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Lady Griz Basketball IQ

PlayerRep

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The Lady Griz have alot of players, veterans and rookies, who seem to have a high degree of basketball knowledge and intelligence. They also have considerable talent, but I've also noticed a huge number of smart plays, including nice anticipation, by multiple players this year.

The LG are good, will keep improving, and are fun to watch. I think they have a good chance of being a contender this year.
 
This is probably one of the best all-around LG teams that I've seen in the last decade (outside of '08 and '06 maybe, where the Morales/Rogers teams had 28 and 27 win seasons).

Robin Selvig always has his ladies playing hard and locking down on the defensive end, but this year the LG have shown some offensive potential. They have a lot of confident outside shooters but the main difference I've noticed from this year is the ball movement. Lots of good back-doors, drive-and-dishes, and just good vision/awareness that you mentioned.

A lot of the offense (and smart plays) start with Torry Hill but it helps to have a spread out offense that is a threat from deep. Hill always seems to stay composed and although mainly a distributor, seems unafraid and very aware of when her team needs her to shoot. She stays dialed-in after an opposing team's defensive rebound and while others are getting back she has forced numerous turnovers before they are able to start their fast-break.

Cole is hard to defend because she shoots a high percentage from outside but also is the most aggressive player on this team and with her size, is strong going to the rim. Sullivan with her height, hustle, and spot-up shooting might be one of the bigger matchup problems for opposing teams. Rickman is solid and Carly Selvig shows flashes of great play. McCalle Feller sometimes makes me nervous with her style of play but she is all hustle and has become a legitimate scoring threat this year. Sims has really impressed with her solid play down low and an almost automatic mid range jumper. Off the bench, Valley, Vining, and Doran all make solid contributions and play very mature for their youth. It's too bad that Doran has missed some action from injury and imagine if Shanae Gilham wasn't recovering from surgery this year.

All that being said, there have been a few frustrating, smack-the-head moments that have held this team back (mostly due to moments of careless passing or being in control with the ball):

-I didn't get to see the NDSU game so I don't know what happened there, other than it sounded like a poor shooting performance. (NDSU is currently 3-14...ouch, need that one back).

-Earlier gainst Temple, I left thinking the LG really let a quality win slip away. A veteren player not diving on the floor for a loose ball, a couple of passes that were either lazy or unaware of the defense, not fighting for some rebounds where the LG already had position, and unusual poor help side defense. (Temple is a good team (9-7, RPI of 41) and will probably finish in the top 5 of the AAC which currently has 3 Top25 teams in it, including #1 UConn).

-I only got to listen to the Wyoming game but it sounded like the LG just got beat by a very good team that got going offensively. (Wyoming is a good team at (11-3) but only a RPI of 110, right now).

-Against Sac State, the LG got frustrated late as Sac continued to be the aggressor on offense. Again, some bone-headed/fatigued passes but I don't know how many times I was almost yelling at my monitor to take the ball to the hole once the LG broke the press and had numbers with nobody on the ball. Anyway, maybe it wouldn't have mattered because in Sac's last two losses to SUU and PSU, both broke the press but then tended to pull the ball back out and slow down the frantic Sac defense. So, staying composed and dictating tempo seems to be the formula to beating Sac State. (Sac State is (11-3) after dropping 2 straight; has been in the Collegeinsider.com's Top 25 poll for at least 3 weeks, reaching as high as #13; latest RPI of 71, though they were at #29 earlier; and has wins over Oregon and St. Mary's, both top 50 RPI teams and St. Mary's is #6 currently in the mid-major poll).

-Last night against UND, it seemed like the LG didn't have their normal confidence from the get-go. In the first half, they had a couple of break-aways where they failed to capitalize because of errant passes or inability to finish a shot inside. In the 2nd half (even after building a good lead), they seemed to play tight when players started getting in foul trouble. There was a lack of ball movement and a tentative offense for the most part (outside Cole and Feller). The last couple of minutes, UND almost gave the game back to the LG with their sloppy possessions from the LG's pressure. But, there were also a few uncharacteristic turnovers late on the LG that prevented the LG from taking back the lead (being uncomposed and dribbling over-and-back as well as a few more bad passes or just not being strong with the ball). It would have really helped to have had Cole and Hill in at the end. Win that game and the LG would have been in a 3-way tie loss-wise for the BSC lead. (North Dakota is (11-4, RPI of 75) with at least a 1.5 game advantage over everyone else in the BSC; 3 of their losses have come to #13 Iowa State, (12-6) Minnesota by 2, and (14-5) Iowa who was ranked #21 at the time; currently #28 on Collegeinsider.com's poll...should move into the Top 25 if they win against MSU on Saturday).

Anyways, I agree that this LG team with its talent, height, athleticism, heart, leadership, and (for the most part) smart play is more than a good team (I know, going out on a limb :lol: ) and they are definitely still a contender to win the BSC. (North Dakota is undefeated still but they have MSU and @Sac State the next two games. And with the BSC being a pretty good women's basketball league, any team is a threat. Even ISU and WSU gave UND good games. Plus, the top teams still have to come to Dahlberg where the LG are pretty much unbeatable in BSC play).

Looking even further ahead to the NCAAs, the BSC rep should get a favorable seed (maybe 10-13 range) if someone is dominant the rest of the way and it is Sac State, UND, or LG. The strength of the conference fueled by some good OOC resumes and the LG close games the last two visits to the tourney against UCLA and Georgia should help.
 
And they still lost to a team tonight in Northern Colorado that the LG should have beaten by twenty points.

