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Lady Griz NOT in Mid-Major Top 25

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SeaGrizluvr

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The Lady Griz finally were getting some votes this week but are far short from being in the Top 25. Weirdly 2 teams behind them in the standings are getting many more votes(Idaho State and Montana State). Guess they are just gonna have to prove themselves worthy by keeping on winning. Go Lady Griz!

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Losing to EWU or MSU or both really hurt them...just a guess...and WSU really doesn't help out the conference.
 
Ashamed said:
Losing to EWU or MSU or both really hurt them...just a guess...and WSU really doesn't help out the conference.
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Well, they already avenged the earlier 2 point lose to EWU by beating them by 25. I doubt those two losses were that bad, since EWU's RPI is 86 and MSU's RPI is 98.
http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_170_Women.html

In fact, all 5 losses have come to quality opponents according to RPI. 4 were to top 100 RPI teams and the season opening loss to Temple was their lowest RPI loss (Temple is currently 106).

Not to put the men down but just for comparison...
Montana Griz
http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_170_Men.html
16-4, 12-0
3 of 4 were top 100 losses
Worst loss to San Francisco (149)
0 top 100 wins
Best win vs. Weber State (135)
Also: beat San Diego (165) and Idaho (176)...all other wins below 229 RPI :oops:
SOS: 297
RPI: 117
CollegeInsider poll: 14th

Montana Lady Griz
http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_170_Women.html
16-5, 10-2
4 of 5 were top 100 losses
Worst loss to Temple (106)
1 top 100 win vs. EWU (86)
Also: beat Northern Colorado (149), Sac State (150), Idaho (152) x2, and Idaho State (158).
SOS: 160
RPI: 79
CollegeInsider poll: NR
 
Alright, I think the credibility of the women's poll is out the window...

http://www.collegeinsider.com/womens-mid-major-top-25.php
Update: February 12th, 2013

record points previous
1. Delaware (25) 20-3 766 1 Colonial
2. Green Bay (4) 19-2 740 2 Horizon
3. Gonzaga (2) 20-5 675 3 West Coast
4. Chattanooga 21-3 625 6 Southern
5. Toledo 21-2 613 5 Mid-American
6. Princeton 14-5 580 4 Ivy
7. Middle Tennessee 18-6 556 8 Sun Belt
8. Creighton 16-6 543 7 Missouri Valley
9. Marist 17-6 509 10 Metro Atlantic
10. Florida Gulf Coast 20-5 486 9 Atlantic Sun
11. Quinnipiac 19-2 449 12 Northeast
12. Boston University 20-4 424 11 America East
13. Albany 20-3 411 16 America East
14. Pacific 18-5 354 14 Big West
15. Hampton 19-5 316 15 MEAC
15. South Dakota State 19-6 316 13 Summit
17. BYU 16-7 297 17 West Coast
18. Wichita State 16-7 231 23 Missour Valley
19. Western Kentucky 17-6 184 21 Sun Belt
20. Bowling Green 15-8 182 20 Mid-American
21. Saint Mary's 16-6 178 18 West Coast
22. Central Michigan 14-9 125 19 Mid-American
23. Drexel 16-6 93 22 Colonial
24. Liberty 18-6 68 NR Big South
25. San Diego 16-8 65 NR West Coast


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: James Madison 61, Appalachian State 50, Hartford 42, Harvard 38, Montana State 24, Youngstown State 19, UALR 12, Davidson 12, Army 11, Hofstra 5, Navy 5, Akron 5, Winthrop 3, Sam Houston State 1, Detroit 1.
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I am glad they finally realized ISU was a middle-of-the-pack BSC team and dropped them (odd timing, however, after ISU actually won last week and moved up to 4th in the BSC standings). I even understand not ranking the LG after they split last week. But how do they justify voting for MSU, who is on a 5 game losing streak and is 6th in the BSC with a (14-9, 8-6) record, over the LG (who are (17-6, 11-3), leading the BSC, and have won 6 of the last 7 as well as 9 of the last 11)?
 
DoubleNicks said:
Alright, I think the credibility of the women's poll is out the window...

http://www.collegeinsider.com/womens-mid-major-top-25.php
Update: February 12th, 2013

record points previous
1. Delaware (25) 20-3 766 1 Colonial
2. Green Bay (4) 19-2 740 2 Horizon
3. Gonzaga (2) 20-5 675 3 West Coast
4. Chattanooga 21-3 625 6 Southern
5. Toledo 21-2 613 5 Mid-American
6. Princeton 14-5 580 4 Ivy
7. Middle Tennessee 18-6 556 8 Sun Belt
8. Creighton 16-6 543 7 Missouri Valley
9. Marist 17-6 509 10 Metro Atlantic
10. Florida Gulf Coast 20-5 486 9 Atlantic Sun
11. Quinnipiac 19-2 449 12 Northeast
12. Boston University 20-4 424 11 America East
13. Albany 20-3 411 16 America East
14. Pacific 18-5 354 14 Big West
15. Hampton 19-5 316 15 MEAC
15. South Dakota State 19-6 316 13 Summit
17. BYU 16-7 297 17 West Coast
18. Wichita State 16-7 231 23 Missour Valley
19. Western Kentucky 17-6 184 21 Sun Belt
20. Bowling Green 15-8 182 20 Mid-American
21. Saint Mary's 16-6 178 18 West Coast
22. Central Michigan 14-9 125 19 Mid-American
23. Drexel 16-6 93 22 Colonial
24. Liberty 18-6 68 NR Big South
25. San Diego 16-8 65 NR West Coast


