB’s (or TE in one case) behind a patchwork O-line decimated by injuries. He got no sympathy. Injuries are part of the game, and excusing performance based on them is loser talk.

Not considering injuries, especially when they decimate the team, is moron talk, aka fan talk. This site illustrates that comparison as well as any I've seen.

You are the absolute king of name-calling anyone who deigns to disagree with you. But I see you’ve taken the position of “loser” fan, so there’s that. :lol:

I’ve considered injuries. They’re an excuse. Virtually every team is affected by injuries. The ones that win are the ones best prepared (by the coach/scheme/depth) to rebound from those injuries. It appears Schweyen only taught her presumed starters the offense, since they seem to have NONE now absent a couple starters.

 

[grizindabox]

This thread has turned stupid.

 

[TrueGriz]

Sheesh, 3 players on Notre Dame suffer ACL injuries last year. Still won the national championship. After that I don't think I will ever blame injuries anymore for failure. If coached right, they can win. Lady Griz just do not have that benefit right now. But, Fat Bruno wants to put all the blame on injuries instead of poor coaching.

 

[TrueGriz]

Sheesh, 3 players on Notre Dame suffer ACL injuries last year. Still won the national championship. After that I don't think I will ever blame injuries anymore for failure. If coached right, they can win. Lady Griz just do not have that benefit right now. But, Fat Bruno wants to put all the blame on injuries instead of poor coaching.

Excuse me, I was wrong. 4 players were lost and Notre Dame still won. Injuries can be blamed somewhat but good coaching can overcome the injuries.

 

[PlayerRep]

Well, I’m coming around to the “Lock ‘er up” meme regarding Shannon … ewe know … because RUMORS, CHATTER, goofball conspiracy theories with no basis and even goofier logic about weird and heretofore unheard of training methods which lead inevitably to many injuries. Most compelling.

Nothing like watching one of sports most tiresome and repeated soap operas, though … the one where all the entitled, small minded know-it-alls display their petty viciousness and start their rabid, ever snowballing tribal chant for the head of the evil one who has not met their terribly urgent, pathetic and childish needs quickly enough regardless of whether they’re to blame or not.

And, btw, her recruiting — a huge part of any coach’s arsenal — has been pretty exemplary.

The coach has gotten considerable criticism over her reverting. Dude, pay some attention.

Feel free to talk to your contacts on the training stuff. Especially, the student trainers, as they are more likely to talk.

Feel free to disprove or discredit any rumor that has been mentioned. Someone will likely correct you, just as has already been done.

You don’t have a clue on this subject. It’s amusing to watch you babble in circles.

You actually felt the need to post this weak crap? This won't help at your competency evaluation.

Let us know when you can disprove any point I made. I know you can’t because it’s all correct. Let’s see if anyone even agrees with you that any of my stuff isn’t accurate. I almost never post anything like this that I don’t have a high degree of confidence in or know for a fact is correct. Keep digging your hole.

 

[MissoulaCanucksFan]

I know I've said this in a prior thread, but I'll say it again. As much as I would hate for Shannon to not to get a new contract (it's up at the end of this season and UM can't give out more than three-year deals), I wouldn't be shocked if UM decided to move on from Shannon. I honestly can't think off the top of my head as to who would succeed her if this was the path UM decided to take.