mthoopsfan said:HelenaHandBasket said:This has to be one of the dumbest things for the basis of an argument.
Not true. This is a very good point for the argument. One of the talking points for the new coach was that he would bring in some immediate transfers. You don't follow basketball. You don't know what you're talking about.
mthoopsfan said:HelenaHandBasket said:Well, if the new hotshot coach would have brought in all the great transfers that some fans assumed, to replace all the riffraff on the roster, they wouldn't have to live or die with the play of the older returning kids. Is this correct mthoopsfan?
One or true very good transfers would have improved the team this year. Do you disagree?
maroonandsilver said:mthoopsfan said:Not true. This is a very good point for the argument. One of the talking points for the new coach was that he would bring in some immediate transfers. You don't follow basketball. You don't know what you're talking about.
Do you not realize that Holsinger was hired late last Spring? The very vast number of possible recruits and transfers had already committed elsewhere. There were not a lot of recruits/transfers still available by the time he was hired.
His incoming class, coupled with the 6-3 transfer, look like a very good and exciting group. I'm excited for next year
maroonandsilver said:mthoopsfan said:Not true. This is a very good point for the argument. One of the talking points for the new coach was that he would bring in some immediate transfers. You don't follow basketball. You don't know what you're talking about.
Do you not realize that Holsinger was hired late last Spring? The very vast number of possible recruits and transfers had already committed elsewhere. There were not a lot of recruits/transfers still available by the time he was hired.
His incoming class, coupled with the 6-3 transfer, look like a very good and exciting group. I'm excited for next year
HelenaHandBasket said:maroonandsilver said:Do you not realize that Holsinger was hired late last Spring? The very vast number of possible recruits and transfers had already committed elsewhere. There were not a lot of recruits/transfers still available by the time he was hired.
His incoming class, coupled with the 6-3 transfer, look like a very good and exciting group. I'm excited for next year
PR is just a butthurt (former) booster.
Griz66 said:Have you bothered to look at the 4 recruits signed for next year with likely more to come. On paper they look awful good to me and one is a post player. I believe that Kieffer was brought here as a "project" and there was not a plan that she would be a contributor this year. I think one could safely assume that the then assistants had major input into who was cut last year-don't you think? I may well be wrong but I think we will beat the cats on Saturday night. See I am an optimist
HelenaHandBasket said:mthoopsfan said:One or true very good transfers would have improved the team this year. Do you disagree?
Couldn't we use that argument for...I don't know...for every team? But let's get down to brass tax here, your real problem isn't really about what transfers did or didn't happen, it is about the 6 girls that were cut, and your argument that they would be the same team. Maybe this year, but I think by cutting those 6, they cleared a path moving forward. You just can't seem to grasp that none of those 6 were going to be very, if at all, impactful for the program moving forward.
mthoopsfan said:HelenaHandBasket said:Couldn't we use that argument for...I don't know...for every team? But let's get down to brass tax here, your real problem isn't really about what transfers did or didn't happen, it is about the 6 girls that were cut, and your argument that they would be the same team. Maybe this year, but I think by cutting those 6, they cleared a path moving forward. You just can't seem to grasp that none of those 6 were going to be very, if at all, impactful for the program moving forward.
6 players shouldn't have been cut in the first week, with no evaluation, if several good impactful transfers were not going to be brought in. Most everyone expected immediate good transfers. Cutting a few players would have been enough. Cutting more later would have cleared any path that need to be cleared. I never said the 6 would be impactful. I said 6 shouldn't have been cut immediately. You just can't grasp that Murphy's recent play at Chattanooga, and 7 starts, show that she would have helped off the bench this year.
Are you still saying that Murphy wouldn't have contributed off the bench this year?
Are you unable to admit that a few more almost Oregon St-level transfers wouldn't have helped this year?