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: James Madison 61, Appalachian State 50, Hartford 42, Harvard 38, Montana State 24, Youngstown State 19, UALR 12, Davidson 12, Army 11, Hofstra 5, Navy 5, Akron 5, Winthrop 3, Sam Houston State 1, Detroit 1.
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I am glad they finally realized ISU was a middle-of-the-pack BSC team and dropped them (odd timing, however, after ISU actually won last week and moved up to 4th in the BSC standings). I even understand not ranking the LG after they split last week. But how do they justify voting for MSU, who is on a 5 game losing streak and is 6th in the BSC with a (14-9, 8-6) record, over the LG (who are (17-6, 11-3), leading the BSC, and have won 6 of the last 7 as well as 9 of the last 11)?
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Pretty sure those are the Lady Griz's votes, same reason North Dakota usually gets lots of votes in the FCS Football polls, they are simply confused with the similar names by incompetent sports writers.
 
Just for comparison:

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_Women.html

17.) BYU (16-7) RPI: 64, SOS: 114, Conf RPI: 7/7 (WCC)
18.) Wichita State (16-7) RPI: 78, SOS: 106, Conf RPI: 10/9 (Missouri Valley)
19.) Western Kentucky (17-6) RPI: 89, SOS: 201, Conf RPI: 12/12 (Sunbelt)
20.) Bowling Green (15-8) RPI: 97, SOS: 134, Conf RPI: 18/16 (Mid-American)

Montana Lady Griz (17-6) RPI: 76, SOS: 150, Conf RPI/SOS: 15/17 (Big Sky)

So, LG have a better RPI than everyone in the 18-20 range and just as good or better record. Shouldn't they at least be #25?
 
DoubleNicks[i said:
"]Alright, I think the credibility of the women's poll is out the window...[/i]
http://www.collegeinsider.com/womens-mid-major-top-25.php
Update: February 12th, 2013

record points previous
1. Delaware (25) 20-3 766 1 Colonial
2. Green Bay (4) 19-2 740 2 Horizon
3. Gonzaga (2) 20-5 675 3 West Coast
4. Chattanooga 21-3 625 6 Southern
5. Toledo 21-2 613 5 Mid-American
6. Princeton 14-5 580 4 Ivy
7. Middle Tennessee 18-6 556 8 Sun Belt
8. Creighton 16-6 543 7 Missouri Valley
9. Marist 17-6 509 10 Metro Atlantic
10. Florida Gulf Coast 20-5 486 9 Atlantic Sun
11. Quinnipiac 19-2 449 12 Northeast
12. Boston University 20-4 424 11 America East
13. Albany 20-3 411 16 America East
14. Pacific 18-5 354 14 Big West
15. Hampton 19-5 316 15 MEAC
15. South Dakota State 19-6 316 13 Summit
17. BYU 16-7 297 17 West Coast
18. Wichita State 16-7 231 23 Missour Valley
19. Western Kentucky 17-6 184 21 Sun Belt
20. Bowling Green 15-8 182 20 Mid-American
21. Saint Mary's 16-6 178 18 West Coast
22. Central Michigan 14-9 125 19 Mid-American
23. Drexel 16-6 93 22 Colonial
24. Liberty 18-6 68 NR Big South
25. San Diego 16-8 65 NR West Coast


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: James Madison 61, Appalachian State 50, Hartford 42, Harvard 38, Montana State 24, Youngstown State 19, UALR 12, Davidson 12, Army 11, Hofstra 5, Navy 5, Akron 5, Winthrop 3, Sam Houston State 1, Detroit 1.
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I am glad they finally realized ISU was a middle-of-the-pack BSC team and dropped them (odd timing, however, after ISU actually won last week and moved up to 4th in the BSC standings). I even understand not ranking the LG after they split last week. But how do they justify voting for MSU, who is on a 5 game losing streak and is 6th in the BSC with a (14-9, 8-6) record, over the LG (who are (17-6, 11-3), leading the BSC, and have won 6 of the last 7 as well as 9 of the last 11)?
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CLEARLY!!
 
