The Ladies take out Portland State in OT 73-70, and get no notice on this forum. Jace again impressive with 25 and 18. :clap:
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Lady Griz vs PSU
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YOU noticed. Whomever has been taking the lead in posting, didn't. Oversight or lack of caring? You want the job, its yours. Just do it. :thumb: After their recent poor showings, maybe it was just expected that they'd lose, again. Haslam's silence on Schweyen's future is deafening. 2,800 did show up for the game, though.
MissoulaCanucksFan
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It was truly an exciting game to say the least. Jace Henderson did Jace Henderson things like she always does in the paint, netting another double-double. McKenzie Johnston played all 45 minutes and chipped in 14 points of her own. Jordyn Schweyen set a career high for minutes played (34) and all three of her buckets were triples (as starter Gabi Harrington only played 16 minutes). Emma Stockholm had herself another solid game.
tourist said:
The only thing deafening is your constant whining about the coach. Why would Haslam be out making premature statements about that subject? Especially, since the problem she has is so obviously having to play with half a team. Amazing, isn't it, how much her coaching improved in just a few days ... and how well they played with the major personnel problems they have. Psychological factors can change that rapidly, coaching improvements don't. Time for phony fans like you to quit your tiresome squealing.
grizzlyjournal
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Well, OK... I'll post again as a strong supporter of this Montana women's team. I had decided to avoid these recently negative threads, but...
I have NO personal rancor for negative posters, but consider these recent negative threads to be truly destructive. I attend ALL home Montana hoops games, always have attended all games, and see a solid, competitive program that's suffered an inordinate amount of bad luck. Simply that. THIS team currently has four players, in street clothing, at the end of the bench, all of whom over the past 18 months have been starters. ONLY nine players are left on the active roster. The four subs usually consist of three true frosh and one redshirt frosh. One of the five regular starters has played half of the conference season wearing a protective (but hindering) face mask.
As a statistics nerd, I see a ton of solid evidence, actual statistical evidence, that shows: When healthy, this team is (and has been) good enough to compete, this year, with the top five conf. teams in standings (Idaho, Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Montana State and Portland State), THREE of which Montana has beaten this year. Despite the tough breaks, this Montana team is STILL playing near .500.
I will not stoop to acknowledge "rumor," which I believe is a back door means used by those who don't stand behind their opinions. My support of this program is here, on this post. So is my real name. I support this Montana program.
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I have NO personal rancor for negative posters, but consider these recent negative threads to be truly destructive. I attend ALL home Montana hoops games, always have attended all games, and see a solid, competitive program that's suffered an inordinate amount of bad luck. Simply that. THIS team currently has four players, in street clothing, at the end of the bench, all of whom over the past 18 months have been starters. ONLY nine players are left on the active roster. The four subs usually consist of three true frosh and one redshirt frosh. One of the five regular starters has played half of the conference season wearing a protective (but hindering) face mask.
As a statistics nerd, I see a ton of solid evidence, actual statistical evidence, that shows: When healthy, this team is (and has been) good enough to compete, this year, with the top five conf. teams in standings (Idaho, Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Montana State and Portland State), THREE of which Montana has beaten this year. Despite the tough breaks, this Montana team is STILL playing near .500.
I will not stoop to acknowledge "rumor," which I believe is a back door means used by those who don't stand behind their opinions. My support of this program is here, on this post. So is my real name. I support this Montana program.
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grizzlyjournal said:
Journal, you seem to be connected to UM athletics. What has been posted on egriz as rumor is true, as you must well know. You have to have heard the exact some things, from the athletic department, from parents and friends, from players and friends, from boosters.
You don't have to stoop to rumor, but feel free to point out any "rumor" that you don't think is true or that you haven't also heard, on at least pretty good authority.
grizzlyjournal
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PlayerRep: I am NOT connected to the University of Montana (Montana athletics) in any way, shape for form. (I used to work as a sports writer with the Missoulian from 1980-89; I had access to Montana sporting events as an independent freelance writer from 2004-2012.) I'm just an old retired guy who still loves to write... and share some of my opinions through my writing. A lot of people in Missoula who are my age volunteer their services for organizations or people. Keeps my mind sharp (I hope).
•I PAY for GAA membership in my name and season's tickets for Men's basketball games, women's softball and volleyball games (thinkin about soccer).
• I currently am FULLY retired and offer my services as a writer on a fully volunteer basis. I refuse ANY monetary compensation for ANY writing I do.