HelenaHandBasket said:mthoopsfan said:6 players shouldn't have been cut in the first week, with no evaluation, if several good impactful transfers were not going to be brought in. Most everyone expected immediate good transfers. Cutting a few players would have been enough. Cutting more later would have cleared any path that need to be cleared. I never said the 6 would be impactful. I said 6 shouldn't have been cut immediately. You just can't grasp that Murphy's recent play at Chattanooga, and 7 starts, show that she would have helped off the bench this year.
Are you still saying that Murphy wouldn't have contributed off the bench this year?
Are you unable to admit that a few more almost Oregon St-level transfers wouldn't have helped this year?
You really don't think there was any evaluation done? I also did admit that a few Oregon St level transfers would help almost every program. Pretty sure I never said that Murphy couldn't possibly help some this year. PR, you are grasping at straws to make it seem like the events were a huge setback just because you are hurt because a specific player was included. I am telling you that those 6 would have had very little impact on the season, and would have very little impact on the program beyond this season.
mthoopsfan said:You said, above, no one cut would have helped the Griz this year.
mthoopsfan said:HelenaHandBasket said:You really don't think there was any evaluation done? I also did admit that a few Oregon St level transfers would help almost every program. Pretty sure I never said that Murphy couldn't possibly help some this year. PR, you are grasping at straws to make it seem like the events were a huge setback just because you are hurt because a specific player was included. I am telling you that those 6 would have had very little impact on the season, and would have very little impact on the program beyond this season.
I don't believe the new coach could have possibly done proper evaluation. He wasn't even in town much in the first couple weeks. He never met some of the players in person. He cut some/most in zoom calls, probably done from Oregon. I talked to 3 LG players on Thurs. evening, before cuts came on what I assume was Sat. morning. The group was a mix of starters and people cut. I know what I asked them, and how they responded. I know from them how much the new coach had, or hadn't, been in town. I also know Petrino.
You said, above, no one cut would have helped the Griz this year. I pointed out that you were wrong, and used Murphy as an example. Looks like you now admit that. I am not grasping at anything. I am stating reality. You can't back up your assertions. You don't follow basketball. You don't understand the game, and don't know LG personnel. Again, I never said that the 6, or any of them, would even be very-good players; I said all 6 shouldn't have been cut so soon. Why can't you understand what I'm saying?
HelenaHandBasket said:I guess if you believe that 2.8 rebs, 4.1 pts, 52% FT shooting, and 14A to 21 TO is going to make a huge impact, then I guess you could consider Murphy a big miss for the current staff. I don't see it that way.
HelenaHandBasket said:mthoopsfan said:I don't believe the new coach could have possibly done proper evaluation. He wasn't even in town much in the first couple weeks. He never met some of the players in person. He cut some/most in zoom calls, probably done from Oregon. I talked to 3 LG players on Thurs. evening, before cuts came on what I assume was Sat. morning. The group was a mix of starters and people cut. I know what I asked them, and how they responded. I know from them how much the new coach had, or hadn't, been in town. I also know Petrino.
You said, above, no one cut would have helped the Griz this year. I pointed out that you were wrong, and used Murphy as an example. Looks like you now admit that. I am not grasping at anything. I am stating reality. You can't back up your assertions. You don't follow basketball. You don't understand the game, and don't know LG personnel. Again, I never said that the 6, or any of them, would even be very-good players; I said all 6 shouldn't have been cut so soon. Why can't you understand what I'm saying?
Why do you keep misrepresenting what I am saying?
mthoopsfan said:HelenaHandBasket said:Why do you keep misrepresenting what I am saying?
I don't misrepresent it. I hold you to what you said. Why do you keep chaining what you are saying, after I point out you are wrong?
HelenaHandBasket said:mthoopsfan said:You said, above, no one cut would have helped the Griz this year.
No, I said they would have little to no impact. I stand by that.
mthoopsfan said:HelenaHandBasket said:No, I said they would have little to no impact. I stand by that.
And I said that the group, or some of them, and especially Murphy, would have had some positive impact. And I tied what I said to Murphy's last 3 games in which she averaged over 7 rebounds and about 9 points per game, for a D-I team. If you don't think those are good stats, then I don't know what to say to you. I know what I think about you and your "knowledge", though.