[UPDATED FOR FEB. 19th]

LG back in the receiving votes section...

http://www.collegeinsider.com/womens-mid-major-top-25.php
Update: February 19th, 2013

1. Delaware (27) 22-3 771 1 Colonial
2. Green Bay (2) 21-2 742 2 Horizon
3. Gonzaga (2) 22-5 704 3 West Coast
4. Toledo 22-2 641 5 Mid-American
5. Chattanooga 22-3 628 4 Southern
6. Princeton 16-5 582 6 Ivy
7. Middle Tennessee 18-7 550 7 Sun Belt
8. Florida Gulf Coast 22-5 543 10 Atlantic Sun
9. Quinnipiac 22-2 489 11 Northeast
10. Marist 19-6 486 9 Metro Atlantic
11. Boston University 22-4 475 12 America East
12. Albany 21-3 432 13 America East
13. Hampton 20-5 348 15 MEAC
14. Creighton 18-6 268 8 Missouri Valley
15. BYU 18-7 248 17 West Coast
16. Central Michigan 15-9 323 22 Mid-American
17. Western Kentucky 18-7 229 19 Sun Belt
18. Wichita State 17-8 228 18 Missour Valley
19. Pacific 19-6 223 14 Big West
20. South Dakota State 20-7 219 15 Summit
21. James Madison 17-8 193 NR Colonial
22. Appalachian State 17-6 140 NR Southern
23. Saint Mary's 17-7 134 21 West Coast
24. Harvard 13-8 117 NR Ivy
25. Bowling Green 16-8 106 20 Mid-American


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Drexel 81, Liberty 61, Stetson 42, San Diego 41, Montana State 24, UALR 23, Youngstown State 23, Hartford 21, Davidson 6, Montana 6, Cleveland State 4, Detroit 3, Navy 3, Hofstra 2, Eastern Illinois 1, Northern Colorado 1.


VOTING PANEL: Kate Peterson Abiad (Cleveland State), Tony Bozzella (Iona), Kenny Brooks (James Madison), Tricia Cullop (Toledo), Niki Geckeler (Howard), Tammy George (USC Upstate), Mary Gleason (Houston Baptist), Katie Abrahamson-Henderson (Albany), Jill Dunn (Jacksonville), Tricia Fabbri (Quinnipiac), Jason Flowers (Cal State Northridge), Brian Gioris (Marist), Christianne Gobrecht (Yale), Kelly Greenburg (Boston University), Jeff Judkins (BYU), Dave Magarity (Army), Ty Margenthaler (Southeast Missouri State), Tina Martin (Delaware), Regina Miller (Illinois-Chicago), Nyla Milleson (Missouri State), Wes Moore (Chattanooga), Austin Parkinson (IUPUI), Rick Pietri (South Alabama), Rick Reeves (Gardner Webb), Seton Sobolewski (Idaho State), Gail Striegler (LIU-Brooklyn), Mary Tappmeyer (North Florida), Larry Tidwell (Lamar), Altherias Warmley (Alabama A&M), Tanya Warren (Northern Iowa), Annette Watts (Jacksonville State).
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:lol: :roll: 24. Harvard 13-8
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One thing I noticed is that the LG only have ISU's coach who has first-hand experience with the LG. The men have 4 coaches from teams they have/will have played.
MEN'S VOTING PANEL: Casey Alexander (Stetson), Murry Bartow (East Tennessee State), Randy Bennett (St. Mary's), Horace Broadnax (Savannah State), Milan Brown (Holy Cross), Will Brown (Albany), Kermit Davis (Middle Tennessee), Billy Donlon (Wright State), Bruiser Flint (Drexel), James Fox (Davidson), Tyler Geving (Portland State), Mike Gillian (Longwood), Seth Greenberg (ESPN), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Willie Hayes (Alabama A&M), B.J. Hill (Northern Colorado), Dick Hunsaker (Utah Valley), James Jones (Yale), Greg Kampe (Oakland), Danny Kaspar (Stephen F. Austin), Kerry Keating (Santa Clara), Tod Kowalczyk (Toledo), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Greg McDermott (Creighton), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac), Jeff Neubauer (Eastern Kentucky), Jimmy Patsos (Loyola MD), Buzz Peterson (UNC-Wilmington), John Shulman (Chattanooga), Don Verlin (Idaho), Ron Verlin (Pacific).
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Agreed Cujo. To see MSU anywhere on the list after their free fall indicates these writers are clueless and probably don't know the difference in the Montana schools.
 
Buttegrizzle said:
Agreed Cujo. To see MSU anywhere on the list after their free fall indicates these writers are clueless and probably don't know the difference in the Montana schools.
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:thumb: CLEARLY CLUELESS
 
Buttegrizzle said:
Agreed Cujo. To see MSU anywhere on the list after their free fall indicates these writers are clueless and probably don't know the difference in the Montana schools.
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Well, I always get California and California State mixed up as well. Same with Minnesota and Minnesota State; Maine and Maine State, etc., etc., etc. What the hell, don't you know how valuable their time is?
 
With the addition of the stolen votes from MSU the Lady Griz would still only be #30 and not quite crack the top 25.
 
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