• As stated before: I am an outsider. I have no official connections to anyone or any organization (I am not a member of men's or womens hoops booster clubs). I do attend the public Grizzly coaches shows. Otherwise, I just love to write stories (and take some action photos) about good people, many of them athletes.
• Because of my freelance status, I occasionally have press access to certain women's games. Unless things have changed in a way I am unaware, professional journalists (known as columnists) who express their opinions in written form, even freelancers, are regularly granted access to public events. Opinion columnists usually have official license to voice their own opinions, either for an organization or as an independent.
• Because I have a personal ethical code regarding journalistic writing, I do INSIST upon being an outsider. I personally have a code AGAINST using information that is labeled as rumor or as based upon rumor. I do occasionally shake hands & say things like, "Awesome game."
• If you decide to "call me out," that's your right. You won't find much, other than that I like good coffee (roast my own) and am Missoula's most effete coffee snob. (in a good & prove-able way)
• As I wrote above, I purposely do NOT listen to rumors, or acknowledge them. I think the whole concept and definition of "rumor" is dangerous. I believe in statistics. But I have NOT (quoting you, above) "heard the exact same from the athletic department, from parents and friends, from players and friends, from boosters." Nor do I wish to...
• Lastly... I strongly support the University of Montana and, in particular, the women's basketball program. Go Montana!
•I PAY for GAA membership in my name and season's tickets for Men's basketball games, women's softball and volleyball games (thinkin about soccer).
• I currently am FULLY retired and offer my services as a writer on a fully volunteer basis. I refuse ANY monetary compensation for ANY writing I do.
• As stated before: I am an outsider. I have no official connections to anyone or any organization (I am not a member of men's or womens hoops booster clubs). I do attend the public Grizzly coaches shows. Otherwise, I just love to write stories (and take some action photos) about good people, many of them athletes.
• Because of my freelance status, I occasionally have press access to certain women's games. Unless things have changed in a way I am unaware, professional journalists (known as columnists) who express their opinions in written form, even freelancers, are regularly granted access to public events. Opinion columnists usually have official license to voice their own opinions, either for an organization or as an independent.
• Because I have a personal ethical code regarding journalistic writing, I do INSIST upon being an outsider. I personally have a code AGAINST using information that is labeled as rumor or as based upon rumor. I do occasionally shake hands & say things like, "Awesome game."
• If you decide to "call me out," that's your right. You won't find much, other than that I like good coffee (roast my own) and am Missoula's most effete coffee snob. (in a good & prove-able way)
• As I wrote above, I purposely do NOT listen to rumors, or acknowledge them. I think the whole concept and definition of "rumor" is dangerous. I believe in statistics. But I have NOT (quoting you, above) "heard the exact same from the athletic department, from parents and friends, from players and friends, from boosters." Nor do I wish to...
• Lastly... I strongly support the University of Montana and, in particular, the women's basketball program. Go Montana!
grizzlyjournal
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PlayerRep: I'm still confused about something. Why do you consider my stated belief that statistical evidence can justify a strong support of Montana women's basketball as something you believe is not honest? Baffles me. I read the statistics and I reach conclusions regarding the statistics I read (supported by all the games I watch in person). Again: baffling.
grizzlyjournal said:
Thanks. By insider, I did not mean someone who works for the U. I was only meaning someone who follows the program closely, knows and interacts with coaches, some players, some athletic department personnel, etc. Any journalist would fall into the category I was intending to describe. I edited my above post, prior to reading your post. I woke realizing that I hadn't said what I was meaning to say. My apologies. I am, of course, fine with your view and position on this, and your strong support for the program. Interesting that you have heard the same things. They have been rampant since last year. I too often don't pass along things I know. As I have said, I have no view or position on coach. But what I keep hearing is coming from people who would know. I love your posts and analyses. Thanks for them. Again, my bad.
grizzlyjournal said:
I didn't say anything about statistics. I didn't say anything about your or anyone else's support for the program. I should not have used the word honest. That wasn't what I meant. I just assumed that you had heard all or most or at least some of the criticisms of the coach in the last 1.X years.
I am not making any judgments on the program or the coach. I was merely passing along some things I had heard, and keep hearing. A lot of other people posting seem to be hearing the same things. I enjoy watching the games. I like watching the progress of certain players, over the years and season.
Journal, here is what set me off:
"I will not stoop to acknowledge "rumor," which I believe is a back door means used by those who don't stand behind their opinions. My support of this program is here, on this post."