Besides which, MSU defeated the team the LG lost to in North Dakota 76 - 65. Big surprise. The LG lost by 5. Strange that the LG lost their two starting guards in Cole and Hill to fouls against ND while North Dakota has eight players 6'1" and taller; four 6'3" and over unto 6'4" & 6'5." One would have thought the LG Front Court would have fouled out, or had more fouls, before the guards would have. Being that it was like 23 to 12 in fouls called anyways, etc. And the LG really don't have that much of a height advantage over anyone. Really average comparatively at least to the BSC.
 
Ugh, must have jinxed them. I just rewatched the LG-UNC game on bigskytv...it was really frustrating because like Wyo said it was another game where the LG were very capable of winning and should have.

Once again, like at UND, the LG didn't seem their normal selves. But instead of seeming to play tight and tentative like they did against UND, it seemed more like the LG just weren't in the game mentally. Way too many turnovers, errors, and other missed opportunities like missing point blank shots. Most of the starters/veterans had off-nights, it seemed. Credit UNC's scrappy defense and timely shooting, though. It seemed like they were out-hustling the LG and just wanted the game more. (Although, it was hard to tell effort from body language since UNC's video feed was dark and grainy.) Even though the LG jumped out to a 13-2 advantage to open the game, it almost seemed like they were asleep or not into the game until the last 5 minutes of it.

In a week where the LG could have established themselves atop the league, they instead find themselves 2.5 games back. To add insult to injury, the top BSC teams RPI-wise (UND and Sac State) both dropped games, as well. While it helps the LG from a league standings point, it will hurt the BSC in the mid-major poll and the conference RPI will take a hit. It now seems unlikely that the BSC rep will get anything better than a 12 seed in the tourney, even if one of the three teams with good OOC resumes (Sac, UND, or LG) wins out. Which is too bad because I think both Sac State and the LG are more than capable of pulling upsets this year if they were to get favorable matchups like Georgia last year.
 
ranco said:
"...players, veterans and rookies..."

So veterans and rookies are not players?


My god, I may be the dumbest nitwit in the world but I understood what playerrep said and meant. obviously you have no comprehension.
 
TrueGriz said:
ranco said:
"...players, veterans and rookies..."

So veterans and rookies are not players?


My god, I may be the dumbest nitwit in the world but I understood what playerrep said and meant. obviously you have no comprehension.

Thx, TG. Good to see your name. I forget that some of the posters didn't attend college. Perhaps this would have helped them: "player--both veterans and rookies--"

I wonder if posters like ranco are able to understand texts and tweets, which are way more short-form than a site like egriz. It must make guys who don't understand sports or have any information, feel that they're contributing when they point out typos and grammar mistakes on the internet.
 
...that 14 year old must be back on your computer. So I'm the one that didn't attend college but you are the one that can't type.
 
ranco said:
...that 14 year old must be back on your computer. So I'm the one that didn't attend college but you are the one that can't type.
Lots of very fine people did not go to college and know more than many of those who did. I find your posts generally pretty good, but, for the most part, ignore those of the guy "who played the game" but relies upon insults and condescension to reinforce a somewhat sad obsession here. It is hard, admittedly to come to egriz these days because of the attitude of so many. I don't remember UM or Montana being what this board seems to be, more often than not, thankfully.
 
GrizLA said:
ranco said:
...that 14 year old must be back on your computer. So I'm the one that didn't attend college but you are the one that can't type.
Lots of very fine people did not go to college and know more than many of those who did. I find your posts generally pretty good, but, for the most part, ignore those of the guy "who played the game" but relies upon insults and condescension to reinforce a somewhat sad obsession here. It is hard, admittedly to come to egriz these days because of the attitude of so many. I don't remember UM or Montana being what this board seems to be, more often than not, thankfully.

If you paid more attention to my posts, you'd know alot more about UM athletics and sports in general. It's pretty funny seeing you of all people talk about insults and condescension, Mr. Pot.
 
Reminds me of what Boethius cited in his 'Consolatio' a while back. "The inferior can not rise up to the level of superiority, but the superior can lower themselves to the level of the inferior." Just saying.
 
WyomingGrizFan said:
Reminds me of what Boethius cited in his 'Consolatio' a while back. "The inferior can not rise up to the level of superiority, but the superior can lower themselves to the level of the inferior." Just saying.

So you are inferring that they are underachieving, much like the Yankees do quite often?
 
cclarkblues said:
WyomingGrizFan said:
Reminds me of what Boethius cited in his 'Consolatio' a while back. "The inferior can not rise up to the level of superiority, but the superior can lower themselves to the level of the inferior." Just saying.

So you are inferring that they are underachieving, much like the Yankees do quite often?

I dont belive that was in reference to the team....
 
grizfnz said:
cclarkblues said:
WyomingGrizFan said:
Reminds me of what Boethius cited in his 'Consolatio' a while back. "The inferior can not rise up to the level of superiority, but the superior can lower themselves to the level of the inferior." Just saying.

So you are inferring that they are underachieving, much like the Yankees do quite often?

I dont belive that was in reference to the team....


For real. I easily understood what 'PlayerRep' wrote as well.

Nothing against the team 'psyche' for a seemingly apparent underachieving. But heh, Eastern Washington was the preseason favorite and where are they? Are they underachieving as well? North Dakota was vastly overlooked and Sacramento State has a first year head coach. MSU is coming out of nowhere, as far as I'm concerned. MSU started last years' conference run like 8 and 1 and fell apart, even without injuries...I don't think they'll do that that again. So, getting back to the gist of the thread I'd say that the next four home games for the LG looks like it'll be turning point for the season. If the LG win all four it'll bold well for their BSC Tournament changes. Though, at present they still have a chance to get into the post-season, it doesn't look good for more than one game.
 
TrueGriz said:
ranco said:
"...players, veterans and rookies..."

So veterans and rookies are not players?


My god, I may be the dumbest nitwit in the world but I understood what playerrep said and meant. obviously you have no comprehension.

He probably never played the game.
 
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