In some situations, I agree with your above comments. And while I have sometimes referred to some things at rumors (intending to water them down), some of them are not rumors. They are from pretty close to the horse's mouth, and from people who. wouldn't make them up. Friends of coaches. Athletic Department personnel. Parents.
What I have posted on the subject has nothing to do with my "opinion". I don't have an opinion on the subject. Also, I truly thought that you knew the same things, but were trying to undercut them with your post.
In a nutshell, I thought you were calling out people for posting rumors, even though you knew that most of them were true.
"I will not stoop to acknowledge "rumor," which I believe is a back door means used by those who don't stand behind their opinions. My support of this program is here, on this post."
In some situations, I agree with your above comments. And while I have sometimes referred to some things at rumors (intending to water them down), some of them are not rumors. They are from pretty close to the horse's mouth, and from people who. wouldn't make them up. Friends of coaches. Athletic Department personnel. Parents.
What I have posted on the subject has nothing to do with my "opinion". I don't have an opinion on the subject. Also, I truly thought that you knew the same things, but were trying to undercut them with your post.
In a nutshell, I thought you were calling out people for posting rumors, even though you knew that most of them were true.
grizzlyjournal
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PlayerRep said:
PlayerRep: I am not "alluding" to you with the following... I am willing to back it with my identity.
In 1986, while covering the Grizzlies as a Missoulian beat writer, I cited a rumor (which I stated as such) directed critically toward Mike Montgomery. It was the single most flagrant error of my writing career. I vowed then to never cite any information without attribution: bracketed in quotation marks and publicly identifying the source. Since then I've cringed and "hurt" when observing the treatment of good people (coaches) based upon information (rumor, gossip) from people who are not named. The most painful (I was long gone from the Missoulian) episode was the treatment of Don Holst. His career record at Montana was 57-56 (a winner) and included Montana's 2002 trip to the NCAA tourney as Big Sky Conf. champions. Two weeks later, Don was fired and replaced by Pat Kennedy (record: 23-35). I still wonder what would have happened if Don had been allowed to coach those two years that Mr. Kennedy was coach.
I do not wish to belabor this. But I also do NOT want to see coaches have to endure the results of mob crusades fueled by rumor (treatment... let's face it, that coach Stitt also suffered). I'm not saying that coaches can't be fired. I am saying that statistics prove a coach needs one-to-two recruiting classes (4-5 years min) to build a program.
I see VERY SOLID statistical evidence that current Montana coaches are building a winning program right now! I've seen repeated examples of coaches who struggle for a year or two (or through a recruiting class that fell a bit short) before blossoming into winners. (That, I believe, is the case here right now.) In those cases, athletic directors often extended a coach's contract with clear expectations outlined. But at this juncture in Montana women's basketball... I see a SOLID program that has suffered a bunch of baffling bad luck. Injuries are unforgiving. Next year (barring further injuries) with these coaches, they will be in the hunt for a Big Sky Conference title. (Happy to go on record with that prediction!)
So, as a result of what I have observed over the years, I simply WILL NOT listen to people who don't or won't take public responsibility (who have the courage to say..."Yes, I said that.") for their actions or their statements/opinions.
grizzlyjournal said:
Again, I agree with some of views on coaches and rumors. I don't have supported many Griz coaches, especially in football.
However, what I don't do is call out a poster for a rumor, when I know or believe the rumor to be true. To me, that is dishonest. Also, generally when I see something said that doesn't look right to me (but I don't know the facts), I ask for the basis what was said.
You are, of course, welcome to listen, or not listen, to whomever you want. However, in this day and age of the internet, you are missing out on a lot if you won't believe anything that is said on the message board, without attribution to a particular name. Also, posters are not going to have their sources long if they identify the sources. The internet and message boards don't have the same standards as mainstream journalism, and never will.
On this particular topic, I would suggest that you spend a bit more time asking around. Talk to the senior people at the athletic department. Talk to some of the people in the Roundball Club. Talk to some people who are friends with the coaches. Talk to some of your friends. There is alot of info out there, and, again, I am surprised that you say that you don't know any of it.
My identify is generally known too. Probably more known than yours.
MissoulaMarinerFan
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I agree with GJ that the ladies are fighting their tails off, but freshman or injuries regardless, from my observation of watching many games (though probably not as much as you have), I find it... concerning that (outside these last 2 games) the ladies routinely appear lost on defensive and offensive principles for long stretches of games.
